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19241  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Multiple deposits to one Mt. Gox address on: August 26, 2011, 09:38:14 PM
why you selling on a low?
19242  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Value plummeting??! on: August 26, 2011, 09:03:53 PM
me too $6 but then back up to $12

LMAO BITCOIN FORCAST

i say for the weekend we will see, a low of 5.42$ a high of 8.95$, on monday afternoon it will be 8$, and then it will stay around 8$ all week, and then, for the weekend we will see, a low of 6.42$ a high of 9.95$, on monday afternoon it will be 8$, and then it will stay around 9$ all week, for the weekend we will see, a low of 7.42$ a high of 8.55$, on monday afternoon it will be 7$, and then it will stay around 7$ all week, for the weekend we will see, a low of 7.42$ a high of 10.95$, on monday afternoon it will be 9$, and then it will stay around 9$ all week
19243  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Value plummeting??! on: August 26, 2011, 08:53:32 PM
it is going to go back up. thats just what i have heard.
I bet it'll go down after that.

And then back up again afterward.  Wink

thats for sure, but as it gose up and down, is it generally going down or up?

i think its slowly going down... its been over valued for a long time.

i expect to see 6$ very soon
19244  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin store is moving merchandise! on: August 26, 2011, 08:47:06 PM
All sales added up on bitmart equal around $9,000 in a month.

It has slowed this month though.

very cool, BUT

what do JJGames and bitmart do with there coins?

this might be why we see crazy ups and DOWNS, at one point the store cashes out its bitcoins to buy more inventory
19245  Economy / Speculation / Re: Here we go again, another major price drop for bitcoins on: August 26, 2011, 08:39:54 PM
what bitcoin needs is Derivative!
19246  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Do we bring the value of BitCoins back up? on: August 26, 2011, 04:36:10 PM
I agree that if a small country started to use bitcoins then this would make a big difference. What stops that right now?

Well many small countries with serious money problems also have dire political situations that would prevent this. Lets put those aside.

Next many governments would not want to cede their currency to one they had no control over. After all you can always print more pound notes, or green backs if the economic situation gets bad, but what can you do with bitcoin? Nothing. So A country that already had any control over its finances could not or would not do this.

Lets imagine we have a country wanting to do this. HOW would they do it? First thing is how does the man in the street get coins? Normally introduction of a new currency is go to the bank and exchange iold currency for new one. That could work, but for many people lack of a physical embodiment would be an obstacle. I mean, for us netizens, its great we never look at a piece of paper, and want our money to be the same, but for your average sheep farmer who doesnt have a computer, much less understand the difference between hash and a random number how can it work?

Perhaps we need a physical currency built on bitcoin, as was discussed in these forums some while back. The idea here was that the actual coin contained a sealed hash that could be broken open and redeemed or could be exchanged still sealed. This is, of course exactly the same as a fiat currency, you are relying on the promise on the coin/note that there is a bitcoin behind it. Just like a Uk £5 note which has a promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of five pounds, once upon a time this was five pounds weight of silver.  Its a bit better than this because the promise can be verified and and "expert" could check if the coins really exist in the bitcoin chain. I'd say your average sheet farmer would be happy with that. But the problem here is that the cost of making the money would be high, would involve new, possibly unproven  and unfamiliar technologies. I mean look at the notes circulating in turkey, libiya or malasia. Some of these are so old and worn to be hardly reconisable.  The physical bitcoin must be tough!!

Is this possible? I do not know.




the best way would be to make a physical currency backed by bitcoin..

the government prints bills, no sealed hash none of that shit ... the bill only comes with a promise, that it can be exchanged at their local public bank for bitcoins.

the bills are cheep to produce
the bills have value because they are backed by bitcoin
more bills are printed only if the country buys more bitcoins.
removing the private bank and replacing it with a public bank.

money controlled by its government, not by greedy poeple who do not give a F%^K





19247  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Value plummeting??! on: August 26, 2011, 04:14:33 PM
It's more profitable to buy and sell coins then it is to mine them.You buy at 6-7 dollars that drives the price back up then sell at 11-12 dollars and that drives the price back down and you keep doing it over and over

actually best thing to do is buy and hold for years
19248  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Do we bring the value of BitCoins back up? on: August 25, 2011, 09:44:09 PM
Buy some SCs with BTC, then when SCs has 100%+ more value, sell them for BTC ;-)

SCs?
19249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Do we bring the value of BitCoins back up? on: August 25, 2011, 09:36:15 PM
we need to THINK BIG
19250  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How Do we bring the value of BitCoins back up? on: August 25, 2011, 09:33:14 PM
Its not easy...
1) More poeple have to use bitcoins (buy stuff with bitcoins and then buy back bitcoins)
2) More sites have to accept, there are lost of site now a days... but there's still a BIG problem... these sites will accept bitcoins and then SELL the bitcoins they make right away, they need to do this to buy more supply for there sites since the suppliers they deal with DO NOT use bitcoins.

we need this situation in all bitcoin markets:

customer buys stuff with bitcoin
the bitcoin store buys its supply with bitcoins
the supplier pays employee in bitcoin!
this way the bitcoins are never sold for USD (or wtv) and they are never bought with $, they are earned from work.


if just 1 small county uses this currency... bitcoins will be worth a hell of a lot, of course you'd need to do a full days work to earn 1 BTC.

The the first county to do this switch will be fucking rich, because as more counties join in the value just keeps going up!

if a country uses nothing but bitcoins... they actually have a fighting change at paying back the loans from the banks!

if i was in power of a small country i would take a 1 billion $ loan from the bank to setup the infrastructure needed to use only bitcoins.
and then slowly pay back the loans.

the banks loan every dollar at interest!
bitcoins only cost what they are worth!

wake up and smell the bitcoins!
19251  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bypassing the blockchain on: August 24, 2011, 06:24:51 PM
why do you have to be 100% untraceable anyway?? are you planning doing the next big hack?Tongue
19252  Economy / Speculation / Re: "[Fact] The Market is Going to Rise Tomorrow." on: August 19, 2011, 08:35:46 PM
Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC just started today.. good press has alway had a drematic impact on price
19253  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Coming Very Soon, a real Bitcoin you can hold! (and is worth 1 BTC) on: August 19, 2011, 07:34:39 PM
what happens once the Value from the coin is redeemed and used?

dose the coin self-destruct?  

maybe there should be no key on the coin at all!
only a promises that if you send back the coin(s), you can exchange them to what ever currency you want.
when the coin is sent back to you, you'll pay them and sell the coin again.

having "no longer valid coins" in the system is kinda sucks.

my 2 bitcents
19254  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bounty for the MyBitcoin.com hacker (~25BTC) on: August 08, 2011, 03:29:52 PM
WE SHOULD KILL THIS THREAD....
19255  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How To Automate Bitcoin Payments For Website Sales?? on: August 08, 2011, 03:22:54 AM
all considered i will go for the BitcoinNotify.com system

but i will handle it in a way that i can't get burnt

BitcoinNotify.com will send me a notification that a payment was sent.

with that information i can tell the customer that his order has went through and is now being processed

i can then check my wallet b4 i ship the item. (i think i would do this even if BitcoinNotify.com was 100% secure)

99.9% of the customer will have infact sent me the moeny

0.01% of the time i will e-mail the hacker explaining that he has to actually send me the funds b4 i send the item.

i can prove that the payment was not send by looking the block chain.

...

i will also consider using this http://walletbit.com


19256  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: mybitcoin assetts not correct - with proof on: August 08, 2011, 02:55:37 AM
It is a complete lie. We DO know that they likely lost everything in holding, if things were as he'd want them to seem. However, people haven't seen Bitcoins move from their deposit address, when they should have been sent to either the hacker or cold storage. Under no circumstance would it have made sense that they didn't move, unless this was all a hoax to appear like they were hacked so that they could force everyone to remove their funds, allowing them to blend in during the mass-withdrawal to make off with half the coins.

guilty until proven ..... guilty ?
19257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How To Automate Bitcoin Payments For Website Sales?? on: August 08, 2011, 02:53:41 AM

Bit-pay is now available to businesses in the United States Sad

I'm from canada and want to price in btc and CND$
19258  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How To Automate Bitcoin Payments For Website Sales?? on: August 07, 2011, 02:18:22 PM
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you could try reading the api documentation for liberty reserve, alertpay, etc for security ideas.


BitcoinNotify.com please rework your idea, in light of the issues presented

i think your on the right track with the idea that you don't hold the coins you simply tell me when they have arrived

once you can solve the fake IP problem i think we will be set.

maybe if my site it self went and checked the block chain data, then i would only have to trust my self....

interesting...
19259  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How To Automate Bitcoin Payments For Website Sales?? on: August 07, 2011, 02:06:30 PM
I thought Josh was talking about the fact that the only authorization is your IP address:

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All HTTP notifications are sent with the POST method from the IP 46.4.90.208.

You should check the request IP in your controller to ensure the notification actually comes from us.
...
Quote

Someone might be able to forge a 'payment sent' request to your user's website by simple spoofing your IP address since it appears there is no authentication or token or anything sent in the POST request itself to prevent a fake payment acknowledgement.

An IP address spoofing explanation is here:
http://www.shaadiya.com/ask/2007/06/15/how-to-spoof-ip-address-hackers-view-and-the-way-to-protect-sites-with-this-fake/

If I could spoof your address I could send fake payment acknowledgements to all your users.

But, I'll be honest, I only took a quick look at your docs and I don't know your system nor have I tried it yet so maybe I'm just blowing smoke out my ass.

But if I'm right, you should probably fix that.



issues worth noting.

any ideas on how to fix this issues?

maybe you could send me an encrypted password along with the other information.
on my side once i can check the password and know its not a fake


19260  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How To Automate Bitcoin Payments For Website Sales?? on: August 07, 2011, 11:39:16 AM

This is the best solution!

it works so well  and so simple to use, i was able to sign up and use there test notification in minutes

and it seems to me a very secure, no need to trust anyone!

wow



This is EXACTLY the kind of mistake I'm talking about. That service is not providing anything you can't easily do with a bitcoind. And it's opening you up to a HUGE security hole. Don't know that that hole is? Then that is exactly why you should not be using third party solutions.  At least one security hole on this site is easy to identify, but that is not true of most 3rd party sites.  You'll never know all the security liabilities.  With bitcoind you know what you're getting into, and it just isn't that much harder to do a json request then to get a post notification from a 3rd party site.

Tell me why are you trying to avoid using the proper API?  You just don't want to read the manual? Reading the manual and learning how bitcoin works is a small price to pay for the security and reliability it can offer if used properly.

what is the security hole?

to me the worst that can happen is BitcoinNotify goes down and the payment notification is only sent when they come back up?
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