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Man,
Acredito que não dá para algo assim ser implementado no atual Bitcoin blockchain... Pois, pelo que eu lí por aí, tem coisas que não dá para mudar, tem que fazer outra gênese (novo blockchain).
Teria que ser um outro blockchain, paralelo a esse, como o Solidcoin o é.
Você tem certeza que dá para implementar isso no atual Bitcoin blockchain se necessário?!?
Valeu!!
Thiago
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Firmeza! Eu também não sabia que os Russos tinham este tal de webmoney... Muito legal!! Eles são fodas! lol AssemblY, vamos ajudar a aumentar os MHash dos nossos conterrâneos?!? Não se esqueça, no Brasil TUDO é mais caro mas, temos o Paraguai! For God's sake!  Vou vender o meu Segway e dar um pulo lá para comprar umas 5870! Quem manja do PY? Nunca fui lá! Vamos!?! Também estou terminando de montar os guias para os garimpeiros novatos. Guias de equipamento (hardware) e Ubuntu (software)... Também penso em entrar em contato com o pessoal da Economia Solidaria, e dizer para eles esquecerem das Moedas Sociais, como o "Palmas", e passarem a usar Bitcoins! Imagine que cada comunidade pode ter um mining rig interno e, ajudaríamos eles a montarem "Bancos Sociais de Bitcoins", no esquema da lei islâmica, ou seja, realizando empréstimos sem juros, entre outras coisas... Alguém quer comprar um Segway!? kkkk http://veiculo.mercadolivre.com.br/MLB-198224942-segway-x2-modelo-cross-veiculo-eletrico-usado-_JMAbx! Thiago |
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Caros, Apenas uma única suposta feature do mais novo blockchain, chamado Solidcoin me chamou a atenção, é ela: http://solidcoin.info/five-reasons-to-own-solidcoins.php"Reason 2 - Security Most people are unaware that Bitcoin is vulnerable to a drop off in mining power, the recent failure of Ixcoins proved this perfectly. People holding IXCoins could barely transfer them or do anything with them. Bitcoin is vulnerable to the exact same thing, if too many miners drop off (for instance to mine SolidCoins) the entire network could collapse leaving people with no way to get their Bitcoins out or do anything with them. SolidCoin's new and intelligent algorithm ensures that even if miners drop off, the network continues to function smoothly. This is something businesses and users demand, utmost reliability they can move their coins around. Tomorrow you could wake up and not be able to do anything with your Bitcoins, leaving you at high risk of losing most of your investment." A minha grande questão é: ISSO É VERDADE?! O Solidcoin é mesmo SEGURO sem NENHUM garimpeiro "cuidando" do blockchain?!?!? Quero dizer, eu sei que se algum pool de Bitcoin ou alguma entidade qualquer, conseguir mais de 51% da capacidade computacional da rede, poderá incluir transações falsas no blockchain e que, se um dia, os garimpeiros abandonarem a rede Bitcoin por qualquer motivo, por exemplo, se ao atingirmos 21 milhões de Bitcoins garimpados e os fees (taxas de transações) não forem lucrativas, os garimpeiros vão embora e o Bitcoin já era! Mas, se for verdade que o Solidcoin é mesmo seguro quanto a isso, porque raios é que o Bitcoin já não surgiu com esta feature de primeira?!?!? Pois isso é de extrema importância!! E, se o Solidcoin fez em poucos meses, o Bitcoin poderia ter feito isso também. Eu não ligo para nenhuma das outras 4 razões, porém, este é um grande diferencial do Solidcoin, se for de fato, real. O que vocês tem a dizer sobre isso?! Valeu! Thiago |
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hahaha!
Tu reparou que os russos são os primeiros da lista de times do Deepbit?!?! O maior garimpo de bitcoins do mundo é Russo rapá!!
Por que será hein?!?!
Os caras já são os mestres no xadrês, construiram uma nave espacial como a Souyz, que deixa qualquer coisa da NASA no CHINELO... Se eles estão apostando assim nos Bitcoins meu amigo, pode ter certeza de que o trem á baum sô!!
Quem estiver no Deepbit, não deixe de entrar no time "Brasil" com "S"!!
Eu resolvi sair do BTCGuild, pois com 2400MHash que tenho hoje, o BTCGuild estava rendendo na última semana entre 0.90 e 1.03 BTCs por dia... E no deepbit pulou para 1.17, 1.28 com os mesmos MHash...
Abraços!
Thiago
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Vixe!
Não fala isso não cara!!
Eu estou aqui torcendo para que o Solidcoin vingue!!
E que a dificuldade no Garimpo de Bitcoins permaneça estável por 6 meses pelo menos, ou diminua mais um pouco!
Valeu!
Thiago
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Amigos, Vejam que massa! Economia do futuro: dinheiro virtual quer virar dinheiro vivo: http://www.inovacaotecnologica.com.br/noticias/noticia.php?artigo=economia-futuro-dinheiro-virtual Foi aqui que conheci os Bitcoins a poucos meses atrás... Gosto do termo " garimpar" ao invéz de " minerar" devido a este site!! O que vocês acham?! Lembram da Serra Pelada?! Que garimparam todo o ouro de lá!?!? Então, mais da metade do ouro chamado Bitcoin, ainda está lá dentro da montanha!!! Que comecem o Garimpo de Bitcoins!!  Abx! Thiago |
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De longe a única matéria brasileira de qualidade citando o bitcoin. Realmente merece elogios.
A Veja fez uma matéria que mais parece ter saído de um blog escrito por um ex desempregado - abandonado e esquecido pelo conteúdo cacofônico do autor antes de encontrar alguma ocupação.
Ler algo de qualidade produzido pela mídia brasileira não é regra... é exceção.
Eu conheci os Bitcoins, lendo uma matéria brasileira, no dia 15/06... Até hoje é a mais legal que eu lí!! Vejam; Economia do futuro: dinheiro virtual quer virar dinheiro vivo: http://www.inovacaotecnologica.com.br/noticias/noticia.php?artigo=economia-futuro-dinheiro-virtualAbx! Thiago |
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Pessoal...
Cada um tem o direito de pedir o que quiser! Não é mesmo?!
No Câmbio de Bitcoins, por exemplo, que é baseado no Intersango, as pessoas podem vender Reais por Bitcoins, por exemplo...
Se alguém depositar, digamos, R$100,00 lá e oferecer:
Tenho R$100,00 e quero ฿12,00... Tudo bem... Quem quiser vender, que venda!
A propósito, a dificuldade diminuiu mais uma vez!!
A galera está se iludindo com IXCoin, I0Coin, Solidcoin e etc ou, estão indo embora mesmo?!!?
Relax amigos!
Abx,
Thiago
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solution is banal: create new bitcoin services and invite people from outside the forum to use them
Absolutely right! When Bitcoin become more useful, the price in dollars will increase. If people think in Bitcoin as a investment, the price will drop, because the Bitcoins will be only on wallets... Bitcoins is a currency, so, the coins needs to be in circulation. The transactions are slowing down... Right!? This isn't a good thing!! Take a look here: http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/38392/?p1=Mag_story0Bitcoins is not a investment! So, more people using Bitcoins, better is. Think about it! Thiago |
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run: solidcoin-linux32-102 open: Settings - > Your receiving address -> Ok -> CRASH Segmentation fault |
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One thing is great about Bitcoin forks... Plurality!
More is better! So we do not put all the eggs on the same basket...
I'm still mining for Bitcoins and I do not want to change this but... I like the idea of another e-currencies out there...
BTW, Bitcoins isn't a investiment!! IT IS A CURRENCY!!! SO, come one guys, open your wallets! Buy things, let the coins in a free circulation!!! :-P
Anyway, there is a lot more room for improvement in Bitcoin client, the Bitcoin source code needs more and more good hands on it. And we need some kind of eVote, eDemocracy or ePoll, to decide the future of Bitcoin. Not only the coders should decide everything, every detail... Regular people must participate!
VIVA LA REVOLUCIÓN!!
Cheers!
Thiago
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If anyone really wants to make a viable replacement for Bitcoin, ping me. I'm not interested in doing it myself, but I can provide multiple improvement ideas, and possibly some brainstorming.
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Okay,
Concordo que devemos manter simples... Vocês tem razão...
Peço desculpas pela demora em responder a todos, esta semana consegui outro emprego, agora tenho dois... Está uma verdadeira batalha andar ~25Km por dia em São Paulo... Sem contar as mil tarefas na fila e trabalhos voluntários que eu faço (Projeto Venus) e os estudos sobre o novo mundo chamado Bitcoin...
Bom, eu demorei um tanto também por conta de ficar procurando que nem um doido aonde configurar isso no forum e, descobri que não tenho permissão para tal... Preciso, como moderador, pedir ao theymos para que ele crie o que precisarmos.
Bom, só para fechar, vou pedir para que ele crie os seguintes sub-forums:
Economia, Mercado, Garimpo, Suporte e Desenvolvimento.
Todos de acordo?!
Com o passar do tempo, vamos elaborando melhor ou, criando tópicos estáticos nos respectivos sub-forums com as explicações mais elaboradas para quem desejar se aprofundar no assunto.
Por exemplo, o que eu sugeri para o sub-forum de "Mercado de Bitcoins" como sendo algo do tipo:
3.1- Bens e Serviços
3.2- Casas de Câmbio
3.3- "Banco" de Bitcoins
...Poderá se transformar em 3 tópicos estáticos dentro do único sub-forum "Mercado"...
Melhor, náo é mesmo!?
Att,
Thiago
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How about instead of people creating useless copies of the bitcoin currency, such as l0coin, people take a look at how bitcoin can be improved. There may not be much room for bitcoin 2.0, but any future p2p currency will have to significantly improve on bitcoin.
Here is one such idea - just an example. How do you recover lost bitcoins to prevent the eventual death of bitcoin in a generation or two? What about creating a coin system where coins that have sat inactive for over a year become mine-able again. That way, if someone stops moving their bitcoins around annually, they lose them. This would not only keep the currency alive after all the original players have died, but will encourage people to spend the coins everytime they are "renewed".
Don't just start creating bitcoin clones that are essentially scams doomed to fail.
Bitcoin 1.0 can be much better... Bitcoin 2.0... Can be awesome! If we talk less and do more... Best! Thiago |
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I'm ignoring the parasitic and sociopathic rantings and going back to the topic.
We should focus on improving the bitcoin client so the non-geek population can use it. I suggest strong encryption of wallet.dat as a start as there are already trojans in the wild that steal this file. Also some very easy way to make encrypted wallet backups should be provided. Encrypting the wallet isn't as easy as it sounds as you have to protect from keyboard sniffers as well as rouge programs with filesystem access.
We could also use some easy way to handle bitcoin addresses. It would be really nice if I could send BTC to a name I can actually remember and write down. I suggest storing these addresses in DNS ( using DNSSEC for security ) so we could use addresses like sd.name.bit or sd.mycompany.com instead of the awkward internal addresses we use now.
We also need unitex or something like it to allow people to change local currency to BTC and back again quickly and hopefully cheaply. BTC won't really be mainstream until it can be conveniently converted to other things.
There are already have a number of sites offering products and services for BTC. These will develop and mature over time bringing more people into BTC.
Agree! Bitcoin 1.0 can be much better! And Bitcoin 2.0 will be awesome! If we talk less and do more. |
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In my opinion, aside from it being incredibly obvious that all these alternative cryptocurrencies are made with the sole intention of making their creators rich (jealous of Satoshi much?), I think you guys should stick with one digital cryptocurrency, max. Given its relatively short life-span and the number of unresolved problems associated with it, we can't even call Bitcoin a success yet, although I'm sure those who have profited significantly would be quick to call Bitcoin a success. At least, it's not a success when compared to fiat currency which has its security and economy in tact.
Sometimes I wonder how often the members of this community realize how much they marginalize their selves. Everyone's clients/miners/exchanges are ridiculously difficult to use for the average person, and if these issues still exist with the Google of digital cryptocurrencies (i.e. Bitcoin), how do you expect these other silly currencies with dumb names to work (town coin? GTFO)?
I think all these cryptocurrencies give the Bitcoin community a bad name. I think it perpetuates the 'geekiness' of Bitcoin -- imagine the average joe coming on here and then reading about namecoin, solid coin, IOcoin, selfish coin, nerd coin, haven't-gotten-laid-since-2009-coin...all these currencies give the impression we're all just a bunch of greedy fucks with no long-term vision of communal success. If people put half as much time into stimulating the Bitcoin economy as they did devilishly programming their own cryptocurrency code, maybe at least one of these currencies would have a shot (again, i.e. Bitcoin).
Quit marginalizing the community. Bitcoin is the only one that has a shot at mainstream popularity, so quit marginalizing the community with all this nerd crap like alternative cryptocurrencies, the word "troll" (Jesus Christ I hate when people say troll, and grandma does too), ridiculous clients and miners, etc. People like simplicity. This complexity isn't cool. It's chilly. And chilly ain't never been cool.
You're making the very wrong assumption that people actually give a shit about Bitcoin or crypto-currency in the first place. A very large majority of the people involved in BTC, IXC, IOC, NMC and SC, like myself are here for the profit and nothing more. I will continue to hit every "Crypto- Currency of the Week" coin full force at low difficulty and then sell it like crack to idiots that buy it at Double C's ever adapting exchange!!!! Looking forward to the next one! BTC was doomed before it launched, just like any of the crypto-currencies it suffers from NEVER being able to have instant transactions. Without instant transactions BTC will never become mainstream. It may very well exist as it does now to be a favorite amongst the Drug Dealers, Con Artist and "Geeks". But it a'int ever going to see use by Johnny Q. Public. Peace, That's exactly why the world is what is today. A huuuuge shit! Bitcoin is here to make this world a better place. People who just think in profit no matter what the cost does not deserve to live. They are just suckers. Like vampires of society... Anyway, each one has its own awareness... You are not wrong in search for profit... But this is some kind of addic... We are all victims of this subculture that we live today. A new world will born... Soon! A world where there is no money, no hungry people, no profit, no interest, no banks, no govs, no wars, no homeless people... Fully automated... Open source and democratic... Don't live only for profit. This looks like a religion! Uuuurgh!! Best! Thiago |
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I wasn't there during the first trades but someone must have only bought or sold a few at .49 BTC most likely to themselves. Do you even know what .49 would mean? It would mean I would have made over 100 BTC in the last 12 hours with only 2 cards. Even at .0014 and the current difficulty it's still about twice as profitable as bitcoin. IXcoin is at .001 and difficulty is 16384. That's nothing. IXcoin is worthless now. I'm sure solidcoin is not far behind and headed in that direction but as of now its definately more profitable than bitcoin.
What I do not understand is: Who are the idiots trading btc for these stupidcoins? What does that say about a small part of the community who has btc in their possession? yikes. Let me help you with that: most users don't give a fuck about bitcoin,ixcoin,i0coin, etc or about descentralized, anonymous claims. You know why ? Because it's all bullshit! None of the above currency is descentralized or anonymous, or you can consider them as anonymous as the internet is, which we know is not as anonymous as we would like. So, the point is that most of us are here just for the money. Oh, and if I were to earn money from it, I think I would trade any coin is out there. Cheers! Well, no. I'm here, with Bitcoins, not because of what you just said. But instead, because Bitcoins are a awesome power tool against banks and govs. I even don't like money! Honestly, I prefer a society based in a "resource based economy", not monetary based, without any money. Cheers! Thiago |
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Caro, Só para testar, instale o "ctags" com o comando: sudo aptitude install exuberant-ctags E tenta rodar o "make" novamente... De dentro do mesmo diretório... Vou preparar um novo guia para o garimpo de bitcoins em Ubuntu... O deste camarada não é o melhor que podemos conseguir com o Ubuntu... Mas este erro não poderia acontecer... Talvez eu tenha passado por este erro na sexta-feira, ou parecido, e postei aqui: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=7514.msg468509#msg468509 Veja se te ajuda... Qualquer coisa, posso fornecer os meus pacotes já pré-compilados e com os downloads em cache local... O que eu fiz para prosseguir com o meu novo Mining Rig foi copiar todo o /home de um outro Linux, para este novo e rodar o "make install" logo de uma vez... Posso providenciar um /home pronto para quem quiser... Caso não consigam solucionar este problema... Att, Thiago |
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Download solidcoind.x86-32 for Linux, open but no GUI appear... The client appears to be running...
This SolidCoin is reeeeally serious!?
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Guys! Pyopencl fails to install, look: martinx@garimpeiro-4:~/pyopencl-0.92$ sudo make install
ctags -R src || true
/bin/sh: ctags: not found
/usr/bin/python setup.py install
running install
install_dir /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/
Checking .pth file support in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/
/usr/bin/python -E -c pass
TEST PASSED: /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ appears to support .pth files
running bdist_egg
running egg_info
writing requirements to pyopencl.egg-info/requires.txt
writing pyopencl.egg-info/PKG-INFO
writing top-level names to pyopencl.egg-info/top_level.txt
writing dependency_links to pyopencl.egg-info/dependency_links.txt
reading manifest file 'pyopencl.egg-info/SOURCES.txt'
reading manifest template 'MANIFEST.in'
writing manifest file 'pyopencl.egg-info/SOURCES.txt'
installing library code to build/bdist.linux-i686/egg
running install_lib
running build_py
running build_ext
creating build/bdist.linux-i686/egg
creating build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/elementwise.py -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/array.py -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/version.py -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/clmath.py -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/__init__.py -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/_cl.so -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/tools.py -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
copying build/lib.linux-i686-2.7/pyopencl/clrandom.py -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/elementwise.py to elementwise.pyc
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/array.py to array.pyc
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/version.py to version.pyc
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/clmath.py to clmath.pyc
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/__init__.py to __init__.pyc
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/tools.py to tools.pyc
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/clrandom.py to clrandom.pyc
creating stub loader for pyopencl/_cl.so
byte-compiling build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/pyopencl/_cl.py to _cl.pyc
creating build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/EGG-INFO
copying pyopencl.egg-info/PKG-INFO -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/EGG-INFO
copying pyopencl.egg-info/SOURCES.txt -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/EGG-INFO
copying pyopencl.egg-info/dependency_links.txt -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/EGG-INFO
copying pyopencl.egg-info/requires.txt -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/EGG-INFO
copying pyopencl.egg-info/top_level.txt -> build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/EGG-INFO
writing build/bdist.linux-i686/egg/EGG-INFO/native_libs.txt
zip_safe flag not set; analyzing archive contents...
creating 'dist/pyopencl-0.92-py2.7-linux-i686.egg' and adding 'build/bdist.linux-i686/egg' to it
removing 'build/bdist.linux-i686/egg' (and everything under it)
Processing pyopencl-0.92-py2.7-linux-i686.egg
removing '/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyopencl-0.92-py2.7-linux-i686.egg' (and everything under it)
creating /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyopencl-0.92-py2.7-linux-i686.egg
Extracting pyopencl-0.92-py2.7-linux-i686.egg to /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages
pyopencl 0.92 is already the active version in easy-install.pth
Installed /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyopencl-0.92-py2.7-linux-i686.egg
Processing dependencies for pyopencl==0.92
Searching for decorator>=3.2.0
Reading http://pypi.python.org/simple/decorator/
No local packages or download links found for decorator>=3.2.0
error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('decorator>=3.2.0')
make: *** [install] Error 1
At the site http://pypi.python.org/simple/decorator/ there is only decorator-3.3.1.tar.gz!! This is happening with somebody!? To temporally workaround this issue, I just copy a "pre-compiled" pyopencl from my other rig to this one and the "make install" works! But for a brand new installation, this does not work anymore... Anyway, I'll try to compile this again in a new server next week. Thanks! Thiago |
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