[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[spawny57]

c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.

card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency

Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc.  

One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already.

That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front.

seriously your all the same fudders and nothing is ever good for you , we vericoin "cheerleader" are loving this and understand what this means for vericoin moving forward... good for wtv other coin is doing the same...

please now vericoin is getting serious and were looking good for getting reg folk to use vericoin cc..PLEASE WE NEED A MODERATED THREAD.. we don't need to scroll through 4 pages of nonsense from the same fudders all the time  ..

Indeed. Vericoin NEEDS a moderated thread. Sick of those well known FUDers (and go away with your "constructive critisism")

[altcoinUK]

c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.

card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency

Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc.  

One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already.

That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front.

Thanks for the info, I did not know that. I did google green address and what do i see ? multiple articles on the tech. As for start ups I saw none. Is anyone marketing this ?

It's not a marketing theme. It is a terminology for a payment method to perform instant bitcoin transactions. Actually you could have a timed transaction on the green address to perform transaction in a trustless manner, without relying on a centralized third party. As you know the bitcoin blockchain and transaction processing is not suitable for instant transactions, and therefore the green address is one option to overcome on that shortcoming.

Better to admit vericoin won't be able to compete with BTC, forget the lame ideas like Veribit and Vericoin VISA card and start the actual work in some other area.

[Kevondo]

Also when people start using the card, the circulation will be much greater!

I have mentioned on other media sources that

The "VeriCard" agreement with coinsis IS NOT! an exclusive arrangement.

BTC Card is functioning ( to some Degree, I just created an account minutes ago. I'll keep you posted)

Black Coin will also have a Card by coinsis

These 3 coins , VeriCoin, BTC, and Blackcoin are the only ones I'm aware of that will have a card supported by coinsis at this time

coinsis can sign any other coins they might want to

To be one of the first three coins to be selected by a third party developer is significant for VeriCoin. IMO

[xtent]

You do realize this is not big news, right?
Multiple coins have signed on for this.

Multiple? Only BC as altcoin....

If only VRC & BC Worked together

Also BTCD are going through them.

Do you have the link for me?

I don't remember what page it was brought up on, I do know it was not a drawn out spectacle.
It is mentioned on the ANN here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=684090.0

Thanks for the link, seems interesting!

If you have the time, it is good to read through.
The dev is very active and there are some serious features being worked on.

[ereborltc]

With VeriBit, VeriSMS and soon VeriCard, it's not where can you use Vericoin.  It's where can't you. www.vericoin.info

let the haters hate and complain.. you can do anything for vrc and they will still try and fud... MODERATED THREAD!! plz  its time now where way along and serious investors need a place to talk seriously.. ppl are too busy answereing these kids... it litters the thread.. i never had a hater ever lol but i got one here cause i like the news and vericoin... its become too much now

think we should vote for a moderated thread so we can leave the fudders to play alone in their sandbox

[Shinraven]

c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.

card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency

Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc.  

One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already.

That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front.

seriously your all the same fudders and nothing is ever good for you , we vericoin "cheerleader" are loving this and understand what this means for vericoin moving forward... good for wtv other coin is doing the same...

please now vericoin is getting serious and were looking good for getting reg folk to use vericoin cc..PLEASE WE NEED A MODERATED THREAD.. we don't need to scroll through 4 pages of nonsense from the same fudders all the time  ..

WTF, are you all right? LoL

He asked how can one pay with BTC at a gas station and I answered.

It's not my fault that the delusional worldwide mass adoption plan doesn't make sense because there are technologies that make possible BTC worldwide mass adoption, so vericoin has no chance at all in that area.

thanks for the info, whomever is implementing and marketing this tech is doing a horrible job. first page on Google i get a wiki. I dont see companies, Startups, blogs.. so explain to me how regular joe/jane public would know of this.  

I am sure since you are so hyped up on it, it must be valid. it is not that i am delusional, I seek knowledge. At the same time I have to see the practical aspects and real world applications. Not some wiki or Btc paper.

Honestly this is the one of the major hurdle that crypto faces. All this advanced tech which geeks fully grasp and the average person will just look at it and wont get it. Do you think most people understand how the products that Apple or Google create work ? They don't care, they use them because the human/computer interface is easy and allow them to have practical applications.

I am sure the tech you mention is fine and works. I will look more into it as well as more info on Blockchain 2.0

[buy4crypto]

Also when people start using the card, the circulation will be much greater!

I have mentioned on other media sources that

The "VeriCard" agreement with coinsis IS NOT! an exclusive arrangement.

BTC Card is functioning ( to some Degree, I just created an account minutes ago. I'll keep you posted)

Black Coin will also have a Card by coinsis

These 3 coins , VeriCoin, BTC, and Blackcoin are the only ones I'm aware of that will have a card supported by coinsis at this time

coinsis can sign an other coins they might want to

To be one of the first three coins to be selected by a third party developer is significant for VeriCoin. IMO

Doug mentioned it was a community member who made the card. This is why vericoin was selected. We may never know what the deal means to vericoin, what vericoin had to give, if anything, and what benefits, if any we get. or the developers get, who acted on the coins behalf. Nobody seems to be able to answer a few quick questions relating to the deal. =/

[rubenaco]

I also think we need the automoderated thread.

internet is full of trolls and never grow any currency if we ignore this rabble.

if these people had been at the beginning of btc, most would be crying now.

I'm not very active in the community since I do not have much English level although I am aware of the news and trust that vericoin becomes a currency of "everyday"

veribank the idea I like ... not because it has not been given much hype.

Greetings to all and hope that developers make a strong community because it appears that you have knowledge.

Greetings

[Kevondo]

This is another step forward for VRC and other altcoins, but I'm surprised no one has asked the most obvious question yet.

What are the fees of this card?

This will ultimately determine if anyone will use it or not.

I have addressed that question on www.vrcradio.com today @ 10 AM EST

tune-in and catch the replay.

here's a recent article you folks might find interesting. Comments?


http://www.infowars.com/whistleblower-fed-highly-alarmed-about-bitcoin-conquering-dollar-system/

[ereborltc]

I also think we need the automoderated thread.

internet is full of trolls and never grow nnguna currency if we ignore this rabble.

if these people had been at the beginning of btc, most would be crying now.

I'm not very active in the community since I do not have much English level although I am aware of the news and trust that vericoin becomes a currency of "everyday"

veribank the idea I like ... not because it has not been given much hype.

Greetings to all and hope that developers make a strong community because it appears that you have knowledge.

Greetings

its nice to see positive words

[ereborltc]

and wait for it... while the fudders are writing their 10 paragraphs of fud lolololol  in 5.... 4.... 3... 2....1....

[altcoinUK]

c'mon guys.. one step at a time.. devs can't be doing everything at once.. we are lucky they are still here and haven't run away.. look at P&D coins.. it took bitcoin 3+ years to get where it was.

card is great IMHO.. it will help in the mass adoption.. for starters anyway - for people who are too lazy to learn the technical side of digital currency

Now please explain to me how BTC by itself is practical for me to pay for gas, buy a cup of coffee etc.  

One well known option is green addresses with instant BTC transactions. There are multiple start-ups with backed by VC investment do that already.

That's one of the problems here, you and the "supporters" have very little idea about the technology and general crypto and believe the crap about worldwide mass adoption, that VRC can compete with BTC on that front.

seriously your all the same fudders and nothing is ever good for you , we vericoin "cheerleader" are loving this and understand what this means for vericoin moving forward... good for wtv other coin is doing the same...

please now vericoin is getting serious and were looking good for getting reg folk to use vericoin cc..PLEASE WE NEED A MODERATED THREAD.. we don't need to scroll through 4 pages of nonsense from the same fudders all the time  ..

WTF, are you all right? LoL

He asked how can one pay with BTC at a gas station and I answered.

It's not my fault that the delusional worldwide mass adoption plan doesn't make sense because there are technologies that make possible BTC worldwide mass adoption, so vericoin has no chance at all in that area.

thanks for the info, whomever is implementing and marketing this tech is doing a horrible job. first page on Google i get a wiki. I dont see companies, Startups, blogs.. so explain to me how regular joe/jane public would know of this.  

I am sure since you are so hyped up on it, it must be valid. it is not that i am delusional, I seek knowledge. At the same time I have to see the practical aspects and real world applications. Not some wiki or Btc paper.

Honestly this is the one of the major hurdle that crypto faces. All this advanced tech which geeks fully grasp and the average person will just look at it and wont get it. Do you think most people understand how the products that Apple or Google create work ? They don't care, they use them because the human/computer interface is easy and allow them to have practical applications.

I am sure the tech you mention is fine and works. I will look more into it as well as more info on Blockchain 2.0

No problem and good luck with your research.

There are growing implementations and start-ups for green address type of things. One that support instant BTC transactions is https://greenaddress.it

You asked about instant transaction and that's why I mentioned the green address concept, and pointed out that the instant feature is not good enough unique selling point against BTC.

Yes, you re right, for mass adoption crypto needs to be more easy to use for the average user.

[altcoinUK]

...  and understand what this means for vericoin moving forward...

You don't understand it and this credit card isn't going to move the coin forward - as you can see that clearly from depressed market reaction. This VISA card will be used by only bag holders and fanboys, maximum 100 users worldwide. The delusional worldwide mass adoption theme will be not progressing with this card.

The worldwide mass adoption theme would benefit more from an agreement with the Massai tribe in Kenya to use vericoin in goat trade - that's how lame this credit card idea is.

[eiskalt]

Hi guys,

I am just taking a short break from my break to show that I am still supporting Vericoin.

Soo, a few comments from me:

@effects: great job, Vericoin is positively back in the news and continues on its path towards the main goals
                (ease of use, mainstream adoption).

@buy4crypto: I can feel your struggle   ... I think you are (rightfully to a certain extent) too negative on the
                       development. I also think you became negative because of the recent price drop (which is maybe
                       still not over yet) and not so much because of the developers´ action/inaction.
                      
                       So please don´t follow the dark side and come back ... maybe not now, but in a few weeks.

@altcoinUK: Well bro, I have a feeling, that you are already lost to the dark side of BobPlop and gang. Your point of
                  view regarding importance of blockchain2 is simply wrong. Vericoin does not need
                  blockchain2 on itself. It can use existing platforms like ripple, stellar and what else is going to get
                  realized on this field. I feel like you are just annoyed, that your point does not get the dev´s and
                  community´s attention you had hoped for.
                
Vericoin is a virtual currency first and it is the goal to promote it as such. For example: Ripple is promoted as a transfer platform and not as a currency, the same with Ethereum. Stellar is just a Mcaleb Ripple clone with (allegedly) better distribution of the platform´s internal currency. If someone wants to invest in blockchain2, simply do it. But blockchain2 integration into vericoin is simply a waste of resources.

We should focus on the wallet right now. Security for minting, something like Peerbox would be great and will help to strengthen the network. If you need to clone it, do it and give credits to Peercoin´s Peerchemist.


Uh, ah ... a last word from me on the new developer:

1. I hope it is not one of the blackcoin guys.  
2. If the goal is to bring Vericoin to a higher price level, by hiring a new dev, I am against it. If the goal is to
    actually improve the wallet and to ease the workload of the three devs I would say yes. So because we know
    how drkman announced the man, I am against it.  

EDIT: spelling

[buy4crypto]

With VeriBit, VeriSMS and soon VeriCard, it's not where can you use Vericoin.  It's where can't you. www.vericoin.info

why, after such news does not rise the price?

Because nobody has heard of the company they made a "huge" deal with. The company is smaller than 1 of the 30 websites I made spending a few hours of my time creating. Mind you I had zero website building experience, which I am sure is evident if you look at my websites. I am ranked 2million something on alexa. 3 + million ranks ahead of this company and I get about 750 visits a month on that website, so people can make judgement if this is a promise with legs, or another failure waiting to happen.

I can see it now, this looks like another wizrig moment.

This is not with wizrig.  Time will tell how real this is and you may regret your current stance.

My stance doesn't have to do with money. It has to do with ethics. This company raises many questions. If you can alleviate them all for the community it would be a great help. I would like to start with :

Who is behind this company?
What led you to make a partnership with them?
What makes you believe this unknown company will be a successful partnership for vericoin?
Are you confident making a close association with an unknown company is a good choice for what vericoin is as a brand?
Are vericoin investors going to be liable for all your personal business choices made on behalf of vericoin?
In future deals, will investors know what contracts are signed on behalf of their personal investments or will you continue to do this in privacy with 1 or 2 other minority investors?

We can start there and continue a constructive debate about this if you wish. I am sure the community would appreciate the honesty, instead of smoke and mirrors.

Doug, I will ask this every few pages until you tell me I am being unreasonable, or you give me some answers.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to clear up some uncertainty that should have been released already to the public as we all invested in this deal and still have no idea what it is aside from a picture.

Not sure what your problem is buy4crypto.  I've checked out the site and watched the video and it's pretty easy to follow and understand.  http://coinsis.com/Card/Coinsis.html  It simply links an online wallet with a POS debitcard which makes it extremely easy for anyone and everyone to spend Vericoin to buy real world things.  Very cool and what's not to like?

Great Job Devs!  This is another required step that altcoins need to go through as they mature and Vericoin is one of the first with this feature.  
Now Vericoin is just like an extremely high yield savings account with a debit card.  Move your assets from Fiat to Vericoin, collect 2.5% interest on your savings, and then spend your own money as you need to simply and easily everywhere just by sliding a debit card.  Very cool indeed.

I don't really have a problem. I am seeking clarity as to the extent of the deal, ect. Maybe I should go ask devs from the other coins who apparently have signed similar deals. I don't like that this was billed as a big deal for vericoin, but it was a small deal for the other 2 coins using the same card, and the same technology. Those developers didn't make a large spectacle of the deal like ours did, and its scary to think about how pumped up people have got for things like this in the past.

We have the luxury of time to tell you unequivocally that everything launched was a failure. The peak of Vericoin price was not on a product release, but on a roadmap of future promises that time tells us where complete failures, never forget that. From the Veri-Fiat promise that was a failure, to the devs reassuring everyone many times Wizrig was legit and going to change the world starting with vericoin (they trully believed it, or sold you they did).


This is a right step towards the goals of vericoin, I agree with that. Now the execution will have to be done well to ensure any momentum, and ability to create value from this deal. In the past our developers have failed achieving the vision for any release they have had. Not 1 has overwhelmed and to me this is worrysome. If the developers where trying hard to change, I would be supporting this coin to no end. I cannot get answers to see if people helped them on vericoins behalf, or if they did this on their own and are not going to share with us the details of the transaction vericoin is now a part of. One that may limit future, larger companies, with more resources to want to invest, due to some small hobby from a community member that is being touted as the next biggest thing!

Thats another thing that stikes me is the lack of attention to detail. If you cared about everything down to the smallest detail, you wouldn't continuously rush another product, and put your previous failures further and further behind without being resolved would you? Rushing failures under the rug is the worst way to deal with them. Rather we should confront failure and learn from it. If someone had attention to detail in the group we would not be making many of the same mistakes that we are doing that will doom this coin to failure. I hope everyone has thought this through. I wanted to ask a few questions to put vericoin in a position to succeed. And asking smart questions is necessary to vet out the decision making process of our devs in this deal. This is information everyone should demand, but somehow, I am the only one thinking clearly enough to ask if it will be given to us to view what we are a part of.


For example:


What if Paypal, Mastercard, or any upcoming payment service is/was considering integrating or making a vericoin card. You think now that "Coinsis" is associated with the project, however loosely it is, that they would do that at that point?

This deal could be good, or bad. Nobody knows without having any information on the deal, and what it means to vericoin. What rights, if any has vericoin given up. I would ask this on the communities behalf again as I hope many more of you now understand the importance of what my first post today has been trying to get to. What are the terms of this deal pls? Doug said VeriCoin is covered. Covered incase of what? Who is protected from what, and if people need protection, what are the parts of the deal requiring so. Sounds like something the community should be aware of.

Community members who are behind having this, and other questions relating to this deal answered may want to speak up, or I will just be drowned out as unreasonable, and fudding.

[souljah1h]

Let dev4 work for free

[amesterdamer]

[CINNI will LIVE]

This card filled with 10k VRC will be my present in jingle bells time to my loved ones.
But it will be some trouble to register it on their name.

[cammo12]

Well, that went well, didn't it. LOL

[johnwest]

How many days, when you guys completing the cards order.
I am really excited to see, and hold 1 card with VRC loaded.