Once again on exactly the same page as proudhon. Last time (called the 3.8 bottom @4.2-4.4) went well, so let’s see if we are right now too. We should probably issue analysis and charge money for it.
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I'm here to remind the fellow bag holders what this recent event means. First of all, once again tens of thousands of BTC were stolen. We don’t even know if the other 4 unknown linode customers had lots of funds stolen as well. This proves once again that no matter how hard you try, you will probably always get your Bitcoins stolen somehow.Second of all, this particular kind of attack will probably not happen again to the same service providers. But I am sure there are enough possibilities left to satisfy us all. After all, this is the second time now Bitcoinica was hacked in perhaps two weeks of time. I hope everyone remembers what happened to Mt. Gox a while back and how it affected them - they have really boosted security ever since. Mt. Gox is the biggest exchange and by far the biggest target, and they've had no issues whatsoever after the infamous hack. Except for a bit of DDoS, and doing a planned outage on Europeans during a crash. And except for HFT bot loops which made trading impossible for hours.And finally, the third aspect of this is that attacks like these can be made near-impossible with multisignature support. Gavin wrote about this in his blog ( http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2012/03/bitcoin-faucet-hacked.html) and explained how it would work for the faucet. It's true that encryption alone would've helped in this particular attack, but multisig would make any attack very difficult to pull off. I feel that the pressure from this event could be enough to finally get multisig into Bitcoin, which will come in a few months at the earliest, which is years in Bitcoin time.That's it. My conclusion is that for the long term this event is actually negative for Bitcoin, not positive. That's why I will call any further drops an appropriate reaction. That means that there still could be a drop but we will bounce back once people chew on this thing a little more. Trust me, guys, everything will be fine. Don’t mind the >50k stolen BTC and the trust breach Bitcoin suffered once again. Full disclosure: I am not short and do not use Bitcoinica at all anymore.
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Yes, I expect people to tell the outright truth, or else I expect they have facts to hide or twist. And even though profit seems to be the measure of everything these days, I don't see how going with that flow is grown up at all. Keh. Court games, involving not saying the most important fact, such that they don't have to pay what they fucked up. Makes me sick.
Free market, man. Free market.
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Has zhoutong said so? Nope. So stop your penny stock rumors. Thanks.
We know he holds enough Bitcoin profits to be able to cover this.
He can't be holding 40k Bitcoins ? If he do, he's really bullish! He should buy them ASAP. Yes, I have heard him say that he holds quite a lot of Bitcoins, as he is bullish long term. MtGox holds lots of Bitcoin profits, too. They don’t sell them either.
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Has zhoutong said so? Nope. So stop your penny stock rumors. Thanks.
We know he holds enough Bitcoin profits to be able to cover this.
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So the next question:
Is this going to count as a breaker for the bottom triangle thingy?
Yes. Volume confirms.
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I believe there is a secret rocket taking off again. Lots of small buying over the last 24hrs and basically no serious selling. Ask walls are being eaten away slowly but surely. Leads to me believe that a larger buy could be close. Not that it will necessarily lead to anything big, we might still be stuck close to $5 for a while.
How, Technomage? How on earth do you do it?
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proudhon is ruled by the short position he took which still shows him a loss. I wouldn’t listen to anyone who lets his position control him, not the other way round.
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Fucking bitcoinica is down. I’ve warned you about the Bitcoinica. That place is only waiting to go up in flames eventually.
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You better cover before that guy buys, proudhon. I can play this screenshot-of-scary-depth-game too.
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What’s your base price on the short?
No comment. So 4.75 it is.
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The Bitcoins, obviously, but that can a) be very very long-term and b) Bitcoin has no 100% chance of success.
Obviously you would want to protect yourself from what happened June to November, for example. Bitcoin lost 94% of its value over this period, whereas the USD maybe did so in a century.
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Thanks for the answer with regard to dollar deflationary effects on Bitcoin. I’m interested in how you would answer another question of mine. Do you believe it is foolish to take profits in BTC rather than USD? In other words, to view the bitcoins as the money and dollars the asset? Does it even matter as long as you stick to one strategy over the long run?
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What’s your base price on the short?
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Seriously, proudhon? Depth analysis? Ah I forgot, it’s absolutely not manipulated and reflective of actual supply and demand.
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Adoption and usage is most definitely related to the value, though, at least in the long term. Remember how Silk Road picked up in May? And of course it influences the value also because speculators gain more confidence as they see adoption increase. If they see the opposite, like from June to December, price will decrease. Or do you think a market cap of barely 40 million will satisfy a "mainstream" currency?
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Well, you just did, and until I see anything more than hot air from you, my suspicion that you are just a hyper remains.
To think that you could make Bitcoin go mainstream within 2012 is a joke. Or perhaps you have a different definition of mainstream than me. Because if you don’t, you should be buying up all Bitcoins at the current rates, even if you have to take a loan, as well as anyone else who knows about your plans, because it would mean prices way beyond $1000 in 9 months max.
Currently, I do not see that crazy buying happening, so some or all of what you have said must be bullshit.
Sorry for the harsh language, but I hate this type of "announcement". We don’t need anymore penny stock behaviour.
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I expect to see Bitcoin go mainstream in 2012 thanks in part to some major investors of an invention of mine.
Also, when Bitcoin Magazine gets out in the air, it's going to start picking up some major glances and interests.
Sounds like the bullshit Bruce Wagner fed us.
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Think about it though...the higher your debt obligations become, the more dollars you will need to pay off that debt creating a higher demand for dollars thus raising the value of those dollars relative to everything else including commodities. Its part of a deflationary spiral that Japan for example has been suffering from for two and a half decades. Their yen is going up in value relative to their debt obligations...not down.
But wouldn’t the deflationary pressure apply to Bitcoin, too? I always imagined that an asset as risky would be the first that is drained when you need more cash. So I don’t really understand (on a fundamental basis) why you are bullish Bitcoin, and I know you are rather new to it, so you are likely unbiased. How would it flourish despite a shit economy where everyone is more concerned about food and clothing than a speculative decentralized currency?
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Thanks for the contributions so far, guys! I’ll have a deeper look at them. Donations involve a lot of micro transactions which is the main reason why it's only a matter of time before more and more charities start endorsing Bitcoin. It's just so much cheaper than the alternatives and convenient as well.
I disagree, Bitcoin is more expensive because you have to dedicate some time to learning to deal with it, and then you need to exchange it back to your local currency at a cost, so doubly inconvenient. You also carry currency risk. I don’t see much hope in donations until there is an actual Bitcoin economy, if ever. With ogrr for example this is probably not that much of a problem, because there can be a circular flow of Bitcoins to trade goods on the site. The Bitcoins themselves also can buy you stylized nicknames on the forums.
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