Your email would be the evidence, but the 0 point is reserved for unknown account holders, like Blitz. As long as we sent anything to your email, we know that you're a customer and other points criteria should apply.
You did send stuff to my email, and I do have a long-standing Bitcoinica account with previous relatively large deposits and positions that would have made sense with the few k I would have requested if I was a crooked person. I could have easily stolen a few thousand BTC. I would have been qualified for more than enough points. Here is an IRC log from 20th of May for you. Do you think we are stupid? <Blitzboom> i wonder if it’s true bitcoinica has no backups
<(retracted)> I'm pretty sure they do— less sure they were current.
<Blitzboom> ah, of cours
<Blitzboom> ee
<Blitzboom> "yes, i deposited 5k BTC right before the hack. GIVE IT BACK!"
<(retracted)> they may not even have that wallet!
<Blitzboom> i was tempted to lie on a claim for my account
<(retracted)> I expect a lot of people did.
<(retracted)> Balance "100. btc" instead of "10.0 btc"
<Blitzboom> i didn’t since i would be stealing from actual depositors …
<Blitzboom> imagine they do the claims as they think based on whatever they have, and the hacker goes and leaks the actual image
<Blitzboom> people who received coins unjustly will quickly withdraw if they haven’t and bitcoinica would take an even bigger hit
<Blitzboom> i guess there is lots of fun potential left YOU BETTER SOMEHOW RETRIEVE THE DB FROM THE HACKER OR THIS IS GOING TO END UP IN DISASTER! |
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inau, your rates suck!  Make it way higher. |
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I read his suggestion, and it makes sense because some of the info he is suggesting to use for claims cannot be faked. Very good suggestions, too.
Nonsense, I would easily have gotten >100 points filing my fake claim. The only thing that stopped me was my conscience. Where is the money going to come from the other depositors will be missing? This is why I say I see no way around insolvency without the database. You guys go ahead, though. I’ll get the popcorn for when people with 100+ points are requesting 500k BTC.  edit: rjk, no need for that. I can get over 100 despite that missing. Also I doubt they have that email data. |
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Haha, I knew I would be accused of that.
Have you read through zhoutong’s suggestion? I had no funds at Bitcoinica and considered faking a claim a few days ago, as I suspected a db loss. I could have easily done the claim and raked in a few k BTC. I didn’t because it would be theft, but I guarantee you there are enough people here who would get enough "points" to get refunded immediately, lack any morals, and had the foresight to file a fake claim before the db loss was admitted.
I simply see no other way around insolvency.
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Intersango/(My)Bitcoin(ica) Consultancy, you guys better offer a nice fat 18.5k BTC bounty for the database or you will likely be sued into insolvency!
There were already plenty of people who suspected a database loss. I was tempted to file a false claim a few days ago myself. Do you really think there is a way for you not to overpay some, and therefore underpay others without the database?
It is an absolute bargain since there is no other way to allocate funds without risking losing MORE funds than deposited. I hope the hacker will accept an initial offer and not abuse his position. I also hope he will not tamper with the database (maybe you can offer him another bounty since people will try to bribe their way in). Is there perhaps a checksum to prove it is the original?
Do it or die.
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Bitcoins are as much of a property as WoW Gold, potatoes or USD, you retard. The law doesn’t care what it is, as long as a contract exists.
BTW, don’t you have 25 BTC to repay?
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Suggestion:
Offer a 18.5k BTC bounty for whoever releases a copy of the database.
The database isn't worth 18.5k. No, it is actually worth much more than that, since quite a few people will be suing Bitcoinica if their balance does not satisfy them. You better negotiate a good deal with the hacker, or you are pretty sure to be made insolvent. edit: bulanula, there are ways to anonymously release the database along with a Bitcoin address. |
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Suggestion:
Offer a 18.5k BTC bounty for whoever releases a copy of the database.
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U mad, bulanula? |
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That's true, but it shouldn't be expected since Goat is already a major customer with them. The customer satisfaction alone from this will generate them plenty of money anyway.
Good point, that is a bit different than an individual. I just like to see honesty rewarded with a small token, even if it’s 1 Bitcoin, as it sends a message to all bulanula scammers out there. I like how quickly this was resolved. Goat is very lucky not to have sent to a bulanula. |
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In order to prevent "bulanulas", I think it is a good idea to give whoever recovers the Bitcoins some share, in this case the GLBSE support.
At least that’s what I would do, since without their honesty you would have seen 0 BTC (deniability).
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the dispute resolution team is not working in a way that matches my standards.
Says the guy who codes a financial platform in 4 days and passes it on to some clueless bagholder. I fully agree with you, Vladimir. 50 minimum. |
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I can only quote myself. Since there seem to be a few people with knowledge of who holds the majority in Bitcoinica, perhaps an anonymous doxxing might speed things up? Not to give anyone any ideas. intersango and zhou should not be the target here...
Correct. Intersango is just doing whatever the owner tells them to or NOT to. They are pawns. The mysterious owner should be in focus here, and perhaps this Bitinstant guy who claims to know him. It is him who wants to leave us uninformed, not Intersango, not zhoutong. |
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WHO can grant this transparency request?
The bagholder(s) zhoutong managed to pass Bitcoinica over to before it blew up. The MYSTERY INVESTOR. |
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We would have to advise against this. It is better to wait if and until we have permission to release the logs in full. Releasing the full logs now would certainly violate our NDA and I am sure his.
This mystery investor sure is a pain. Why the hell did you Intersango guys even choose to do business with such retards who will mute you? Or business with a guy who you can’t even work with? if we are not allowed to speak publicly we will stop all activity with bitcoinica.
IMO you should never have started it. And IMO Bitcoinica should just die, reopening it will be a mistake. |
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Those were the days...
 Forever Great Spring Stability. |
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Gold is monetarily obsolete since 2009. Too easy to counterfeit, heavy, physical, …
The future is controlled scarcity/inflation in the digital realm, and only Bitcoin can do that without a central authority.
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All the intersango are cowards. They don't dare to tell everyone what happened since the very beginning. They let Zhou tong talk for them. They just chose to hide and avoid the public.
no the owner of bitcoinica told them not to talk... if they do talk they might get sued by the owner of bitcoinica... intersango and zhou should not be the target here... Correct. Intersango is just doing whatever the owner tells them to or NOT to. They are pawns. The mysterious owner should be in focus here, and perhaps this Bitinstant guy who claims to know him. It is him who wants to leave us uninformed, not Intersango, not zhoutong. |
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Wait, aren't you the same person who on IRC was saying that the Bitcoinica hack was an inside job and that Zhou Tong was supposedly a mastermind behind all the hacks/stolen money in Bitcoinica and demanding proof otherwise and yet you're defending pirate without providing anything either?
I have never claimed any of these things. Also, the burden of proof is on the ones making criminal accusations. |
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