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681  Economy / Speculation / Re: I will not Die Untill Bitcoin will reach at Least 50K on: November 26, 2016, 06:09:58 PM
50K??? I never believed the experts saying that Bitcoin will rise to an incredible amount in the past years, but this is the first time I finally am. Do you know why? Because halving happened in 2012 and look at its aftermath. Look at how the Bitcoin industry has totally changed since then, into good! It's just becoming better and better. I feel like the next few years will see a price OVER 100K$. Sounds like a lot, but this type of thing already happened in 2013 and why would it not happen now again?

This is unlikely unless Bitcoin undergoes serious improvements which might require a few hard forks in the interim. To reach that price ($100,000 or anywhere of that order), Bitcoin adoption should expand dramatically. Since its current adoption is tiny, with only a few hundred thousand people actively using it, this per se is not totally impossible. So, the adoption could hypothetically increase to a few dozen million users in a relatively short period of time, say, in a couple of years, for example, due to a major currency crash or something to that tune. And then such prices could be potentially reachable...

But Bitcoin is simply not yet ready for such level of adoption

Gold does not have scaleabilty or any of the attributes bitcoin has and yet it has managed to gain a high level of market cap.... Put simply, btc doesn't need mass adoption to become highly valued.... Adoption is increasing steadily anyway, the value of the diminishing supply is rising...
682  Other / Off-topic / Re: Bitcoin "Elites": You stole the beneficiaries' gold on: November 26, 2016, 06:04:31 PM
What exactly is this post about? It's not making any sense to me. The title and the two posts of op is confusing what exactly are you trying to tell to us. Can you be more specific or edit and explain. Or its me who doesn't understand?

If you haven't already seen they are getting ready for the "tax implementation".

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1590009.0

I called it how it was and low and behold it is starting to creep in.


So you want to know about the beneficiaries?

They are the ones that have been trained from the ground up on how everything works.

They are the ones that are to inherit the new financial paradigm.

Bitcoin elites know this all too well.

They preyed (much like vampires) upon the desire the beneficiaries have to make things more balanced.

That is why the decentralization mask was so heavily sold.

In the end though we now see what Bitcoin has become.

-"Innovative" altcoins by the truck load
-centralized exchanges
-centralized news
-buy in from large financial institutions

Exactly the opposite of what it was supposed to be.

Many people that have bought into Bitcoin are complacent about cleaning out the greedy germs.

No one wants to go against the flow to make things better because they don't want their investment to take a hit.

So they cheer lead till it hurts, wait for an increase, and get the hell out of dodge.

It is the epitome of selfishness on the highest order.

Bitcoin will never earn the trust of any society operating this way.

Last time I checked the world wasn't very fond of central banking type systems.

Acting like one isn't going to get this thing very far.





And what exactly are you doing here if I may ask?
683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New SegWit stats? on: November 26, 2016, 05:57:51 PM
the hong kong agreement was increased blocksize first and foremost
That agreement was nonsense, stop referencing it.

lol seems you have the wrong hat on today.

segwit is smoke and mirrors
a bullshit over complicated solution and i think some of the miners can see this more clearly than others
That is an outright lie. Segwit is not as complex as the average (r/btc) Joe tries to paint it as such. Practically, the majority of the developers (non Core) support it.
yet dynamic blocksize implementations have been publicly released AND RUNNING since last year..
but took core a 10 months to REWRITE their entire implementation.

cores implementation is not just a simple patch, it was a whole rewrite.
i really think its time you learn C++

moving txs to LN will hurt miners revenue  in the future so they will ultimately reject segwit without a block increase first
Segwit != moving TXs to LN. Stop spreading false information. Segwit is a block size increase.

firstly your playing semantics.. segwit is a BLOAT size increase(4mb). with a side effect of capacity increase (1.8mb-2.1mb)
the 4mb weight limit has no correlation to capacity. the base block and witness does..
which is having a one time side effect on capacity increase, but cannot scale. EG you cannot re segwit a segwit, so has nothing to do with scaling. its a one time boost. stop over selling it.

secondly your right segwit doesnt mean moving txs to LN. (but your just twisting 'why' its not directly involved with LN)
much like seeing a baby take its first step doesnt mean all babies should be entered into a cities marathon race event.

but without being able to take a certain step early on, marathons in the future would never happen.

lets atleast not think that marathons are made compulsory for anyone able to walk in the future.
lets atleast not think LN is compulsory for anyone able to use bitcoin in the future.

so i hope i never see you in the future talk about LN as the solution to scaling. or i will have to refer you to this post to remind you


At least some people can see this thing for what it is...
You can explain it to some people, but you can't understand it for them...  Grin
684  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 26, 2016, 05:54:02 PM
Trading volume is down and in the mean time the daily trading range seems to get tighten. Soon there will be a breakup or breakdown. The odds for both are almost 50 % and what is left will be left for stability.

does your gut say up or down?
My gut says up as a result of BTC heading down. I think that is the fuel we are wiating for.

@KeyJockey -  thanks for your detailed review of the GUI. very cool  Smiley. Gonna wait for the compatable Daemon b4 trying the Windows version. Kinda glad I am at least experiencing the CLI version for a bit first too.



Btc probably more likely to up imo.... Bullish news from China

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-26/china-unveils-new-capital-controls-freezing-ma-frenzy
685  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hold onto your balls gentlemen , the halvening is coming! ;) on: November 26, 2016, 05:52:14 PM
I think we are starting  to feel the effect of the halvening now and the reduced supply is gradually increasing the price....
November is bitcoins month...
Don't forget to hold onto them balls, gentlemen!  Grin

Yep, the sensible ones amongst us knew it'd take months for the price to feel the effects of the halvening. Only now are we seeing it reflected in the price.   

It was a similar wait for a price reaction at the last halvening.

Looks like it might soon be spaceship time again..... But the next ATH will gangrape the last one by several orders of magnitude ....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-26/china-unveils-new-capital-controls-freezing-ma-frenzy
686  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New SegWit stats? on: November 26, 2016, 10:04:45 AM


The growing support still looks good for now but I would expect this to plateau at some point and may start going down the longer Segwit stays inactivated. So what would be the next step for Bitcoin as a whole if it is not activated? Will we see some developers of Core leaving in disappointment? That is over a year of their work that might go to waste.

the hong kong agreement was increased blocksize first and foremost
segwit is smoke and mirrors
a bullshit over complicated solution and i think some of the miners can see this more clearly than others
moving txs to LN will hurt miners revenue  in the future so they will ultimately reject segwit without a block increase first
687  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New SegWit stats? on: November 25, 2016, 08:30:29 PM
I still don't understand why there are some people opposed to the SegWit implementation. Isn't it something that will make the Bitcoin ecosystem better? What are the arguments against this? Could it take more than a month for the consensus to be reached?

Go into r/btc and actually experience these guys first hand.
It's like walking unaware into a room full of staunch feminists and SJW's. Every word you say is taken negatively. Every word you MIGHT say is defended against by a preemptive attack. Smiley
Quite funny.
So, after several coup attempts over a couple of years now, they have redefined english, new ways to think, etc. Like 1984.

Deep diving into all that (shudder) and translating back to normal english reveals a basic issue, I think.
They sincerely believe that segwit locks in a future where only layer 2 solutions to scaling are permitted.
So they think blocking it is a good thing.

But that premise is incorrect. Segwit only opens up new options, scales some, fixes bugs, etc.
It's just obvious, but I can understand the confusion coming out of that place.



The blockchain is not anyones private property so obviously we  have a vested interest in making it impossible or prohibitively expensive to use, you may agree with that or not but L2 solutions are not an alternative to removing the anti spam cap
688  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New SegWit stats? on: November 25, 2016, 08:01:11 PM
I still don't understand why there are some people opposed to the SegWit implementation. Isn't it something that will make the Bitcoin ecosystem better? What are the arguments against this? Could it take more than a month for the consensus to be reached?

segwit is like an unwanted cock in the ass that doesnt allow users to use the main chain by making it prohibitively expensive
the blocks need to be larger .the solution is that simple ........
689  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: New SegWit stats? on: November 25, 2016, 07:09:54 PM
So ... bitfury finally started signalling segwit correctly (rather than just in the coinbase string).
That should add about 8% to the segwit hash fraction, bringing it up to something like 28%.

Check it out here: https://btc.com/stats/pool/BitFury



Don't think it will matter much, it only takes one Chinese farm to stop Segwit.

I dont think so, ViaBTC will be forced to support Segwit when they are the last one, ore they will run out of business.

if ViaBTC is the last miner to update to 13.1, yes i agree they will yield

They won't have to yield
Segwit will be cancelled for another solution
 in  less than a year

If miners wanted it they would have taken it the hour it was released
690  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is the mempool being jammed solid for a few days now good or bad for the price? on: November 25, 2016, 04:25:26 AM
Bitcoin is not and never has been suitable for everyone in the world to buy his coffee with....

It is crippled at the moment and it will be until the block size is dynamic but even then I don't know if it's suitable for microtxs....

I consider my bitcoins to be first and foremost a store of value, like gold bars in a vault and the vault is only secure as long as the hash rate is high (well paid miners)

Of course I would like free txs as much as the next man but if it costs 0.07 or 0.14 or 0.21 to make a transfer I will have to cope with that as a necessary evil....
691  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: November 23, 2016, 03:18:54 AM
Excellent. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. Are you surprised by the extent of this rally from 12/17? What probability do you give to the reemergence of a bull market at this point?

Surprised: Yes. In a sense that I would have given it <50% probability (and therefore bet against it).

Reemergence of bull market: this requires a lengthier explanation which is based on the trendline model.

The trend is adjusting itself all the time, but it already has 5 years of data, which means that the new datapoints do not change it much. I have high confidence on the predictive ability of the trend, because I believe it tells us the market-tested maximum increase rate based on infrastructure and psychological factors mainly. According to the trend, we will reach $1M in 12/2016. It is quite breathtaking speed actually.

A
Ultimate definition for a bull market is that the trendline will never be revisited. The rate of growth of bitcoin economy would have changed, which means that the trendline should be recalculated with only the new data (since 1.1.2013 for example). The new booms and busts would conform to the steeper trend and not the old (which did call the bottom in 2011, and was very good in 2013). This would mean that $1M is reached sooner than 12/2016.

B1
Intermediate1 bull market is something that would now have started, and will run its course and crash to the trendline and below sometime so far in the future that it would have been better to buy now. Such as 2011 before the bubble. This will of course affect the trendline slope to the upside, since so long time would have been spent significantly above it.

B2
Intermediate2 bull market means that we make the new ATH and go beyond, but in the aftermath visit the trendline and below such that it is advantageous to wait considering the risks and such (going below $800). The trend would be pretty much intact in this scenario. (According to the trend, we would close the year 2014 at $6,356, which means that the likely price is between $3k-$13k.)

C
Bull market is not resumed, and we will turn down before making an ATH. Likely by the end of March, there will be an event allowing purchase at $300-$400 for the nimble, and the general consensus price will be at $500s, making this price available for all.

I would currently give the odds:
A = 15%
B1 = 20%
B2 = 25%
C = 40%.

Note that there will probably be flashcrashes in the way, which gives entry points to those who believe in the bull market but don't want to commit all now.

Do you still think btc can reach the forecast price ranges in the post above, albeit over a longer time frame?
692  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 22, 2016, 10:47:27 PM
The price of bitcoin is around 900 usd in India.
It is just a matter of time when the rise from India spills over to other markets. In fact, the price of bitcoin have been above the other markets for some time (thanks to the cash issues I suppose).

https://localbitcoins.com/country/IN

My speculation is that the majority of the weak hands have been shaken out and when we prepare for bitcoin mooning we might see actually new ATH of Monero as well both in terms of fiat and bitcoins (some of the bitcoin maximalists might diversify a little).

It may be, but the fundamentals simply do not support it. There is simply no way that Bitcoin, with its 1 MB blocksize limit, can make even a minuscule dent in the cash transaction market in India no matter how many large denomination Indian rupee bills are taken out of circulation by the Indian government.

you should google " bitcoin unlimited "  ............
693  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much would you have now if you bought btc instead of your first smartphone? on: November 22, 2016, 07:29:59 AM
I'm so glad I bought that phone!
I think it was a moto g, and it got out in November 2013.
I bought mine in december 2013, and at that time bitcoin was at its highest point so far.
I do not know exactly how much I paid, but the bitcoin price at the moment is still beyond the price at that time.

But how much is the phone worth now?
And In 2020  how much will the phone be worth compared to a 1-2 btc?
It's a good example to buy btc sooner rather than later!
694  Economy / Speculation / Re: The adoption boom is coming on: November 22, 2016, 06:47:19 AM
It's coming and everyone can feel it, but it HAS to be user-friendly for the average Joe to reach those $10k+ levels. Until an easy to use payment system or app comes along that is cross-compatible with smart phones and everything else, it's going to be hard climbing.

Even now a little knowledgeable people were good to use with the help of various bitcoin wallets that were compatible with smart phones. At present people doesn't have a good understanding about the technology running behind the success of the advancing digital currency network. Soon more compatible apps might emerge over the years, so that even people who doesn't have much knowledge too can use which supports adoption.

Mega upload 2 is just one of hundreds of new projects being developed for next year so I have no doubts that the bitcoin price will be on the moon and maybe even on the mars...  Cheesy
695  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sell my stocks buy bitcoin... on: November 22, 2016, 06:43:11 AM
Selling stocks is not in my eyes the solution to make profit and buy bitcoin, I would hold my stocks till it will be really profitable and than look if the bitcoin can also be bought for a low price so you can make some good profits with it.

It is very possible that the bitcoin price will be much higher in the future, it will rise faster than stock index.

Correct, btc will kill stocks every quarter for the forseeable future!
This is gentlemen!

 Wink









696  Economy / Speculation / Re: When do you think will be a best time to buy bitcoin? on: November 22, 2016, 06:26:43 AM
For my point of view, It is best time for selling the bitcoin, If you have bitcoin, than should sell it now, because now bitcoin already cross $734 and sometime it grew more, and also should know, not buy the bitcoin, when bitcoin already in a high price, like now a days. Because when bitcoin go to high than people start to selling their bitcoins, and in the result, bitcoin's price suddenly come down. So that is a time to buy the bitcoin in a low price.

anyone who sells their btc now for $734 will probably cry next year  when the price is $10k+
but if you have no belive in the technology and coming adoption and by all means ,sell your btc
cheap and make space for someone else on the moon train .........



$10k ? Are you sure it will go 10k ? If what you're saying is true, then all of us should have buy a few and keep till next year.... but I doubt it will go so high next year....

10k will happen when all the new services launch , compared to the population of the world there is a very small number of bitcoins in existence and the demand is continually rising.....
Each bitcoin is going to worth a big chunk Of money so it's still very cheap amd people buying now are still early adopters compared to the rest of the world
697  Other / MultiBit / Re: Multibit HD and SegWit ? on: November 22, 2016, 03:27:06 AM
Understood that classic is no longer supported. But since I keep the whole multibit folder offline (on a USB thumb drive) I should be safe, correct?

USB drives are notoriously unreliable over time, you should be careful if you have a non trivial amount of bitcoins
698  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitCoin Friendly Countries on: November 22, 2016, 03:07:13 AM
The US is relatively good toward bitcoin. The only thing is sending bitcoin overseas through mail, like cash is banned too. This is why i'm pretty sure you can't transfer loaded coins across their border.

What exactly are loaded coins?  Huh
699  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much would you have now if you bought btc instead of your first smartphone? on: November 22, 2016, 02:43:09 AM
This is an interesting website. I had my smartphone last year and I bought it about $320. So for bitcoin now, it's half. 0.5 BTC for it. But that was the last year's price, now it is 0.25 BTC (If I get the best deal in selling it) but I think I won't sell it anymore. The smartphones' prices easily decline, especially for Samsung phones. Sadly for me, the website doesn't have my phone in it.

Therefore, I think I can conclude that I should buy Apple because the price doesn't decline that much to their original prices.

Apple is the smartphone equivalent of gay porn.....
700  Economy / Speculation / Re: The adoption boom is coming on: November 22, 2016, 12:14:03 AM
Mainstream adoption is coming, get coins now while you still can
Once the whales move in, whole  coins will be too expensive for the average user  ( $10k+)  and people will deal in Mbits or maybe even satoshis...

Right now bitcoin doesn't scale for shit, so this is a pipe dream unless something comes along to change that.

Scaleability is a war at the moment but no matter who wins, bitcoin will be extremely valuable....
It doesn't really matter whether the block size is raised or small  txs go on sidechains.... Btc will  get much more valuable than it ever was before....
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