Nope. The went back to India I read, with all that nice BTC.

I got my 1/3 down pre-order back from Amex Card used with Paypal, even after both Paypal and Amex denied it.

I re-submitted a dispute with American Express ...pointing out that the bill they sent to Amex as proof I was past the 60-day dispute

limit (unless you file another appeal which I did) that said PAID IN FULL ...but awaiting shipping. I then pointed out to Amex that

I only paid 1/3 for the unit, it was not paid in full as stated, and showed them the Paypal screenshots ..Amex was really, really,

pissed off, took I think bank to task got mine and a mess of other $$ back in some manner and that was the last you heard of them.

Except somewhere on this thread they went back to India that nice commonwealth country under the U.K. to live with the Alpha Tech Spoils

without any consequences.

Anyway, surprised they never  locked up this thread, newbie scammer mistake....but at the time 1/3 down seemed fine with PayPal

but in the end, PayPal said screw you after the 45-day delay (they never shipped anything) and those who did not have the credit card option

who did not get a refund in 60 days (more if you filed a dispute under that timeline) also mostly got shafted!

Dumb luck and newbie bad forged paid documents by them to Amex is what saved me

Just as an aside.

BTC was at a high this month on 2/13/20 of $10,425.85 USD.

15 days BTC was at the current price (just looked) of $8,740.45 USD.

This is a 16.16% dump in price in those 15 days for Bitcoin, as best as I can determine.

The Dow Jones was on 2/13/20 a price of $29,290.85 USD.

Again, 15 days Down Jones was today at $25,409.36 USD.

This is a 13.25% dump in price in those 13 days for Dow Jones, as best as I can determine.

Gold was $1,575.74 on 2/13/20. Gold was $1,585.78 on 2/28/20.

So far stocks and BTC are pretty much neck and neck and gold was pretty much flat in price.

We will see, I find it interesting we are in this groove with stock losses.

Anyway, for your consideration of the possible correlation of the Coronavirus situation.

Brad

a lot less than 7 days ago when they made $2.10 a day and now make (as I look at below link)

https://www.whattomine.com/coins/161-sc-sia or now 44c per on my 3 card unit(s) I got then. FML.

 Using this calculator at my 10c kWh electric (all included with setup/fixes)

At 250gh per board, I get the following for a 500mh 500-watt 2 card setup SC1 I'm making 28c a day over $1.48 in electric

thus won't offer much...what do you think you need... I assume it is not being recently used?

Anyway..you'd be selling in fear of a dump...I'd be buying in hopes of a pump..flip a coin....ugly indeed!

Quite a  day from 7 days ago...when the same unit made 77c per day...still ugly...but now with these prices, it has moved into brutal.

The only reason I'm mining is that I bought of course units at the high, like 7 days ago only! FML.

When a 3 card unit made $2.10 a day, after electric.

Now the same 3 card unit makes (using above calculator link) makes 44c a day, after electric. Indeed check my calculations.

So I am in a position where I HAVE to mine/hope in that I jumped in at 'obviously' the worst time. Others who have made profits

may want to just plain get out, because they have made their profits and don't want to do the hassle of 44c per loaded machine in working on such.

pm me if you wish...not sure what is fair to pay..but we can at least discuss, (cry?) about my lack of timing in buying and your lack of faith in selling.

But again, I'm pretty much 'forced' to mine these...others maybe not so much. You could say I timed my buy of 7 days ago, really, really, bad huh?

later

brad

Well ...interesting....GOLD is down..due to use in manufacturing will slip....stocks are down..bitcoin/crypto is down...so this whole

BTC/Crypto use for 'bad times' is coming to pass...too bad, IMHO, BTC/Crypto is being dumped first, because of ease of use.

Especially in that, you don't want to take the time to sell your stocks..or gold or whatever ...but 'damn' i can liquidate BTC/Crypto

'fast' to fill my 'empty emergency fund' in case of layoffs because my company can't get China Widgets.

So BTC/Crypto is indeed fulfilling its catastrophic and/or emergency use...I just wish it was not so frigging likely for folk

to 'prudently' dump such first, because of ease of liquidation. Shoulda saw this coming in 20/20 hindsight.

Bitcoin 'the merciless bitch' is still thinking about following the stock market..or more likely is just messing with our minds for a few days.....


here ya go..what they have been discussing..buying back their own stock or cures the last few years

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/11/goldman-asks-is-curing-patients-a-sustainable-business-model.html

Btctalk name: Searing
Btctalk URL: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=99165
Rank: Legendary
Merit: 1275  (last 120 days: 75)
Current post count: 9139
BTC address : 1PbhCD56EE1ur45UvTca5wEUkAPpTi25oq

Will take a step down from Legendary spot, if no openings, at your discretion!

Is he not with the Trump Crowd that does NOT believe in Vaccination? Maybe not.

HE JUST HANGS OUT WITH THOSE THAT DO!

(we are so screwed)

I, on the other hand, AM RETIRED EARLY, somewhat due to crypto, though I've been in HODL mode for more than a year on BTC/Crypto/Alts selling of such to live on now.

Thus I should start stocking up to live at home, do the over $100 delivery on the web for groceries free to the house thingy ahead of the curve and get lots of rubber gloves,

figure out how to 'sanitize' the canned goods as they arrive in bulk. Oh, such 'fun' this will be! NOT!

So it MAYBE finally happened...10  years ago I would 'laugh' at those folks that built bunkers and said it was in case of this stuff...DOOMSDAY stay at home and it was really

annoying when the main 1st adopters were these guys...getting into BTC and then making said 'fancy bunkers'. Now instead of out of sight out of mind...I'll likely

croak, in my home, hearing them 'crow' about their foresight (never really did the foresight thing)....anyway....they just said today the Vaccine is speeding along

much faster than in the past and should ONLY take 1 to 1.5  years to distribute...if IT DOES NOT MUTATE TO SOMETHING WORSE...really did not need to hear

that last part....it should be fine right? FML? Maybe I should just run about and buy a lot of meaningless sex/sell bitcoin/to take my mind of this .that will help right?

Brad

Interesting..you have a crisis...a potential 'pandemic'

thus BTC is used as a store of value in countries where such things would be much worse..you can't trust your government

or your banks are corrupt or whatever, like say Venezuela.

So now you have your crisis, the one that states 'bitcoin will be a store of value' but what you find is..don't want to take $$$ out

of the bank (or hard or like Venezuela you have no cash in banks)

So of all the assets, you have set aside like, gold/silver and US currency and Bitcoin

which is the 'easiest to move' in a country like Venezuela for quick emergency cash?

You could make the same argument for the USA..do I really want to call my broker to move $$$ out? Or wait for long-term on such?

Say you are cash poor and 'iffy' on your finances if this goes on for a bit, as a result of a potential layoff or whatever or coronavirus fears...due to slowdown and stoppage of parts in China?

But damn, I can dump BTC to 'refund' my (ashamed because empty) "emergency/catastrophe fund' in case any/all of above come to pass.

Take this logic worldwide on the status of the current economic issues of all these worldwide and peoples likely reaction to such and it seems to humble a BTC/Crypto HODL'er indeed!

So we have the 'twin' fun times of when the stock market crashes on fears of something like this ...discretionary $$$ move out of BTC/Crypto and we dump too.

But like today, when the stock market pumps, BTC/Crypto also dumps as much or more.

Great thing BTC as a store of value for trying times...until the trying times come...damn this is harsh...

HODL I guess, but I'm also as 'cash strapped' as all the idiots above if this continues, so sh*t, this cluster could go on awhile if my 'dubious' above views are kinda correct.

The only hope is this resolves itself and stabilizes and Bitcoin recoups as a store of value and being just temporary shakeup/crash in BTC/Crypto. Indeed I hope so!

Brad

Interesting..you have a crisis...a potential 'pandemic'

thus BTC is used as a store of value in countries where such things would be much worse..you can't trust your government

or your banks are corrupt or whatever, like say Venezuela.

So now you have your crisis, the one that states 'bitcoin will be a store of value' but what you find is..don't want to take $$$ out

of the bank (or hard or like Venezuela you have no cash in banks)

So of all the assets, you have set aside like, gold/silver and US currency and Bitcoin

which is the 'easiest to move' in a country like Venezuela for quick emergency cash?

You could make the same argument for the USA..do I really want to call my broker to move $$$ out? Or wait for long-term on such?

I"m cash poor as a result of a potential layoff or whatever or coronavirus fears...due to slowdown and stoppage of parts in China?

But damn, I can dump BTC to 'refund' my (ashamed) "emergency/catastrophe fund' in case any/all of above come to pass.

So we have the 'twin' fun times of when the stock market crashes on fears of something like this ...discretionary $$$ move out of BTC/Crypto and we dump too.

But like today, when the stock market pumps, BTC/Crypto also dumps as much or more.

Great thing BTC as a store of value for trying times...until the trying times come...damn this is harsh...

Brad

The OP could be right, look at the Litecoin Halving....splat..that went down...

I'm in this long term...but it is 'entirely' possible that halving is already factored in with the price...probably, if so, because

volume/adoption is not what I think BTC should be at now. I'll HODL anyway, but hard to deny the possibility with BTC looking

to go below 9k here soon, that halving could have little effect on price and indeed go sideways in price if not down.

Brad

In the last 6 days, mining profits on these units are down 61.69% with whatever pump and dump reason on top of the BTC dump in price which,

as I type BTC looks like it is gonna go below 9K. I'm looking for cheap units from folks who have made their profits on these units and want to bail out.

( 6 days ago Siacoin price was 0.003600 and currently today it is at 0.002221) that is a 61.69% decrease in price and/or mining profits. Yech!

So don't get your hopes up boys and girls, but I may take a chance and buy some of these prices are right. But with the current BTC/Crypto sh*tstorm it

may be very 'difficult' to put it mildly to make any kind of deal..but what the heck....I'm a stupid 'optimistic type'...so made this posting here.

Currently, an Obelisk SC1 1st batch with 3 cards is 800gh at 750 watts and a 2 card unit conservatively would do 500gh supposedly at 500 watts..supposedly or so it states on eBay auctions,

which are 'insanely high' by the way...and this is why I'm posting here.

https://www.whattomine.com/coins/161-sc-sia

A 'supposed' 3 board full batch 1 SC1 model unit will run at 800gh and 750watts makes at 10c kWh exactly  $0.45 USD by using this calculator

(put the values in above with your electric costs per kWh)  

So call me stupid, but considering buying some in I think this dump may be a bit more and some recovery will happen...but again, be realistic on my 'guess'

and what has happened in the last 6 days.

You can post your views here....people can look at my past escrow and or such on here via Trust Settings or suggest someone we can use in escrow should

some deal comes to pass.

So, I'm betting on this dump being excessive and looking for those with Obelisk SC1 Siacoin Miner equipment (only Obelisk brand does Blake2b-Sia now FYI)

that what to trim their amount of miners or are taking their past profits on these used machines and selling them here and/or just getting out of Siacoin Mining.

Anyway, again feel free to PM me or hell hash out the likely 'demise' of my plan here as being silly, I don't mind...on the thread here...I'm just 'winging it' here.

Do your own research and double-check my work and calculations above to your satisfaction and let me know if you want to sell any via pm or on this thread.

And for all of us good luck and hope that BTC/Crypto recovers enough where our 'dubious' hardware purchases of whatever flavor of Algo or ASIC improves

beyond the sh*tstorm we seem to be in now.

thanks

Brad

Yep, it looks like Bitcoin is heading under 9k soon. I swear on any decision crypto-related I should just 'flip a coin' on what to do and keep a chart...I swear

one of 2 things. (1) my judgement on all this would improve dramatically or (2) it would still be more or less a 50/50 crapshoot....but at least I could blame

the damn coin!

Brad

I suspect there is 'some' if not 'a lot' of befuddlement about the purpose of the project at this point in time with the latest dump in price.

With Bitcoin looking like it is going under 9K, I expect a lot of 'angst' soon about 'dubious' progress on this project...likely and unfortunately

will relate to price...likely downward.

Well, Siacoin in the last 6 days has dumped from 0.003600 to 0.002221 which is a 61.694 % decline and it is still dropping as  I type this. As well as Bitcoin dumping which

looks like it is gonna end up going under 9K here soon. Well, jeez ain't that kick in the nuts! So price vs progress and timeline..how is this supposed to go again?

Seems some major Siacoin Whales are dumping for 'real-world problems' in a big, big way.

Well, why would the government not react in the same manner as the rest of us are likely too? I should google how long they figure a virus should take to get and deploy

but at best I'd guess that is at best 4 months away to end user...likely longer.

fun frigging times

brad


Still, I don't have enough Bitcoin/Crypto to 'seduce' such as her....need much more BTC for someone like that to pay attention to me, in a very, very, inappropriate relationship, lots

more BTC I need to hoard! (hey, any excuse to HODL right?)

well with a 33% or more price dump and compare that to the payout/vs bitcoin dump and a miner went from $1.80 a day to now 65c or some such...

classic pump and dump the last 4 days....even at flat difficulty on the network that has really, really got to hurt...especially in usa with 10c kWh rates kinda/sorta.

oh well, its only money right?

hurry up already...jeez, the time it takes BTC to get 'dressed up' and make an entrance after a stock market dump..is just annoying....



Unfortunately, my life seems to be your life....frugal/boring..etc....need to do something truly epic and senseless and of 'dubious' moral values...

but nevermind I need a nap...later

Brad

So the factories are open...what about the cities with main shipping ports..if they are 'dorked' then nothing will move.

I am trying to be positive here...but can't see this NOT ending in 'waves' of places shut down as the illness spreads...it will be spotty for months

disrupting the supply chain of many interconnected shipping methods IMHO.

brad

IMHO, it is 'vaccination' it may come to a point where we are 'vaccinated' for both each year....so I approach looking at this coronavirus as being the flu on steroids with no vaccine yet

so a bit concerned myself. See link below on flu WITH vaccinees that do currently exist and double such results of both these outbreaks, maybe each year from now on.

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/04/us-flu-still-elevated-dropping-deaths-high-57000

it was fine....first went to CPA she said did you spend any BTC you mined..me nope...end of problem...then 2 weeks before the tax deadline of April in 2014....the IRS came out with the

2014 guidelines....went to bank SEC above....thought I was (and happy about it) going to have to pay like $3k to IRS...went to amend taxes with CPA ..she read the IRS 2014

guidelines and laughed and said "you are a farmer' ..thought she had lost her frigging mind...but indeed wrote off all the equipment etc..came out better in HODL'ing BTC back

then as a result and such...

Anyway, the 'die' was cast...I'm as honest as the frigging snow...i even put my eBay sales and sig campaign money down as income....each year... I may have made mistakes

but the whole you deliberately messed with your taxes IRS line is not gonna fly if ever it comes to pass in my future...

probably a blessing in disguise actually ...I now have a 7-year track record as a crypto 'small home business' etc. No regrets.

later

brad