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1121  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 28, 2019, 03:52:06 AM
Interim ruling by the judge in Kleinbold v Craig Wright

TLDR:  Judge rules that CSW is a lying shithead.


Quote
Dr. Wright’s story not only was not supported by other evidence in the record, it defies common sense and real-life experience. Consider his claims. He designed Bitcoin to be an anonymous digital cash system with an evidentiary trail. DE 236 at 15. He mined approximately 1,000,000 bitcoin, but there is no accessible evidentiary trail for the vast majority of them. He is a latter-day Dr. Frankenstein whose creation turned to evil when hijacked by drug dealers, human traffickers, and other criminals. Id. at 16-17. To save himself, he engaged David Kleiman to remove all traces of his involvement with Bitcoin from the public record. Id. at 16. As part of his efforts to disassociate from Bitcoin and “so that I wouldn’t be in trouble,” he put all his bitcoin (and/or the keys to it – his story changed) into a computer file that is encrypted with a hierarchical Shamir encryption protocol. See Id. at 23. He then put the encrypted file into a “blind” trust (of which he is one of the trustees), gave away a controlling number of the key slices to now-deceased David Kleiman, and therefore cannot now decrypt the file that controls access to the bitcoin. His only hope is that a bonded courier arrives on an unknown dated in January 2020 with the decryption keys. If the courier does not appear, Dr. Wright has lost his ability to access billions of dollars worth of bitcoin, and he does not care. Id. at 21-22. Inconceivable.
During his testimony, Dr. Wright’s demeanor did not impress me as someone who was telling the truth. When it was favorable to him, Dr. Wright appeared to have an excellent memory and a scrupulous attention to detail. Otherwise, Dr. Wright was belligerent and evasive.

He did not directly and clearly respond to questions. He quibbled about irrelevant technicalities. When confronted with evidence indicating that certain documents had been fabricated or altered, he became extremely defensive, tried to sidestep questioning, and ultimately made vague comments about his systems being hacked and others having access to his computers. None of these excuses were corroborated by other evidence.
Sadly, Dr. Wright does not write on a clean slate. As Judge Bloom recently noted in denying Dr. Wright’s Motion for Judgment on the Pleadings, Dr. Wright has taken directly conflicting factual positions at different times during this litigation. DE 265 at 10 (“[T]he record is replete with instances in which the Defendant has proffered conflicting sworn testimony before this Court.). As discussed below, that behavior continued before me.
Dr. Wright has a substantial stake in the outcome of the case. If Plaintiffs succeed on their claims, Dr. Wright stands to lose billions of dollars. That gives him a powerful motive not to identify his bitcoin. As long as the relevant addresses remain secret, he can transfer the bitcoin without the Plaintiffs being able to find them. After all, Bitcoin is an anonymous cybercurrency.
Similarly, Dr. Wright had many reasons not to tell the truth. Most notably, Dr. Wright might want to prevent the Plaintiffs (or others) from finding his Bitcoin trove. Alternatively, there was evidence indicating that relevant documents were altered in or about 2014, when the Australian Tax Office was investigating one of Dr. Wright’s companies. Perhaps Dr. Wright’s testimony here is motivated by certain legal and factual positions he took in the Australian Tax Office investigation and from which he cannot now recede.
There was substantial credible evidence that documents produced by Dr. Wright to support his position in this litigation are fraudulent. There was credible and compelling evidence that documents had been altered. Other documents are contradicted by Dr. Wright’s testimony or declaration.

While it is true that there was no direct evidence that Dr. Wright was responsible for alterations or falsification of documents, there is no evidence before the Court that anyone else had a motive to falsify them. As such, there is a strong, and unrebutted, circumstantial inference that Dr. Wright willfully created the fraudulent documents.
One example is the Deed of Trust document for the Tulip Trust. Among the trust assets identified in the purported Deed of Trust creating the Tulip Trust on October 23, 2012, are “All Bitcoin and associated ledger assets transferred into Tulip Trading Ltd by Mr David Kleiman on Friday, 10th June 2011 following transfer to Mr Kleiman by Dr Wright on the 09th June 2011 . . .This incles [sic] the 1,200,111 Bitcoin held under the former arrangement and the attached conditions.” P. Ex. 9 at 2.

 Notably absent from the list of trust assets is any encrypted file, software, public or private keys. The Deed of Trust states that the parties forming the Tulip Trust are Wright International Investments Ltd and Tulip Trading Ltd. Id. at 1. There was credible and conclusive evidence at the hearing that Dr. Wright did not control Tulip Trading Ltd. until 2014. P. Exs. 11-14; DE 236 at 88-96. Moreover, computer forensic analysis indicated that the Deed of Trust presented to the Court was backdated. The totality of the evidence in the record does not substantiate that the Tulip Trust exists. Combining these facts with my observations of Dr. Wright’s demeanor during his testimony, I find that Dr. Wright’s testimony that this Trust exists was intentionally false.11

Dr. Wright’s false testimony about the Tulip Trust was part of a sustained and concerted effort to impede discovery into his bitcoin holdings. Start with Dr. Wright’s deceptive and incomplete discovery pleadings. He testified at the evidentiary hearing that at least as early as December 2018 he knew that he could not provide a listing of his bitcoin holdings. Yet, the Court was not told this “fact” until April 18, 2019. I give Dr. Wright the benefit of the doubt that prior to May 14 the Plaintiffs were seeking information that went beyond a list of his bitcoin holdings on December 31, 2013.

After the May 14 discovery hearing, however, Dr. Wright was aware that the Court expected him to provide Plaintiffs with sufficient information so those bitcoin holdings could be traced.
Nevertheless, having failed to hold off discovery on legal grounds, after March 14, Dr. Wright changed course and started making affirmative misleading factual statements to the Court. His April 18 Motion argued for the first time, “In 2011, Dr. Wright transferred ownership of all his Bitcoin into a blind trust. Dr. Wright is not a trustee or beneficiary of the blind trust. Nor does Dr. Wright know any of the public addresses which hold any of the bitcoin in the blind trust. Thus, Dr. Wright, does not know and cannot provide any other public addresses.” This pleading was intended to communicate the impression that Dr. Wright had no remaining connection to the bitcoin. It was also intended to create the impression that the bitcoin themselves had been transferred to the trust. 12
Dr. Wright almost immediately made irreconcilable statements about the Tulip Trust. The April 18 Motion stated it was a blind trust and he was not a trustee. His sworn declaration three weeks later stated that he is one of the trustees of the Tulip Trust.

The trust can hardly be considered “blind” (as represented in the April 18 Motion) if Dr. Wright is one of the trustees. At least one set of these representations about the trust and Dr. Wright’s status as a trustee necessarily is intentionally misleading.

Dr. Wright also changed his story about what is in the alleged trust. The April 18 Motion states that Dr. Wright’s bitcoin had been transferred to a blind trust, and therefore are owned by the trusts, not by Dr. Wright. The Court gave Dr. Wright an extension of time so he could meet with his counsel to draft and file a declaration about the trust. In the May 8 declaration, he swore that he met with counsel and that he provided counsel “with additional details and clarity regarding trusts that I settled that hold or held Bitcoin that I mined or acquired on or before December 31, 2013.” DE 222 at ¶ 3 (emphasis added). He further swore, “In June 2011, I took steps to consolidate the Bitcoin I mined with Bitcoin that I acquired and other assets. In October 2012, a formal trust document was executed, creating a trust whose corpus included the Bitcoin that I mined, acquired and would acquire in the future. The name of that trust is Tulip Trust. It was formed in the Seycelles [sic].” Id. at ¶ 5 (emphasis added).

His declaration was unequivocal that the trust held bitcoin. Nevertheless, at his deposition on June 26 (and at the evidentiary hearing), he changed his story to say that the trust contained an encrypted file with the keys to the bitcoin, not the bitcoin itself.
The hearing testimony that the trust holds only keys, not bitcoin, cannot be reconciled with the statements in the April 18 Motion and the May 8 declaration that it contains bitcoin. At least one of these representations is intentionally false. During his testimony at the evidentiary hearing, Dr. Wright made a point of being precise in his use of terms, including contesting whether a document was an email or a pdf of an email. It is not credible that, given his claim to have an unmatched understanding of Bitcoin, he would have mistaken the Bitcoin currency for the keys that control the ability to transfer the currency. I find instead that he belatedly realized that any transaction(s) transferring bitcoin into the alleged Tulip Trust would be reflected on the Bitcoin master blockchain, that he would then be required to identify those transaction(s), and that Plaintiffs could use that information to trace the bitcoin.

So, Dr. Wright changed his story to say that only the keys had been transferred.
Ultimately, Dr. Wright’s claim of inability to comply with the Court’s Orders relies on the existence of an encrypted file in the Tulip Trust containing the information necessary to reconstruct Dr. Wright’s bitcoin holdings. I find that this file does not exist.

Dr. Wright testified this file is an encrypted compressed file containing multiple sub-files. He swore, “Each of those files has a differently calculated encryption key . . . It’s a hierarchical system, where, based on a combination of the file hash and the original encryption key – there are a variety of those – there are multiple Shamir schemes.” DE 236 at 107. The Shamir scheme divides a single encryption key into multiple key slices; some subset of the total key slices is needed to decrypt the file.13 Dr. Wright testified that 15 key slices existed for the outermost file, only eight key slices were needed to decrypt this file, but he only had access to seven key slices. DE 236 at 125-26; see also DE 236 at 114 (“The eight of 15 is the key that we’re talking about to regenerate all of the addresses”). After observing Dr. Wright’s demeanor and the lack of any other credible evidence in the record that this file exists, I find that a preponderance of the evidence establishes that no such file exists and that Dr. Wright’s testimony was intentionally false.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536/gov.uscourts.flsd.521536.277.0.pdf






The testimony is 'false' but just in case there is a 'Tulip Fund' he is still on the hook for the $2 Billion Dollars in BTC if he has access to such funds?

or

He has to pay the estate $2 Billion Dollars because they can prove he ripped off the Bitcoin?

or

Nothing comes of this, because when the time comes to pay (after 1/1/2020) Craig Wright (FakeSatoshi) will announce the 'evil' trustees of the

'supposed' Tulip Fund, has run off with the private keys and as such, as usual, he will 'claim' his bad luck and innocence and move onward and ever forward

with his fake claim to be Satoshi.

I mean, on any of the above is there any real consequences? (I refuse to believe he can pay the estate that is just too far fetched) but on his flat out lies?

Seems little or NO consequences in that this is a USA court and he is Australian.

Anyone, want to show me how he can be hung out to dry on his claims and/or how he can continue to get away with this scam, feel free to reply.

I've already heard from Craig Wright believers that because the court says he has to pay, regardless if he has/can find/or whatever with the BTC private keys,

he must be Satoshi! (the mind cringes from the lack of logic)

Anyway, seems to be still a muddled mess, he can squeak his way out of without any real consequences to his continued lies.

Brad
1122  Economy / Marketplace / Re: According to CMC, in 2019 crypto cap has tripled, and daily volumes passed $70B. on: August 28, 2019, 03:43:31 AM
The catch is people do not really KNOW what the crypto cap is on the crypto universe.

www.coinmarketcapcom with others is set to make a "Liquidity Ranking System".

While this is NOT a solution to volume as such, it 'should' make such values more legit, in regards to a 'better guess' of real volume in the crypto universe.

https://m.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/coinmarketcap-sets-november-target-date-for-new-liquidity-rankings-1964568

Real Volume as an example of Bitcoin is 'supposedly' not really known. It could 'really' be as

much as 90% of all crypto. This complicates the whole view, IMHO, by more than a little bit. See the below link:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-actually-dominates-90-market-204242452.html

Not sure how a person can really tell anything from either, but it is a start I guess.

Brad
1123  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin Mining on an APPLE II Computer! Highly Impractical Other Devices? Poll! on: August 27, 2019, 09:06:29 PM
Here is something from way back in 2013!

Mining Bitcoin on a Nintendo!

https://hackaday.com/2013/03/25/mining-bitcoins-on-a-nintendo/

So the question becomes, is this unit still working through all the updates since then, including the 'unexpected hard fork' back in the day?

https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-mine-bitcoin-with-your-mac/

The above is also 2013. Blows my mind how many Bitcoin you could mine with 'regular'  ASIC equipment in 2013!

Anyway, just an aside.

Brad
1124  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 27, 2019, 07:23:31 PM

And why do everyone here wear those stupid caps?

Correction, I’m the only one here wearing my stupid cap.
(Upsidedown ,but whatever....)


I'm a bad......person.....I am not wearing my cap for about $20 a week on a signature campaign.....(not sure why, I must just be truely clueless and evil) Sad

1125  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig Wright is official a fraud on: August 27, 2019, 07:02:01 PM
saw an article regarding this topic earlier and I wasn't surprised about the result of the case. it's about time CSW shut his mouth up.
I just can't believe the length people will go to just to get money.

I read the latest spin on this, is his loss on the trial means that the Judge has 'proved' he now is Satoshi!

Talk about putting a spin on things say the Craig Wright apologists! sheesh!

https://bitcoinist.com/with-50-percent-btc-to-be-forfeited-will-craig-wright-stop-playing-satoshi-now/

The most 'likely' result of this is that Craig Wright will say on Jan 1st, 2020 when supposedly he has access to the Satoshi Tulip Fund.

That the so-called 'Trustees' are not to be found! Gasp! They have run off with the private keys! Gasp! Alas, poor me with my 'bad' luck!

But he will still claim he is Satoshi! Send BTC to help me morn my loss! The trustee betrayal will now prove I'm Satoshi. (See altered docs) Smiley

The other part, that Craig Wright actually does have access to the Tulip Fund, well, that is too horrible to contemplate!

Ack! I scared myself with that last line above! Ack!

Brad
1126  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: My Situation: Mining LTC now and After Halving. Looking like meh! Take Poll! on: August 27, 2019, 06:54:48 PM
As of 8/27/2019.

This is how nuts stuff is yet for LTC/Scrypt Mining ASIC equipment.

Innsolicon A6+ with the PSU. This at 2.2gh at 2100 watts. At $3,000.00 USD.

https://www.innosilicon.com/html/a6+-miner/index.html

So using www.litecoinpool.org/calc with NO fee and payout of 103% to figure see results below:

The A6+ at 2.2gh at 2100 watts at 10c kWh at the current price of $72.79

for Litecoin. With NO underclocking/under-voltage, you get this:

                    Profitability Analysis
                           Expected Rewards          Cost     Net Profit
24 hours0.05026406 LTC   3.66 USD              5.04 USD    -1.38 USD
7 days   0.35184842 LTC   25.61 USD           35.28 USD     -9.67 USD
30 days   1.50792179 LTC   109.76 USD        151.20 USD   -41.44 USD

Innsolicon A6 with the PSU. This at 1.23gh at 1500 watts. At $2,000.00 USD.

https://www.innosilicon.com/html/a6-miner/index.html

So using www.litecoinpool.org/calc with NO fee and payout of 103% to figure below:

The A6 at 1.23 and 1500 watts at 10c kWh at the current price of $72.79

for Litecoin. With NO underclocking/under-voltage, you get this:

                      Profitability Analysis
                Expected Rewards           Costs         Net Profit
24 hours0.02810218 LTC   2.05 USD   3.60 USD   -1.55 USD
7 days   0.19671525 LTC   14.32 USD   25.20 USD   -10.88 USD
30 days   0.84306536 LTC   61.37 USD   108.00 USD -46.63 USD

This is without the coming 32.7% tariffs and import taxes in the USA!

Just thought this was so ugly, I had to share it. Also, looking at above,

if you have 1/2 of the electric costs of say 5c kWh, you still are underwater

on a 50% cut on the above in profits on this date. 8/27/19.

Yech!

Brad
1127  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Litecoin Likely to Double in Coming Months on: August 26, 2019, 04:39:09 PM
The last time when the bull market was persists in the year of 2017 Litecoin was achieved the highest ever above $300 from a mere value of $10 only. But, while now the bear market is hovering still it has not corrected that much as like the other coins. Simply traded at above $60. So, if a little hope will come to the market then it will definitely go the price of $200 maybe more possible after the 2020March.


Look at the last halving it took 1.5 years for the price to move much above $3.50 from the day of halving to that day 1.5 years later. Only after that did it pump and at that

time there were no forked coins like BCH and BSV and others like ETH, etc.

Litecoin better pick up the development pace and put in Mimblewimble or it is gonna get left in the dust before years end with the 60% of scrypt-miners (IMHO) of Bitmain L3+'s

all being turned off and unable to mine over the cost of electric.

gonna be ugly indeed

Brad
1128  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Whatsminer M20 is announced and available for pre-order on: August 25, 2019, 10:19:31 PM
I am 50-50 coin spilt   So my gear always earns  but  lets do some math...

How does this 50/50 work? Just for my education, I doubt it works now.

You buy the equipment and the data hall provides the power?

I assume you take the most risk on this because the Equipment has to ROI for this to make any sense to the data hall guy.

If the equipment you get doesn't float the boat he is not gonna pay electric at a loss.

I assume also, as partners you get his 'real' rates he pays himself for accounting purposes, etc.

Anyway, not like this is gonna work in the near future IMHO.

But is this something like the above or are their other 'catches'?

thanks, interesting take, assuming anything I said above has any merit on my guesses

Brad
1129  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Avast deleted block blk00129.dat from my chainlist on: August 25, 2019, 10:15:21 PM
That sucks mate... you can also try using one of the trusted data recovery software available online like Recuva. This way you might be able to recover the exact file that was deleted.


from my understanding, all he has to do is re-install from day one of the blockchain from 2009.

pain, but do'able with his backup dat file.

or at least I think that is the case, what happens on my Avast! unless when it comes up as virus I simply hit the exception on such.

Let me know if I'm utterly wrong on this.

Again, my wallets are always empty so I've no skin in the game above on doing such

Brad
1130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Avast deleted block blk00129.dat from my chainlist on: August 25, 2019, 04:57:09 PM
Hi everybody! During monitoring Avast suspected and deleted block blk00129.dat from my chain saying that this is kind of virus (AntiCad-4096). Now when I start bitcoin core I need to start download all blocks from the begginning. Maybe someone can upload this block on some shared file exchange platform like depositfiles.com? It's about 130 MG, not so big size.
Or maybe you tell me how to solve this problem. Any help will be appreciated.



You want to do the full install again, I'd not trust anyone sending me a 'block' to fix this, especially if you have crypto in the wallet of any amount.

You have to delete the BTC wallet and blockchain and re-install Bitcoin Core 18.0 I think it is now.

When you run Avast! it comes up as a virus which means you have to have that as an 'exception' and then it the virius checker moves on.

Do the same for any other triggered blocks by Avast!

You can try just updating over the top of the current install for the heck of it

save your backup/.dat file. I never have any BTC on my Computer Wallet. All goes to a paper wallet or Trezor for 'dust stuff'

Might be better to do this install on a different computer and just import the the backup .dat file.

Not a big deal, IF, you move stuff right away off of the wallet program to whatever.

I also don't leave any BTC on any exchanges at all. As a scary example of these rules, I moved BTC of Cryptopia like days before it went Kerplunk!

Thus, reinforced my lesson on that as well. Move your dust to a Trezor always and move your HODL stuff to a paper wallet for the big stuff

and just do above when checking your computer etc for using your laptop computer or whatever on Coinbase and take no more time than

it takes to move the stuff thru Coinbase or to a paper wallet or Trezor or whatever.

I keep spare Trezor codes and paper wallets in a bank safety deposit box with my brother as beneficiary ... I figure if  meteorite takes out the bank

safety deposit box at the bank the ASIC gods never wanted me to succeed at Bitcoin anyway.

Anyway, again, with an empty wallet and/or backup .dat on a complete install on using Avast! above with the stuff that comes up as an exception

I've not had any problems. But again, my wallet is always empty if it breaks in the above manner, I always back up dust and quite frankly anything

I get dust of otherwise goes to my BTC address in the safety deposit box for my Long term HODL plans, so I'm not tempted to spend any.

Hope this helps

Brad
1131  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FujiCoin 3.0 | Japan | Since 2014 | BlockBid - Bleutrade - Cryptopia on: August 24, 2019, 01:32:45 AM
I would like to be listed on the new exchange ATAIX. Please register for ATAIX and vote for Fujicoin. Please vote from the following page.  Smiley

https://ataix.com/voting?v=FJC


Sorry, big whoop! All of us on here only want to sell, don't want to buy, this coin is now deader than dead, sorry to say.

IF you made a mastercoin out of FJC and allowed conversion of FJC to masternodes, you'd at least get some action.

(at least I could 'play' masternode with my dead coin FJC for pennies on the $$ hosting)

Not sure if that does any good, but all I have. No other way. So it is that and some coding hooks to bring people back, but again

likely not gonna happen.

It's dead Jim!


You are free to think that Fujicoin is dead. However, isn't it rude to everyone to say it persistently in this community?
Again, Fujicoin never deviates from the basic specifications of Bitcoin.
 Smiley


I could say the same about your view. Last I looked millions of FJC for sale, and none selling weeks at a time.

What's a guy supposed to think?

brad
1132  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] FujiCoin 3.0 | Japan | Since 2014 | BlockBid - Bleutrade - Cryptopia on: August 23, 2019, 08:26:23 PM
I would like to be listed on the new exchange ATAIX. Please register for ATAIX and vote for Fujicoin. Please vote from the following page.  Smiley

https://ataix.com/voting?v=FJC


Sorry, big whoop! All of us on here only want to sell, don't want to buy, this coin is now deader than dead, sorry to say.

IF you made a mastercoin out of FJC and allowed conversion of FJC to masternodes, you'd at least get some action.

(at least I could 'play' masternode with my dead coin FJC for pennies on the $$ hosting)

Not sure if that does any good, but all I have. No other way. So it is that and some coding hooks to bring people back, but again

likely not gonna happen.

It's dead Jim!



1133  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: My Situation: Mining LTC now and After Halving. Looking like meh! Take Poll! on: August 23, 2019, 08:04:02 PM
Ive obviously been in the scrypt scene for a while so ill weigh in my 2 cents.

We are repeating the 2014-2017 cycle to the tee. We are already 30% down in hash power since the peak, so the same equipment is now only producing 20% fewer litecoins than they were before the halving. The halving has not pained the big boys yet since most of them are contract based. Once those expire or its time to renew power leases all remaining huge L3 farms that don't have free power will shutdown.

Anyone that has A6s or my Apollos will be producing more Litecoin in the coming months after the halving than before by end of the year. The only farms that can operate at scale at this point are the ones running in the 1W/MH range, which is only Apollos, A6s, and Shitmains internal L5s at this point.

I know most people can't see it, but these are the glory days of mining when you can accumulate a lot of cheap Litecoins, and we will probably be in this phase for another year if history continues to repeat itself before the next cycle starts.

Stop looking at what litecoin is worth vs fiat, and start looking at how much extra coin you are now mining off the same equipment. The only thing that matters is how many Litecoins you have, not how much they are worth today.


Well. I should just HODL the LTC I have I guess.

Right now what you say is almost impossible to do mining, assuming what you say comes to pass, it is likely better just for me to sell crap in the attic (attic mining) on eBay and convert

to LTC (or whatever) then get a miner at this point.

Below is mining LTC alone on underclocked L3+'s on www.litecoinpool.org/calc

2 L3+'s to a Bitmain PSU 1600 PSU

700mh

1400 watts

10c kWh at $75.44 LTC price

Profitability Analysis
   Expected Rewards   Costs   Net Profit
24 hours   0.01590738 LTC   1.20 USD   3.36 USD    -2.16 USD
7 days   0.11135164 LTC   8.40 USD   23.52 USD   -15.12 USD
30 days   0.47722131 LTC   36.00 USD   100.80 USD -64.80 USD


above at 8c kWh at $75.44 LTC price

Profitability Analysis
   Expected Rewards   Costs   Net Profit
24 hours   0.01590738 LTC   1.20 USD   2.69 USD   -1.49 USD
7 days   0.11135164 LTC   8.40 USD   18.82 USD   -10.42 USD
30 days   0.47722131 LTC   36.00 USD   80.64 USD   -44.64 USD

at 6c kWh at $75.44 LTC price

Profitability Analysis
   Expected Rewards   Costs   Net Profit
24 hours   0.01590738 LTC   1.20 USD   2.02 USD   -0.82 USD
7 days   0.11135164 LTC   8.40 USD   14.11 USD   -5.71 USD
30 days   0.47722131 LTC   36.00 USD   60.48 USD   -24.48 USD

at 4c kWh at $75.44 LTC price

Profitability Analysis
   Expected Rewards   Costs   Net Profit
24 hours   0.01590738 LTC   1.20 USD   1.34 USD   -0.14 USD
7 days   0.11135164 LTC   8.40 USD   9.41 USD   -1.01 USD
30 days   0.47722131 LTC   36.00 USD   40.32 USD   -4.32 USD

at 3.5c kWh at $75.44 LTC price (this breaks even at 2c a day profit vs electric)

Profitability Analysis
   Expected Rewards   Costs   Net Profit
24 hours   0.01590738 LTC   1.20 USD   1.18 USD   0.02 USD
7 days   0.11135164 LTC   8.40 USD   8.23 USD   0.17 USD
30 days   0.47722131 LTC   36.00 USD   35.28 USD   0.72 USD

So hell, 3.5c kWh for 72c a month profit over electric for 2 underclocked L3+'s?

sh*t

So I understand your point on the mining of LTC, but hell, better off just selling stuff around here from the attic and 'attic mine' to eBay. A pain in the ass, but at least

if something sells on eBay I probably for the hassle would get more than 2c a friggin day!  (again at the above 3.5c kWh)

Unsure how to get such a deal on 50/50 with a hosting place. I am fairly sure, that IF the hosting place is in the red he no longer does the 50/50 at his end, that would

be silly.

As to the more better Innsilicon units, they never frigging ROI at this point at these prices and of course the good old pre-orders now at 120 days. Also, notice the same

tricks on China ETA of Jan 2020 for some. They 'rarely' get equipment out in China around Jan/Feb of whatever year with taking a week off for the Chinese New Years,

so even cutting them a break, whatever a China Manufacturer says in that Jan 2020 timeline, I'd add at least 1 month. Seems always the case from past sales in this timeline.

Again, I understand where you are coming from, price vs LTC you can get.

But it is bad enough that math does not work with equipment anymore only buying and HODL...with some risk.

(again, my previous Voskcoin video slam'ing LTC on above post)

The real question is, with I think it was 97% of code just being modified by bitcoin core devs to LTC code and the upstarts of ETH and BCH and BSV.

Perhaps this lazzie-faire way of promoting and just following BTC as it is just does not cut it anymore and LTC is losing adoption to the above BTC clones and ETH.

So unless LTC really pulls out something on github as they state and/or do Mimblewimble for privacy (something bitcoin core has refused to do) and differentiate

themselves from BTC in some manner and show some dev progress.

Well, I too was around from 2013 onward and got a lot of LTC, but ordered the KNC Titan back in the day when 'briefly' LTC was over $10 ..then I got the unit(s) and

difficulty dumped as you say and the last man standing was these 'overpriced' (12K) scrypt-pow Titan Miners. Which I mined as you say a lot of LTC (which I converted

to BTC) because all the equipment makers at that $10 to $1.80 price pulled their units..so it was pretty much the only game in town. KNC titans with flat difficulty.

My tag line for 2015 was something like 'My Never to ROI piece of sh*t overpriced KNC Titans' or some such.

So sure, I could get a big ass 11k unit again from Innsilocon or whatever, and 'hope' nothing else comes down the pike for equipment...

but the odds are long indeed at the above return for L3+'s or any LTC equipment, especially with the 25.7% tariff.

below is from

Innosilicon A4+ LTCMaster
   
Nov 2017
   
620Mh/s
   
750W
   
80db
   
Scrypt
   
-$0.77/day
Bitmain Antminer L3+ (504Mh)
   
Jun 2017
   
504Mh/s
   
800W
   
70db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.08/day
FusionSilicon X6 Miner
   
Aug 2018
   
860Mh/s
   
1079W
   
72db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.16/day
Bitmain Antminer L3+ (600Mh)
   
Oct 2017
   
600Mh/s
   
850W
   
75db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.19/day
Bitmain Antminer L3++ (580Mh)
   
May 2018
   
580Mh/s
   
942W
   
76db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.30/day
BW L21
   
Jan 2018
   
550Mh/s
   
950W
   
75db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.37/day
Innosilicon A6+ LTCMaster
   
Mar 2019
   
2.2Gh/s
   
2100W
   
82db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.38/day
Bitmain Antminer L3++ (596Mh)
   
May 2018
   
596Mh/s
   
1050W
   
70db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.53/day
Innosilicon A6 LTCMaster
   
Jan 2018
   
1.23Gh/s
   
1500W
   
82db
   
Scrypt
   
-$1.55/day
Innosilicon A4 Dominator
   
Jul 2017
   
280Mh/s
   
1050W
   
75db
   
Scrypt
   
-$2.05/day

The above is from https://www.asicminervalue.com/

these are stock speeds but still sucks and at 10c kWh.

Scrypt-Pow equipment is just not possible, IMHO, at this point in time.

So I'd better see some REAL frigging github progress as Charlie Lee and LTC Foundation have stated and see Mimblewimble as they have claimed within a few months,

or I will simply call it noise.

This from my position of Moderator on www.litecointalk.io for crying out loud! This is in no way looks in any way as less than an epic cluster for LTC and

probably will determine how it survives as a legit top 25 coin in the next few months.

I'm talking before Jan of 2020 some real progress, if it is same old same old up till then, well, the price at that point will reflect this coin dying IMHO.

Brad




1134  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: My Situation: Mining LTC now and After Halving. Looking like meh! Take Poll! on: August 23, 2019, 02:42:33 AM
Just some things on mining LTC that are just not possible anymore in the USA at these prices.

Again, many people have said this on Bitcointalk, I'm hardly the first, but no LTC mining for me seems likely, no matter what the

price of electric until way into 2020 from what I can tell.

1) My Xcel Electic in the Midwest USA says that they have 10.3c kWh power. After fees/taxes/etc. When you divide your 'true'

electric bill into the total kWh used. The 'real' price for electric 'residential' is actual as of last month, $17.59c kWh. So beware of

stated electric use. Residential is out.  Electric costs, I'm still beyond screwed in the USA. The best rates in the USA for the data hall option,

I can get currently comes out between 9.5c and 10c kWh.

This is at my current data hall and when you add shipping my stuff to a new data hall at a lower rate of electric, with setup fees (usually $50 a unit).

At least in the 6-month short term, it all comes out in the wash about 9.5c-10c kWh averaged out and not worth the hassle of moving. Again, IMHO.

2) The USA the 25.7%  (tariff and import fees) until that goes away, we are sunk.

3) Thus (see above) prices for equipment is way, way too high for the current LTC and any crypto prices for the coin, IMHO.

4) the length of time for pre-order, according to Philipma1957 and others now common 120 days.

5) The lack of movement on Litecoin Development and LTC prices are in the dumps. See the below video from Voskcoin. He is brutal on LTC's prospects.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFiE4wkDvt0  I'd add to this rant that unless LTC gets Mimblewimble it is all over for this coin.

So like Voskcoin says in the above video, does not look good for long term prospects for LTC mining, no long Meh! now looks more like Groan!

So yeah, likely 2020 IF this coin can compete against BSV and BCH, as the silver to Bitcoin gold, it may be 2020 at best and/or never before I get

another LTC miner, again, if ever!

Brad
1135  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Litecoin Likely to Double in Coming Months on: August 22, 2019, 09:21:32 PM
If miner 'capitulation' leads as folk say to a higher-priced coin. (Trends mostly with BTC in the past).

Then the question becomes, is there enough 'adoption' of Litecoin for this to matter?

Perhaps, due to 60% or more of all LTC scypt-pow miners being the Bitmain L3+, which are currently dumping off-network (or will soon)

due to price vs difficulty.

Perhaps, anyone else that has something better or more efficient or better electric rates (fewer then 4c kWh at current dismal LTC prices, from what I can tell)

Those 'remaining' and 'non-bitmain' LTC-scrypt pow units, might just make plenty of money at $60 LTC prices.

Thus adoption and/or speculation has to pull LTC out of this hole, or we are in another 2-year big hurt of 'sideways' prices and  dubious mining like in the past

for a couple of years..for the next 2 years or so. Rinse/Wash/Repeat.

Which the other point, though I hate to say it. The previous times this happened (last halving) LTC really was Silver to Bitcoin's Gold.

But perhaps, those days are gone (the horror/ack!) and the replacement Silver to Gold alternatives are Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin SV. (Sorry to say).

Thus, Litecoin fades and is replaced by such.

So LTC needs speculation and adoption folks, but just not seeing it at this point in time.

(beat me up, show me I'm an idiot, but I mean really, LTC after years can't even match BSV's crypto prices?)

Brad
1136  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / MOVED: Bitcoin Mining on an APPLE II Computer! Highly Impractical Other Devices? Poll! on: August 22, 2019, 08:48:05 PM
Legacy BTC Mining on odd devices. Apple II and apollo moon computer etc. Retro. Was mistakenly put under altcoins. Smiley

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5175622.0
1137  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 20, 2019, 05:23:10 PM
Jbreher grand world monetary reset may be coming sooner than later.

Maybe. My preparations have been in for decades. I ain't trying to time this crash.

I too see a recession on the horizon.

for what I think will be then next recession. Not selling any BTC/Crypto though.

I mean a recession is a 20% hit against your traditional investments, I figure 40% hit myself, a deep recession.

A 'deep recession' is categorically different from a grand monetary reset.

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So hell, as coping mechanisms, as my way to stumble through life crutch, what am I going to do next?

Water. (I think this is a major weakness of most preparations. While you can't really move it if you need to move, it can make the difference between being able to shelter in place, and needing to move.)
Bullets, Bandages, and Beans.
Fitness.
Defensible space.
Practical skills knowledge.
Small denomination real money. I'm american, so pre-1964 coinage (silver) for me.

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Build a bunker under the house and/or learn how to can veggies?

Sure. Don't just learn - set in a supply.

I"m not that far gone yet for the above.

But more power to you.

If it gets so bad as I need to do the above, I will 'become' a minimalist and everything goes and it would likely be

out of the country for me. Bitcoin would be damn handy under that scenario, bunker-less, I may be Smiley

But then again, not slamming your viewpoint, I mean looking at the current political climate in the USA and elsewhere, I could

come over to your view at any time now. Sad

1138  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTB Bitseed Ver 1 on: August 20, 2019, 05:11:00 PM
Sent you a pm on reflection.

I'm just gonna keep it, its broken and ugly and needs a complete rebuild.

The problem with bitseed is they are going under. Also in the 3 years

I've had mine, it has choked 3x. This 3rd time no reply from bitseed. So I assume if you did take my

unit, you'd just be getting the box/1gb sd and a Raspberry Pi 2 (I think it was).

Thus, you would have to re-build anyway and the only thing you'd be paying for is the parts/box.

Hardly worth it.

So don't want to stick someone with this (now unworking and needs rebuild) or later (when they go under and not supported)

Anyway, pm me if you want to build a unit with a pi and SD card etc.

But with my unit, at this point in time, it probably stay my clusterf*** project, and I should fix it myself and just use it again.

A build should easily cost under $100 with a fancy case and everything, IMHO.

later

Brad
1139  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 20, 2019, 04:46:18 PM
This time we are about one month past all time highs in stocks and seeing the first parabolic spike since the 2008 recession.

The money printer in chief is once again going ape shit as Im sure visions of his recession induced casino bankruptcies are still fresh in his head.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163472273388576768

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1163472272612626433

Jbreher grand world monetary reset may be coming sooner than later.

Maybe. My preparations have been in for decades. I ain't trying to time this crash.

I took about 40K of my traditional investments, to complete siding window/etc on the house. Stick that value in the house as a hedge. Also

moderate/low risk now to maintain mode that I've retired, in the traditional stocks

Just to take some of the 'cream' off the top, I too see a recession on the horizon.

for what I think will be then next recession. Not selling any BTC/Crypto though.

I mean a recession is a 20% hit against your traditional investments, I figure 40% hit myself, a deep recession.

So what, I'm gonna panic sell BTC and take a 25% hit on capital gains, then put it into traditional stocks and see maybe a 20% to 40% drop in value

on doing such. So the possibility (IMHO) likely I'd see my BTC/Crypto moved to go down in value after this conversion between (if recession) 45% and 65%

in value. On this likely wrong bet? Just in time to likely (IMHO) watch Bitcoin/Crypto shoot up in value or at the worst go sideways?

So I've made my bets on the above and still in HODL mode. (Moon or Doom!).

Anyway, debts paid, above done as a coping mechanism, traditional investments set for my view the coming recession. BTC/Crypto in full HODL and accumulation mode.

So hell, as coping mechanisms, as my way to stumble through life crutch, what am I going to do next?

Build a bunker under the house and/or learn how to can veggies? Running out of hedges for what I see coming, so I guess accumulate more if possible is my new

hedge/coping mechanism, that seems to give me comfort and hedge against whatever springs to mind. Smiley

whatever, my die has been tossed

Brad
1140  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: WTB Bitseed Ver 1 on: August 20, 2019, 04:29:22 PM
Still looking for a Bitseed v1... if you have one for sale, pls PM

Thanks

I've got one. It needs to be updated and probably re-worked. I contacted them for help but has been a no go so far.

What do you want to pay for this puppy?

Original price for me in USD was $135 with shipping I believe back in the day. I do have the replacement 1gb SD version drive at least, maybe a 2gb? But 1gb for sure.

I did do a web site backup of their site and recommend you get HTTRACK web site copier (freeware) and grab the site and their files. They are going under

they said. I got one here someplace but would be better for you to be pro-active and grab your own copy.

Hell, I probably should not even sell this. We probably should just get together and re-work my unit and/or you just

build a unit from scratch. Thus, figure out how to keep up a node completely by ourselves for the next time they hic-up.

Which, seems to happen 1x a year.

Again, a person, even with a Bitseed, should probably just go online and re-build according to how you set up with whatever

particular Raspberry Pi and whatever is needed, just to stay ahead of the process and learn how to be more pro-active on this stuff

when things go sideways on the Pi and the node. Again, which happens. Price would likely be the same, and as I state, I assume

mine needs (and probably everyone else's at this point) needs a complete re-build of some kind at this point in time.

For all I know getting the new Raspberry Pi and just re-build may be the NEW way to do this with nodes at this point in time.

Anyway, contact me here or pm on above in whatever you wish to do. Build one, buy mine, work on building 2 between us that match...

etc, etc.

More stuff to do. sigh. Sad

Brad
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