Flat Earth

[nomad13666]

Flat Earth and the Forgotten Flights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUxQTVvChVs

RESEARCH FLAT EARTH - Southern hemisphere flight & shipping routes
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=flat+earth+southern+hemisphere+flight+shipping+routes

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[nomad13666]

[exemplaar]

For all who are still in doubt-You know that spinning ball earth makes no sense, but still you are not sure about flat earth:

FLAT EARTH - VERY SIMPLE BUT VERY COMPELLING PROOF - YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA

[protokol]

Scientists have discovered an exoplanet located closest to the Earth, which is suitable for life. It is an object Proxima B orbiting Proxima Centauri. Astronomers were able to detect exoplanet located closest to the solar system, which is very similar to Earth and suitable for life.

If said planet's orbit was tilted ever so slightly, we wouldn't have been able to detect it with today's technology. Hell, we wouldn't have seen it if we were on the other side of sun when the discovered planet passed in front of it's sun. Like I've alluded to a few posts up, the odds are, dare I say, astronomical.

Again, I'm not a Flat-Earther, but shit sometimes doesn't add up.

You're describing the method of "transit photometry", which you correctly state can only be observed if the orbit of the planet is aligned with our viewpoint.

However, there are many other ways of detecting exoplanets which do not rely on this alignment. For example, "Radial Velocity", which detects the wobble of a stars movement which is determined by planets orbiting around it. There is also "Gravitational Microlensing", which a closer star magnifies and distorts the image of a distant star - this effect is affected slightly by an exoplanet orbiting the closer star, allowing measurements of the exoplanet to be recorded. Yet another method is "Direct Imaging" - literally being able to see directly the radiation output of the exoplanet itself.

There are many other ways of detecting exoplanets, but these are the main ones I think. The wikipedia page goes into a bit more detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_detecting_exoplanets
Here's an article describing the methods I just talked about: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-do-astronomers-actually-find-exoplanets-180950105/

[nomad13666]

Scientists have discovered an exoplanet located closest to the Earth, which is suitable for life. It is an object Proxima B orbiting Proxima Centauri. Astronomers were able to detect exoplanet located closest to the solar system, which is very similar to Earth and suitable for life.

If said planet's orbit was tilted ever so slightly, we wouldn't have been able to detect it with today's technology. Hell, we wouldn't have seen it if we were on the other side of sun when the discovered planet passed in front of it's sun. Like I've alluded to a few posts up, the odds are, dare I say, astronomical.

Again, I'm not a Flat-Earther, but shit sometimes doesn't add up.

You're describing the method of "transit photometry", which you correctly state can only be observed if the orbit of the planet is aligned with our viewpoint.

However, there are many other ways of detecting exoplanets which do not rely on this alignment. For example, "Radial Velocity", which detects the wobble of a stars movement which is determined by planets orbiting around it. There is also "Gravitational Microlensing", which a closer star magnifies and distorts the image of a distant star - this effect is affected slightly by an exoplanet orbiting the closer star, allowing measurements of the exoplanet to be recorded. Yet another method is "Direct Imaging" - literally being able to see directly the radiation output of the exoplanet itself.

There are many other ways of detecting exoplanets, but these are the main ones I think. The wikipedia page goes into a bit more detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_detecting_exoplanets
Here's an article describing the methods I just talked about: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-do-astronomers-actually-find-exoplanets-180950105/

Holy fuck, no wonder I had you on ignore. Back you go, Shlomo.



PS; let us know when the Vatican spots Satan Claus with their Lucifer telescope 

NAZI NASA - Space is Fake - It's a Hoax To Control Your Mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwibj337i2U

[nomad13666]

For all who are still in doubt-You know that spinning ball earth makes no sense, but still you are not sure about flat earth:

FLAT EARTH - VERY SIMPLE BUT VERY COMPELLING PROOF - YOU'RE GONNA LOVE THIS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHJ8QowrcIA

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Good vid. Thank you.

[nomad13666]

[nomad13666]

Millions and billions and trillions of frauds, oh my!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJHSIhNYJE

[Mersedes]

Millions and billions and trillions of frauds, oh my!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJHSIhNYJE

Surely you are not alone, and your opinion is supported by many. I dare say the opposite is also very much courage. I do not know what to call and how to relate to those people who have a different point of view about the structure of our land.

[montaga]

You know who likes to ignore people ? It's other people that have their core-beliefs threatened, and their ego will not allow them to accept that they are wrong.

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

1. The Moon
2. Ships and the Horizon
3. Varying Star Constellations
4. Shadows and Sticks
5. Seeing Farther from Higher
6. Ride a Plane
7. Look at Other Planets
8. The Existence of Timezones
9. The Center of Gravity
10. Images from Space

I can't believe I actually have to post this stuff to rebuff the loons.

Oh, boy it's going to be a rude awakening. Very quick intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFj7_1HhiSI
But don't worry you will deal with all the different emotions like the rest off us have a long time ago.

Moon is not someting you can walk on. Lunar waves and stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mi0w8bLtUM
You second kindergarden claim is perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaiw-G1VGE
Yes north star has been on same place forever and all others revolve around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT4BxNZqybA
Number 4 the vid just before your post deals with that load of crap
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[nomad13666]

[nomad13666]

Research fake rockets & space
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=fake+rockets+fake+space

[notbatman]

Since we're on a YouTube video posting frenzy, I've got one I'd like to link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BGp9atbw9Y

Absolute proof the Earth is motionless; six hours of uncut video of a universally mounted gyroscope. It does not move, not even a fraction of a degree.

[notbatman]

You know who likes to ignore people ? It's other people that have their core-beliefs threatened, and their ego will not allow them to accept that they are wrong.

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

1. The Moon
2. Ships and the Horizon
3. Varying Star Constellations
4. Shadows and Sticks
5. Seeing Farther from Higher
6. Ride a Plane
7. Look at Other Planets
8. The Existence of Timezones
9. The Center of Gravity
10. Images from Space

I can't believe I actually have to post this stuff to rebuff the loons.

I believe I've already addressed these ten issues, here's a re-post:

...[clip]...
Source: http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

1. The Moon Over the Flat Earth

• The Moon and the Sun in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse (this also proves the existence of a third celestial object; The Black Sun).
• The wrong side of the Moon occulted during an eclipse.
• The cooling effects of Moonlight prove it's not reflected sunlight.
• The distance to the Moon as measured by a sextant using plane trigonometry is ~3k miles.
• Stars are sometimes visible through the Moon.
• Clouds are sometimes visible behind the Moon.
• The NASA Moon landing is a proven hoax.

2. Ships and the Flat Horizon

• When a ship disappears beyond the horizon it's due to perspective and having traveled past the vanishing point.

3. Seeing Stars

• The north star Polaris is visible south of the equator as far as the tropic of Capricorn; impossible on a spherical Earth.
• Airy's Failure experiment proves the Earth is stationary.
• Polaris has not moved in thousands of years; proven by ancient Sun dials.

4. Sticks and Shadows Will Break their Skull and Bones

• A sundial made from a stick that casts a shadow and used to determine solar time proves the heliocentric model is impossible by revealing the path of the Sun through the sky.
• The example given by two sticks casting shadows à la Eratosthenes can be easily explained by a geocentric flat Earth.

5. You Can See Farther from Higher on a Flat Earth

• You can see father from higher up due to perspective as the vanishing point distance is a function of elevation of the eye/camera from the ground.

6. Ride a Plane Over the Plane

• An airplane can fly in a circle over the circular face of the flat Earth without stopping.
• The windows in an airplane are curved and distort the image you see creating the illusion of a curved horizon.
• Flight paths make no sense on a globe but make perfect sense on a flat Earth.
• There's no GPS tracking of airplanes in the southern "hemisphere" proving GPS is actually Earth based.
• Flight times don't jive with distances traveled in the southern "hemisphere".
• Gyroscopic compasses on-board airplanes prove the Earth is flat.

7. Observation of Other Planets

• Observation of planets shows them to be lights in the sky.
• Close observation of planets by amateur astronomers with telescopic equipment reveals images that contradict those provided by NASA and the establishment, especially those of Venus.
• Computer simulation of planetary orbits based on the heliocentric model results in chaos.

8. Flat Earth Time Zone

• The Sun rises and sets due to perspective; emerging from and disappearing into the vanishing point at the horizon. This results in the various timezones during its circular orbit above the flat Earth.
• If the Earth were a rotating sphere completing one revolution every 24 hours the Sun would be over head at midnight every ~180 days.

9. Density Not Gravity

• An object that's denser than air will fall.
• An object that's less dense than air will rise.

10. Images Not From Space

• Images taken by amateurs with balloons all show a flat horizon that rises to eye/camera level and a Sun with a hotspot under it.
• All NASA/establishment photos are taken at high altitude with a wide angle fisheye lens or are fake/CGI/composites.
• Satellites and outer-space itself are a hoax; GPS is achieved via cell towers, satellite TV signals are bounced off the dome or are ground based and all international data is transmitted via undersea cables.

Popular Science <--- #REKT

[BADecker]

You know who likes to ignore people ? It's other people that have their core-beliefs threatened, and their ego will not allow them to accept that they are wrong.

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

1. The Moon
2. Ships and the Horizon
3. Varying Star Constellations
4. Shadows and Sticks
5. Seeing Farther from Higher
6. Ride a Plane
7. Look at Other Planets
8. The Existence of Timezones
9. The Center of Gravity
10. Images from Space

I can't believe I actually have to post this stuff to rebuff the loons.

I believe I've already addressed these ten issues, here's a re-post:

...[clip]...
Source: http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

1. The Moon Over the Flat Earth

• The Moon and the Sun in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse (this also proves the existence of a third celestial object; The Black Sun).
• The wrong side of the Moon occulted during an eclipse.
• The cooling effects of Moonlight prove it's not reflected sunlight.
• The distance to the Moon as measured by a sextant using plane trigonometry is ~3k miles.
• Stars are sometimes visible through the Moon.
• Clouds are sometimes visible behind the Moon.
• The NASA Moon landing is a proven hoax.

2. Ships and the Flat Horizon

• When a ship disappears beyond the horizon it's due to perspective and having traveled past the vanishing point.

3. Seeing Stars

• The north star Polaris is visible south of the equator as far as the tropic of Capricorn; impossible on a spherical Earth.
• Airy's Failure experiment proves the Earth is stationary.
• Polaris has not moved in thousands of years; proven by ancient Sun dials.

4. Sticks and Shadows Will Break their Skull and Bones

• A sundial made from a stick that casts a shadow and used to determine solar time proves the heliocentric model is impossible by revealing the path of the Sun through the sky.
• The example given by two sticks casting shadows à la Eratosthenes can be easily explained by a geocentric flat Earth.

5. You Can See Farther from Higher on a Flat Earth

• You can see father from higher up due to perspective as the vanishing point distance is a function of elevation of the eye/camera from the ground.

6. Ride a Plane Over the Plane

• An airplane can fly in a circle over the circular face of the flat Earth without stopping.
• The windows in an airplane are curved and distort the image you see creating the illusion of a curved horizon.
• Flight paths make no sense on a globe but make perfect sense on a flat Earth.
• There's no GPS tracking of airplanes in the southern "hemisphere" proving GPS is actually Earth based.
• Flight times don't jive with distances traveled in the southern "hemisphere".
• Gyroscopic compasses on-board airplanes prove the Earth is flat.

7. Observation of Other Planets

• Observation of planets shows them to be lights in the sky.
• Close observation of planets by amateur astronomers with telescopic equipment reveals images that contradict those provided by NASA and the establishment, especially those of Venus.
• Computer simulation of planetary orbits based on the heliocentric model results in chaos.

8. Flat Earth Time Zone

• The Sun rises and sets due to perspective; emerging from and disappearing into the vanishing point at the horizon. This results in the various timezones during its circular orbit above the flat Earth.
• If the Earth were a rotating sphere completing one revolution every 24 hours the Sun would be over head at midnight every ~180 days.

9. Density Not Gravity

• An object that's denser than air will fall.
• An object that's less dense than air will rise.

10. Images Not From Space

• Images taken by amateurs with balloons all show a flat horizon that rises to eye/camera level and a Sun with a hotspot under it.
• All NASA/establishment photos are taken at high altitude with a wide angle fisheye lens or are fake/CGI/composites.
• Satellites and outer-space itself are a hoax; GPS is achieved via cell towers, satellite TV signals are bounced off the dome or are ground based and all international data is transmitted via undersea cables.

Popular Science <--- #REKT

None of this stuff proves anything, and doesn't even show the things you are saying.

Nobody is going to sit around all day and show you how silly your points are. Science has bypassed this long ago.

If you are not going to accept the proofs of modern science, or do the tests yourself so that you prove them to yourself, who in the world is going to sit around and play this game with you? Go back to school.

[Karloff]

You know who likes to ignore people ? It's other people that have their core-beliefs threatened, and their ego will not allow them to accept that they are wrong.

http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

1. The Moon
2. Ships and the Horizon
3. Varying Star Constellations
4. Shadows and Sticks
5. Seeing Farther from Higher
6. Ride a Plane
7. Look at Other Planets
8. The Existence of Timezones
9. The Center of Gravity
10. Images from Space

I can't believe I actually have to post this stuff to rebuff the loons.

I believe I've already addressed these ten issues, here's a re-post:

...[clip]...
Source: http://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

1. The Moon Over the Flat Earth

• The Moon and the Sun in the sky at the same time during a lunar eclipse (this also proves the existence of a third celestial object; The Black Sun).

[/li]
[li] Stars are sometimes visible through the Moon.[/li]
[li] Clouds are sometimes visible behind the Moon.[/li]
[li] The NASA Moon landing is a proven hoax.[/li]
[/list]

2. Ships and the Flat Horizon

• When a ship disappears beyond the horizon it's due to perspective and having traveled past the vanishing point.

3. Seeing Stars

• The north star Polaris is visible south of the equator as far as the tropic of Capricorn; impossible on a spherical Earth.
• Airy's Failure experiment proves the Earth is stationary.
• Polaris has not moved in thousands of years; proven by ancient Sun dials.

4. Sticks and Shadows Will Break their Skull and Bones

• A sundial made from a stick that casts a shadow and used to determine solar time proves the heliocentric model is impossible by revealing the path of the Sun through the sky.
• The example given by two sticks casting shadows à la Eratosthenes can be easily explained by a geocentric flat Earth.

5. You Can See Farther from Higher on a Flat Earth

• You can see father from higher up due to perspective as the vanishing point distance is a function of elevation of the eye/camera from the ground.

6. Ride a Plane Over the Plane

• An airplane can fly in a circle over the circular face of the flat Earth without stopping.
• The windows in an airplane are curved and distort the image you see creating the illusion of a curved horizon.
• Flight paths make no sense on a globe but make perfect sense on a flat Earth.
• There's no GPS tracking of airplanes in the southern "hemisphere" proving GPS is actually Earth based.
• Flight times don't jive with distances traveled in the southern "hemisphere".
• Gyroscopic compasses on-board airplanes prove the Earth is flat.

7. Observation of Other Planets

• Observation of planets shows them to be lights in the sky.
• Close observation of planets by amateur astronomers with telescopic equipment reveals images that contradict those provided by NASA and the establishment, especially those of Venus.
• Computer simulation of planetary orbits based on the heliocentric model results in chaos.

8. Flat Earth Time Zone

• The Sun rises and sets due to perspective; emerging from and disappearing into the vanishing point at the horizon. This results in the various timezones during its circular orbit above the flat Earth.
• If the Earth were a rotating sphere completing one revolution every 24 hours the Sun would be over head at midnight every ~180 days.

9. Density Not Gravity

• An object that's denser than air will fall.
• An object that's less dense than air will rise.

10. Images Not From Space

• Images taken by amateurs with balloons all show a flat horizon that rises to eye/camera level and a Sun with a hotspot under it.
• All NASA/establishment photos are taken at high altitude with a wide angle fisheye lens or are fake/CGI/composites.
• Satellites and outer-space itself are a hoax; GPS is achieved via cell towers, satellite TV signals are bounced off the dome or are ground based and all international data is transmitted via undersea cables.

Popular Science <--- #REKT

None of this stuff proves anything, and doesn't even show the things you are saying.

Nobody is going to sit around all day and show you how silly your points are. Science has bypassed this long ago.

If you are not going to accept the proofs of modern science, or do the tests yourself so that you prove them to yourself, who in the world is going to sit around and play this game with you? Go back to school.

Probably it is necessary to see this information, at least in order to understand how and what people argue about what the world thinks differently. Are there real differences of opinion.

[Gleb Gamow]

How do Flat-Earthers explain the opposite direction of water exiting through a drain in the north and south hemishperes?

[CoinCube]

This thread is the most amusing thing I have seen in a while. A baffling total and utter disregard for thinking.

Coriolis force: Don't hurt your head just watch my YouTube video.
Cavendish Experiment: Must be conspiracy check out my YouTube video.
Eratosthenes' Calculation: Law of physics must be wrong check out my YouTube video and pretty pictures.

What people are not buying the YouTube videos? Uh-oh quick pull out the clown photos and the gay jokes maybe they will just go away.

[SidaroffVany]

If allowed to fight with anyone who preaches atheism and obscurantism is why we defend the truth about the Flat Earth? Is there something in common.

[CoinCube]

If allowed to fight with anyone who preaches atheism and obscurantism is why we defend the truth about the Flat Earth? Is there something in common.

There is nothing wrong with exploring alternative viewpoints and deploying logic and reason to support what you believe in.
However, that is not what I have seen in this thread.

Dogmatism is the tendency to lay down principles as incontrovertibly true, without evaluation or consideration of contradictory evidence. All of the arguments I have seen so far for Flat Earth are pure dogmatism. Flat Earth advocates believe that the world is flat without any real evidence. To make matters worse they have no coherent response to all of the contradictory evidence (and there is a lot) that falsifies Flat Earth. The believer of Flat Earth must close his eyes to science and empirical data. This is only possible if you dismiss all the conflicting data as falsified its proponents part of a global conspiracy or useful stooges.    

The only ground I see in common is a willingness to question widely accepted beliefs which is a good trait. However, Flat Earth is easily falsified and if you choose to believe in something that is easily falsified others will not take you seriously. This is especially true if the best response you have such challenges are insults and links to YouTube videos.