Martin Armstrong Discussion

[TPTB_need_war]

BitcoinForumator,

Thank you. That was excellent and I am confident you gained more interest in that video you linked up thread and including piquing my interest. I just don't know if I can get myself to struggle with listening to him with that heavy accent, but I probably will given your summary.

It is also important to settle the question if today's Russia leadership is ruled by zionists. He argues that's not the case...

This is the key point I have been thinking about too, because Antony Sutton researched how the Zionist bankers had sponsored the Bolshevik revolution and seemed to me they had infiltrated the elite in Russia. I have been told Larry Summers was over there after the fall of the USSR helping distribute the denationalized industries to the current oligarchy that run Russia.

What is his counter logic?

Note in the Kissinger video I linked below he explains how Russia is different than the other countries in the West. Very insightful. He also explains that China doesn't want to occupy territories, but rather influence them through trade. He says Asians think fixing a mess makes a worse mess. He said Westerns prefer occupation and fixing everyone's problems. This ties back into my past comments about how Westerners think man is in control and can fix everything. And Asians prefer to rent and follow the cycle of nature.

This wasn't happening even months ago, let alone years. The American Isis, Syrian debacle has revealed the plan so much that it's obvious to almost everyone.

So my point on your view that Europeans are totally in slumber is just your theory that is made from incomplete data.

But at what stage are they in the development of any action? You see by the time they are ready to act it will already be such a big mess that the hardcore neo-nazis might already be more popular.

And how are they going to balance their liberal leanings with the realization that they should be more conservative?

Americans have been working on preparing for decades, while the Europeans have been busy getting as drunk as possible on socialism and vacationing.

Where can I meet the mythical Europeans? I don't ever come across any of them. Where are they? Point me to some.

It's getting interesting, doesn't look like it's going to slow down now.



Will the west get sucked into an un-winnable war trying to fight off spot fires all over the world, while also being swamped/overrun and fucked sideways by the effects of socialism and civil wars.. ?

I think it's the rise and fall of islamic empires, I found it interesting how it is rising as the west declines 2016 - 2021

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/tag/islam

I think it's the rise and fall of islamic empires, I found it interesting how it is rising as the west declines 2016 - 2021

You caused me to realize that "empires" is the key word, and not economy. The (confidence in the) empire of Islam is increasing, not necessarily the economy of Islamic peoples or nations. The implication is it would rise with the War Cycle if not corresponding to an economic gain, because in this case increasing Islamic empire requires some conquering of the Western empire for the gain.

The Persian empire is rising?

Kissinger explains that Persia (Iran) has a rich ancient culture and had retained its own language and didn't adopt Arabic. He thinks it is impossible to stop Iran from having nuclear weapons and this will incentivize every significant nation in the Middle East will thus obtain them to remain at parity:

https://youtu.be/wooGL__-OvA?t=1825

Thus he and our think tanks think Israel will get overrun and cease to exist as follows...


http://www.presstv.com/detail/2012/10/01/264485/no-more-israel-in-10-years-kissinger/

In 10 years, there will be no more Israel: Kissinger

The idea of Israel’s inexorable collapse is no longer a taboo as more top brass US officials are explicitly attesting to the fact, with prominent US diplomat Henry Kissinger saying, “In 10 years, there will be no more Israel.” “Kissinger's statement is flat and unqualified. He is not saying that Israel is in danger, but could be saved if we just gave it additional trillions of dollars and smashed enough of its enemies with our military.… He is not offering a way out. He is simply stating a fact: In 2022, Israel will no longer exist,” political columnist Kevin Barrett wrote in an article published on Press TV website on Sunday. He also pointed to a study commissioned by the US Intelligence Community (IC), comprised of 16 US intelligence agencies, earlier this year, titled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East,” and pointed out that the content of the IC’s report corroborates Kissinger's contention. “The sixteen US intelligence agencies agree that Israel cannot withstand the coming pro-Palestinian juggernaut consisting of the Arab Spring, the Islamic Awakening, and the rise of the Islamic Republic of Iran,” the analyst added. The IC report contends that the US government no longer has the military and financial resources “to continue propping up Israel against the wishes of more than a billion of its neighbors” and suggests that “the US will have to follow its own national interests and pull the plug on Israel,” Barrett said. Considering the fact that the Jewish Kissinger has long been viewed as an ardent friend of Israel and that the majority of US officials, including the authors of the IC report, are influenced by pro-Israeli lobby, the emerging messages become more remarkable, the article added. The article argues that the emerging “complacency” among the US officials about Israel’s fate can be traced in the following reasons: ·   American politicians and political activists “are growing fed-up with Israeli intransigence and fanaticism.” ·   Americans feel “festering resentment over the Israel lobby's imperious domination of public discourse.” ·   “The American Jewish community is no longer united in support of Israel.” ·   It is becoming a common knowledge that Israel and its supporters carried out the 9/11 false-flag attacks. “In fact, the US is going broke and sacrificing thousands of lives in wars for Israel - wars that damage, rather than aid, US strategic interests,” the article said. “It will become ever-easier for American policymakers, following in the footsteps of Kissinger and the sixteen intelligence agencies, to recognize the obvious: Israel has reached the end of its shelf-life,” Barrett concluded. ASH/SS/AZ


The Bible may have spoken of this depending how one interprets it. Again I am not saying this is science, I am just looking at.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+13

Revelation 13Common English Bible (CEB)

13 1 and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads.

3 One of its heads appeared to have been slain and killed, but its deadly wound was healed. So the whole earth was amazed and followed the beast.

The ten horns (the Ten Kings) could be the 10 major nations of the world, and the 7 heads could be the 7 major regions of the word (North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Middle East, Africa, Oceania).

This appears to be the period coming as the West falls and we have a multi-polar world with regions and a few strong nations. We will be moving towards a world government, but not all the way there.

The beast from the land

11 Then I saw another beast coming up from the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it was speaking like a dragon. 12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence. It also makes the earth and those who live in it worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 13 It does great signs so that it even makes fire come down from heaven to earth in the presence of the people. 14 It deceives those who live on earth by the signs that it was allowed to do in the presence of the beast. It told those who live on earth to make an image for the beast who had been wounded by the sword and yet came to life again. 15 It was allowed to give breath to the beast’s image so that the beast’s image would even speak and cause anyone who didn’t worship the beast’s image to be put to death. 16 It forces everyone—the small and great, the rich and poor, the free and slaves—to have a mark put on their right hand or on their forehead. 17 It will not allow anyone to make a purchase or sell anything unless the person has the mark with the beast’s name or the number of its name. 18 This calls for wisdom. Let the one who understands calculate the beast’s number, for it’s a human being’s number. Its number is six hundred sixty-six.

This appears to be the coming world government. The wound on one of its head might be Israel in the region of the Middle East which is either removed or driven back to its 1968 borders by 2022.

[TPTB_need_war]

I've watched all the vids and I don't think they show that 9/11 is a Zionist israeli Mossad plot.

There is one video that unequivocally details that 9/11 was a pre-planned demolition job with very, very high probability of no other explanation being valid.

The next question is who is responsible for that operation. There is a video that details the connections of Zionists to all the key elements of the first video mentioned above. I do not know how you could possibly come to a conclusion that the Zionists are not disproportionately involved in that operation?

The next question is who has the discipline and skill to accomplish this and keep everyone from talking. That doesn't leave many choices of whom would be appropriate and close enough to the key actors such as Silverstein who is identified above. Thus Israel's Mossad in cahoots with some neo-cons (Bush, Cheney, etc) is with high probability responsible for 9/11. As I quoted in my prior post, even 16 of the brightest in the USA think tank also admit this is so.

The neo-cons and Israel's leadership were very, very likely responsible for 9/11. They had every incentive to do this, to try to keep the Americans and the world fighting for Zionism, multiculturalism, etc. They were pushing this chaos in the Middle East as far as they could in order to drive for the globalist control aims. Maximizing the severity of the chaos from 2016 to 2024 is central to their goals for bringing the world to its knees and also breaking down those societies which had the potential to resist their rule. They profit on war. They specialize on war and covert operations. Don't forget former POTUS Bush was a CIA director before he became President.

total Zionist conspiracy doesn't make sense when Schuer talks about an unstable Syria working against Israeli interests. Israel is surrounded by 5 Muslim countries; a reason for their inbuilt fears (played on by Bibi et al since the murder of Rabin & 'giving back' of Gaza). With Hezbollah to the north and unstable Egypt to the south the last thing they'd want post Arab Spring is a power vacuum in Syria (like Iraq).

You are confused because you refused to consider Rothschild, etc.. You close your mind thus you miss important points.

The Zionists elite don't give a fuck about the end o fState of Israel. It was a tool to an end, not the goal. They are going to sacrifice it (the wound on the head of the Beast) in order to get their world government. It was just a pawn on their chess board. They used it to corrupt the world as I had explained. You should go back to my original post and read it again more slowly.

Those elite are playing all sides off each other. Divide and conquer.

Further, entities like PNAC show that capture of resources plays a huge part in US Empire Building, and access to resources has enabled the massive growth seen in the US, its consumer driven society and its war machine. Access to resources & supporting dictators like the house of Saud are obviously considered necessary evils. And what happens when you 'get out'? You get Iraq where age old tribal tensions flare and the region is further destabilized and spreads to other areas.

You are too simplistic in your thinking. This is multi-dimensional chess board. Resources are not the only nor the main aim. There are times that resources are considered, but moreover what is considered are power in all facets and how to manipulate the nations of the world.

2) Israel has become what it previously suffered under: an aggressive brute that suppresses 'undesirables' in all ways. Apartheid, encroaching settlements, human rights abuses, an ingrained perception of suspicion towards Israeli Arabs and controlled by extreme politics.

Because it was created by Satanist elite who planned it that way. They created Hilter (again Prescot Bush financed Hitler's concentration camps and war effort through Union Bank out of the USA). They created the Holocaust. They created the Zionism.

Closing your eyes won't help you. Lose your biases.

[TPTB_need_war]

The ten horns (the Ten Kings) could be the 10 major nations of the world...

How will this list change after 2024 (and by 2032)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

My guess based on most economic growth shifting to Asia and USA+Mexico:

1. China
2. USA
3. Japan
4. India
5. South Korea
6. Russia
7. Australia
8. Canada
9. United Kingdom
10. ? (Germany, Brazil, Mexico, Indonesia?)

[bitcodo]

Armstrong will publish on November 1 his new book on the War Cycle, looks like it will start/focus on the Middle East:

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/37944

It will cost $75.  Maybe worth it...

As I said before, my focus is on the Middle East too.

20 more days till release. Hope it will not be too late.   

Some recent articles

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-08/saudi-arabia-said-to-order-spending-curbs-amid-oil-price-slump-ifi62ac1
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-08/saudis-on-hook-for-rebuilding-yemen-just-when-money-is-tight
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-08/real-reason-saudi-arabia-hates-iran
http://news.yahoo.com/united-states-help-saudi-arabia-192926234.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/08/us-yemen-security-idUSKCN0S20TJ20151008
http://www.businessinsider.com/iran-says-isis-just-killed-its-top-general-in-syria-2015-10
http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/10/10/israel-palestinians-idINKCN0S407C20151010

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/10/middleeast/turkey-ankara-bomb-blast/

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This is one of the most batshit-crazy post I have seen on the forum. Entertaining for a minute but gets boring after a minute. You conspiracy theorizers need to get your heads examined.

[bitcodo]

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.

Albert Einstein

BTW was he just a jew or zionist 

[TPTB_need_war]

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.

Albert Einstein

BTW was he just a jew or zionist  

Get the taxonomy correct. There is a huge distinction between someone who has been hoodwinked into supporting zionism and the architects who implemented zionism.

I rather think we have some few of the Ashkenazi jews who have been into organized crime and criminal banking (aka the "banksters") for the 100s if not 1000s of years.

They appeared to have become aligned in such a way that incorporating Zionism became part of their strategy for global conquest.

Of course the Jews are just victims of this misassociation.

As well all those who support Zionism because of the suffering that these bastards have inflicted on society, are just victims of the propaganda.

The organized crime syndicates are into drugs, banking, covert operations.

Everyone knows the CIA was running the drugs in their airplanes. Just do some research on the Iran-Contra issue.

Why do you think investigative journalist Gary Webb "committed suicide"? You can probably also include the recent death of Michael C. Ruppert as well.

I have been digging for a long time. I've read extensively for example Catherine Austin Fitts (former undersecretary for HUD under Jack Kemp, former Wallstreet insider) and her computer model corroboration of evidence that Gary Webb was unmasking.

Come on folks, do some research and lose your preconceived propaganda that has been planted in your brains by the ones who want to control your thoughts.

Someone wrote to me that Ehud Olmert couldn't possibly be a central figure in the implementation of Zionism and 9/11 because he is being prosecuted. As if Bush and Clintons were never and will never be prosecuted.

Remember the Bible says the head of the Beast is wounded. Who says these organized criminal groups always escape prosecution.

Getting to the top echelon is difficult though, e.g. we know George Soros has done evil things but the likelihood of sending him to prison is remote.

Look what they accomplished with this 9/11 ordeal. They have managed to foist massively intrusive identification requirements on every thing we do. They have been able to justify massive spying programs and covert operations such as the National Security Letter Gag Order. Receive one of those, and you can't speak any more. Your constitutional rights were absolved.

P.S. Zionism is a corrupt concept. Jews have no right to steal land from those who have been occupying it for the past 100s of years. You don't just waltz in and create a country in the middle of an existing country or land that has an existing set of residents. So if you are aligned with this concept just because Jews were persecuted around the world, then you are falling prey to the elite's favorite methodology of manufacturing a crisis so they can provide a "solution". Are we always going to be stupid cows or will we realize that we are being played like puppets on strings. Wake up sheepeople.

[Wekkel]

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.

Albert Einstein

BTW was he just a jew or zionist  

Come on folks, do some research and lose your preconceived propaganda that has been planted in your brains by the ones who want to control your thoughts.

That does not mean that one cannot remain critical. The world is less simple than our brains demand as an answer.

[TPTB_need_war]

The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.

Albert Einstein

BTW was he just a jew or zionist  

Come on folks, do some research and lose your preconceived propaganda that has been planted in your brains by the ones who want to control your thoughts.

That does not mean that one cannot remain critical. The world is less simple than our brains demand as an answer.

Of course. We must question even my search for an answer.

Often the simplest and most plausible answers are correct, for as long as we haven't excluded some elephant in the room corner case.

Of course we have evil in war, ethnic genocides, boom & busts of mass delusions of crowds (aka socialism, government, and collectivism). This rules out it being as simple as one monolithic organized crime group driving all evil in the world, because evil is inherent in human civilization. But there is much good in humans civilization also. Typically humans need to be pushed and prodded to do extensive evil. So you look for who are the instigators and financiers of evil.

But on the pointed question of who is most likely to have done 9/11, would some ethnic group in the Balkans for example have to the motivation to do that and also the skills and covert experience? Not very plausible.

The Bush/Cheney and Zionist architects have been working together for a century on profiting from war and covert operations. For example the Bush brothers ran the security at the World Trade Center and the airports where the hijackings too place.

Are they totally aligned with the other elite such as Soros, Rockefeller, Larry Summers, etc?

I don't know.

I am just saying these covert agencies and the people who are involved with them are very, very dangerous.

In this Knowledge Age, we need transparency. And anonymity and protection for the publishers of information is an important feature we need for our internet.

What I am getting at there, is TECHNOLOGICAL END TO COVERT GOVERNMENTS by removing their ability to attack the publishers of information. That is where I am driving with this.

And with that all the truth will come out eventually. And so the bastards who really did it will end up dead or in prison not too long from now. Mark my word.

They better start running away now, because the human empowerment technology is turning against them.

So I am saying to all, lose your biases and open your mind to information.

[TPTB_need_war]

This is one of the most batshit-crazy post I have seen on the forum. Entertaining for a minute but gets boring after a minute. You conspiracy theorizers need to get your heads examined.

9/11 was a batshit-crazy event. But the well established facts (did you watch the video I linked?) is that it was a pre-planned demolition job. We now know all the details (so much research has been completed by now). Watch the damn video!

Does that make us who factually document the event batshit-crazy? Or the ones who perpetuated it or those who deny it and thus promote it to happen again?

I say the last group is the most batshit insane and you appear to be in that group?

[farting_shot]

So, let me guess, tptb is just another anti-Semitic. Who would've thunk that?

[TPTB_need_war]

So, let me guess, tptb is just another anti-Semitic. Who would've thunk that?

Zionists are anti-semitic. The Semitic peoples are those who resided in Palestine, Golan Heights, Jerusalem, etc before they were dispossessed of their land. The State of Israel by its very acts is anti-Semitic! Hahaha. Gotcha.

In fact, recent DNA testing shows that most of those who were already there, were the actual Jews and most people who have migrated there are not descended from Abraham.

http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/who-are-jews/

http://www.texemarrs.com/042013/jews_not_descendants_of_abraham.htm


Believing in the Jewish faith is not a sufficient justification for stealing the land of others who were already there. Being persecuted abroad for believing in the Jewish faith is not a sufficient justification for stealing the land of others who were already there.

The British fucked up the Middle East good under the concept of the League of Nations, another of Rockefeller's meddling.

How about we get some sanity into our thinking eh?

Edit: the Europeans stole a lot of Indian land in the American continent. However the difference is that by now the two have largely assimilated and intermarried.

The Jews in Israel have not done that, and this will be their downfall.

Even the Yugoslavian conflict was due to inadequate assimilation.

Multculturalism doesn't work unless the peoples intermarry.

Hey we white guys will fuck any color of vagina. But the religion thing is annoying. I couldn't have a relationship with any devoutly religious fanatic female.

When Jews live all over the world but if they refuse to intermarry with other religions/non-religions and cultures then no wonder they find themselves persecuted for not integrating into the societies they reside in. This is a natural outcome. I am not saying it is an ethical outcome, but it is a fact of life. That doesn't make it our responsibility to steal a homeland for them from others.

[trollercoaster]

http://andrewgavinmarshall.com/2011/10/18/an-education-for-empire-the-rockefeller-carnegie-and-ford-foundations-in-the-construction-of-knowledge/


The Rockefeller Foundation consciously used its strategic position to foster certain experts, specific institutes and organizations, and lines of inquiry to ensure the generation of a particular ‘world-view’, which would have intellectual and scientific respectability and, therefore, ideological and political credibility with government and public alike.[9]


to support a foreign policy within a new world order that was to feature the United States as the leading power – a programme defined by the Rockefeller Foundation as ‘disinterested’, ‘objective’ and even ‘non-political’… The construction of a new internationalist consensus required the conscious, targeted funding of individuals and organizations who questioned and undermined the supporters of the ‘old order’ while simultaneously promoting the ‘new’.[5]

[TPTB_need_war]

trollercoaster, I think if you take your last post and the last paragraph I added to my prior post together, we can posit that the elite are trying to amplify and promote the multicultural conflicts in order fester the need for a world government.

Also it is the concept of divide and conquer. Divided peoples can't pay attention to who is fucking them over, because they are too busy squabbling over for example feminism, gay marriage, zionism, etc..

Also they want to bastardize or balkanize existing cultures, e.g. promoting Israel for all who could fraudulently claim they are Jews to come steal some land. It was another theft paradigm, analogous to socialism. Getting people to steal from each other, encouraging lawlessness, and thus wrecking havok on civilization, thus making civilization weak.

[trollercoaster]

I agree, there's elite groups at work undermining, and interfering with every aspect of society with the same goal in mind.

We need to put our biases aside to understand who they are and how they operate.

I believe their motivation to conquer society is spiritual in nature, and they have diverted attention away from that with a myriad of distractions.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=QIrYl25H8REC&pg=PA15&lpg=PA15&dq=the+ideology+of+philanthropy&source=bl&ots=97hgbOp2dN&sig=_F-6WftT_8Y7A94CNIHmML1txLI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCsQ6AEwBWoVChMI3svUspK5yAIVR32mCh3XcgKK#v=onepage&q=the%20ideology%20of%20philanthropy&f=false

[OROBTC]

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Grabbing the wheel and lurching this thread more-or-less back on track, I offer up today's Armstrong comment:

"Merkel & the Fate of Germany"

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/37953

There is a lot of opposition, even in her own party (I would be interested to learn the Social Democrats views on the migration) to having an open German door to whatever Muslims care to squeeze into Germany.    Merkel's whole response seems very weird to me.

Armstrong concludes his response (to a letter):

"There is just no way out because they will never admit this idea of one government is a total failure. My sources relay that the immigration issue was adopted by Merkel because her policy on Greece made her appear nasty inside Europe. So she accepted the migrants to change her image in the aftermath of Greece. Then Obama praised her and the next day she said there was no limit. Then she was up for the Nobel Peace Prize, but has now lost.

This posturing will prove to be a huge disaster."

[trollercoaster]

http://www.dw.com/en/germany-in-need-of-a-more-proactive-defense-policy/a-18771677

[r0ach]

Albert Einstein

http://www.amazon.com/Albert-Einstein-The-Incorrigible-Plagiarist/dp/0971962987

[farfiman]

...

Grabbing the wheel and lurching this thread more-or-less back on track, I offer up today's Armstrong comment:

Good luck with that    When TPTB is on a crusade it isn't easy.

[r0ach]

I haven't read a ton of his stuff but the part bothered me where he said government printing money has never positively benefited gold prices.  Well duh, that's why the fed and Comex scam exist.  Soon as Comex fails to deliver anything physical ever, then good bye to that.