Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[tbterryboy]

^That was such a clear sight of win for Wolfsburg, they won 4-1 and that is really a huuuuuge win for them. 1.60 for this game was a very good odds, there is really not that type of odds you can get for such a clear game most of the time. I have found one in La Liga recently where Alaves who is 12th in the league gets 4.5 odds on Celta Vigo which is 17th in the league.

I do not care about injuries and I do not care about red cards or I do not care about anything at all, there must be some reason why those are the odds but a 12th team getting 4.5 odds on a game against 17th team looks suspicious. This was 1.60ish so it is not even that bad, people knew Wolfsburg would win but didn't give them a clear win and was very wrong because game was 4-1 clearly easy for Wolfsburg, the other one looks suspiciously weird.

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[cygan]

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• Werder Bremen and Dusseldorf, one will be relegated and the other one will go to the relegation play-offs.

i hope so much that werder bremen can still make the relegation play-offs. there must be a lot to pass on the last matchday...
düsseldorf may not win and bremen must win with 4 goals difference at home vs cologne (and this with this very bad home balance)

my green-white heart is bleeding right now 

[bct_ail]

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• Werder Bremen and Dusseldorf, one will be relegated and the other one will go to the relegation play-offs.

i hope so much that werder bremen can still make the relegation play-offs. there must be a lot to pass on the last matchday...
düsseldorf may not win and bremen must win with 4 goals difference at home vs cologne (and this with this very bad home balance)

my green-white heart is bleeding right now 

This is going to be exciting. There will be a lot of tears. Cannot tell yet how I'm going to bet. Düsseldorf is playing against Union Berlin.
4 goals more than cologne... Has anyone ever been relegated above goal difference?

[Indymoney]

Bremen game next weekend will be interesting. They play Cologne and have to win big in order to catch up goal differential-wise with Düsseldorf (in case they draw with Union, which is very likely). Cologne and Düsseldorf hate each other, so wouldn't be surprised, if Bremen wins this game 4-0+ with Cologne showing only minimal effort and resting their best players.

You sound really optimistic but I see Dusseldorf as the favourite in their game against Union Berlin. For Union the season is done, they are safe now and I am afraid that they won't give their 100%, even if it is unintentional.  And what happens when they lack these few percent in their game was visibile in the match against Hoffenheim today. This match today against Mainz was a must-win for Bremen, now they can only hope for Union.

Currently as situation is going I am feeling Werder Bremen will relegated and Dusseldorf will go for play off's because Union is safe and they will not going to be tough for them so they can handle this all easily just draw can hurt them otherwise they are ok.

[Shasha80]

I really like the game of Dortmund when against Leipzig, very offensive and tactical. Therefore Dortmund can win 2-0, that is a fitting
result for Dortmund. And Erling Haaland showed his best performance by scoring 2 goals, hopefully in the next match Dortmund can
continue playing like this.

[Lafu]

I havnt seen any of the matches but yeah looks like Dortmund has some run , sadly to late !
Augsburg is safe now as they have played a draw and just needed the 1 point for stay in the League.
Will be intresting who will get the relegation games and how they playing on it .
Maybe Hamburg or Heidenheim i guess will be the Teams for.

[EdenHazard]

I havnt seen any of the matches but yeah looks like Dortmund has some run , sadly to late !
Augsburg is safe now as they have played a draw and just needed the 1 point for stay in the League.
Will be intresting who will get the relegation games and how they playing on it .
Maybe Hamburg or Heidenheim i guess will be the Teams for.

Now it's time for the relegation play-off spot between werder bremen and fortuna dusseldorf ...

Bremen will play at home against koln which they should be a bit worry as they had no really good records against them.
Bremen was a big club back in 2000's where they won the bundesliga in 2004 and always finished on top 3 between 2004 to 2010.
Would be sad to see bremen relegated especially for the former Miroslav klose .

Meanwhile fortuna dusseldorf will play against union berlin away.
They just need a draw and wishing bremen not to win with 4 goals difference or more.
Or win the game to ended bremen hope.

Pretty interesting to watch.

[tyKiwanuka]

Has anyone ever been relegated above goal difference?

Don't you remember 1998/1999 season ? This was the best ever season finish in terms of relegation in Bundesliga. Standings after round 33:


Source: https://www.fussballdaten.de/bundesliga/1999/33/

Nürnbergs Coach Friedel Rausch already got flowers from officials and a big round of applause from the whole stadium before kick-off for keeping Nürnberg in Bundesliga. What happened during the next 90 minutes was crazy. Rostock won a crazy game 3-2 in Bochum. Frankfurt vs Kaiserslautern was 0-0 at half-time, while Nürnberg was trailing Freiburg 0-2 at home, but still all good. At 70th minute in Frankfurt (it was 1-1 then), things got insane. Frankfurt scored 2-1, 3-1, 4-1 in 12 minutes and suddenly Nürnberg was in huge danger, because Rostock just took 3-2 lead in Bochum as well. Nürnberg managed to score 1-2 in 85th minute and Frankfurt was relegated at that time again. In 89th minute Jan-Aage Fjörtoft made it 5-1 with a super cool stepover for Frankfurt and Nürnberg relegated


Source: https://www.fussballdaten.de/bundesliga/1999/34/

As you can see, Nürnberg and Frankfurt had same goal differential, but Frankfurt scored more goals, so they won the next tie-breaker after GD. There was no playoffs at that time, so Nürnberg went straight into 2. Bundesliga.

The radio simulcast of second half was even published on CD, which has never happened before imo. Gazillion of people asked for it and wanted to witness the happenings re-live again

[Avirunes]

I really like the game of Dortmund when against Leipzig, very offensive and tactical. Therefore Dortmund can win 2-0, that is a fitting
result for Dortmund. And Erling Haaland showed his best performance by scoring 2 goals, hopefully in the next match Dortmund can
continue playing like this.

Leipzig did a good start to the season but started struggling. It's hard to believe when they were so close to Bayern and messed it up so much after then that they are now about to finish as 3rd on the table. Dortmund are playing quite well after Haaland came in their team. It will be interesting to see if he is able to give off the same performance as well in next season. Next round is the last round of Bundesliga so it wouldn't make any difference for Dortmund now even if they win or lose. Yeah they can get off with a good feeling of closing the season with a win.

[hd49728]

Leipzig did a good start to the season but started struggling. It's hard to believe when they were so close to Bayern and messed it up so much after then that they are now about to finish as 3rd on the table.

Leipzig is a big surprise in Bundesliga this season. It is good for the club to expand a contract with his talented and young coach. It is a good way to build up a strong and stable team with the same coach who help them to have a big successful season. The challenge is how Leipzig will be able to prevent player leaving the club in the coming transfer season. Many clubs like Leipzig have only one successful season, and after that they lost good players and falling in league table position.

Dortmund are playing quite well after Haaland came in their team. It will be interesting to see if he is able to give off the same performance as well in next season. Next round is the last round of Bundesliga so it wouldn't make any difference for Dortmund now even if they win or lose. Yeah they can get off with a good feeling of closing the season with a win.

Dortmund and Haaland will be able to fight for the Bundesliga title next season. I don't have any doubt that Haaland will have good performance or even better performance for Dortmund next season.

[casperBGD]

Heidenheim scored in overtime, and have 2:1 with Hamburger, which get them position three one round before the end, and they play in Bielefeld in last round, which could be good for them, since Bielefeld already secured Bundesliga next season, HSV has Sandhausen at home, but they could secure everything in this round, so will have a bit of pressure next week

on the other side of the table, Karlsruher did not managed to win over Bielefeld and make useful Nurnberg score that lost 0:6 at home with Stuttgart, last round of 2. Bundesliga will be more than interesting to watch

[tyKiwanuka]

(...)last round of 2. Bundesliga will be more than interesting to watch

Bielefeld will do everything in their power to crush Heidenheim, because they have friendly relationship with Hamburg And Fürth will happily lose to Karlsruhe, because they are arch rivals to Nürnberg and if Nürnberg fails to win their game at Kiel, they would go into relegation playoffs. Combo Bielefeld&Karlsruhe should be good bet imo.

[Lafu]

Has anyone ever been relegated above goal difference?

Don't you remember 1998/1999 season ? This was the best ever season finish in terms of relegation in Bundesliga. Standings after round 33:


Source: https://www.fussballdaten.de/bundesliga/1999/33/

Nürnbergs Coach Friedel Rausch already got flowers from officials and a big round of applause from the whole stadium before kick-off for keeping Nürnberg in Bundesliga. What happened during the next 90 minutes was crazy. Rostock won a crazy game 3-2 in Bochum. Frankfurt vs Kaiserslautern was 0-0 at half-time, while Nürnberg was trailing Freiburg 0-2 at home, but still all good. At 70th minute in Frankfurt (it was 1-1 then), things got insane. Frankfurt scored 2-1, 3-1, 4-1 in 12 minutes and suddenly Nürnberg was in huge danger, because Rostock just took 3-2 lead in Bochum as well. Nürnberg managed to score 1-2 in 85th minute and Frankfurt was relegated at that time again. In 89th minute Jan-Aage Fjörtoft made it 5-1 with a super cool stepover for Frankfurt and Nürnberg relegated

Yeah i remember that very well , it was realy a sadly story in the end for Nürnberg.
Hopefuly this dosnt happened again this time in the second League and they get down into the 3rd League.
But they lost against Stuttgart with 6 to 0 at home , and it dosnt looks good for them on the 15th place now.

Also i guess we will see Stuttgart next year in the first League again.

[Juggy777]

I really like the game of Dortmund when against Leipzig, very offensive and tactical. Therefore Dortmund can win 2-0, that is a fitting
result for Dortmund. And Erling Haaland showed his best performance by scoring 2 goals, hopefully in the next match Dortmund can
continue playing like this.

Leipzig did a good start to the season but started struggling. It's hard to believe when they were so close to Bayern and messed it up so much after then that they are now about to finish as 3rd on the table.

Leipzig is a big surprise in Bundesliga this season. It is good for the club to expand a contract with his talented and young coach. It is a good way to build up a strong and stable team with the same coach who help them to have a big successful season. The challenge is how Leipzig will be able to prevent player leaving the club in the coming transfer season. Many clubs like Leipzig have only one successful season, and after that they lost good players and falling in league table position.

Dortmund are playing quite well after Haaland came in their team. It will be interesting to see if he is able to give off the same performance as well in next season. Next round is the last round of Bundesliga so it wouldn't make any difference for Dortmund now even if they win or lose. Yeah they can get off with a good feeling of closing the season with a win.

Dortmund and Haaland will be able to fight for the Bundesliga title next season. I don't have any doubt that Haaland will have good performance or even better performance for Dortmund next season.

@Shasha80 I’m glad that Dortmund played well and won this game as I had wagered a small bet on them, and I was absolutely delighted when Halland scored those goals, because then I knew I could finally stop worrying about loosing my bet. @hd49728 if Dortmund wishes to win the title next season then they need to hodl on to Sancho, and stop chocking in important matches.

Sources:

https://www.skysports.com/football/RB-Leipzig-vs-B-Dortmund/413027

https://sportmob.com/en/news/809170-dortmund-don-t-choke-but-can-improve-zorc

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/11805401/man-utd-news-live-sancho-transfer-richarlison-rashford/

[Avirunes]

The challenge is how Leipzig will be able to prevent player leaving the club in the coming transfer season. Many clubs like Leipzig have only one successful season, and after that they lost good players and falling in league table position.

Yeah nice point. Well they also gotta leave at one point to go for something better in future. It's not that many player have left Leipzig but only Werner is going to leave. Still it would be a challenging task to find someone fitting for role of forward in his place. Also loan deal of Anjelino and Schick is also about to end. Will be interesting to see how they handle up in next season.

[Darkoth89]

The challenge is how Leipzig will be able to prevent player leaving the club in the coming transfer season. Many clubs like Leipzig have only one successful season, and after that they lost good players and falling in league table position.

Yeah nice point. Well they also gotta leave at one point to go for something better in future. It's not that many player have left Leipzig but only Werner is going to leave. Still it would be a challenging task to find someone fitting for role of forward in his place. Also loan deal of Anjelino and Schick is also about to end. Will be interesting to see how they handle up in next season.

But Leipzig has Red Bull backing them up. So even though they lost Werner and (most likely) will lose Upamecano, I am not afraid that their team will fall apart. They are doing a fantastic job in integrating young talented players into their team and I still think that there are chances we see Schick and Angeliño for Leipzig next season again.

And to set their current place in the table into perspective: Sure they won the 'Herbstmeisterschaft' (1st place after the the first half of the season) but keep in mind that they play in the Bundesliga only since 2016 and before 2014 they played in the third league. So even though they had some mixed results lately, I am sure they are quite satisfied with their performance this season. They reached the quarter finals in the Champions League and the chance to qualify for it for next season is also pretty good.

[bct_ail]

Has anyone ever been relegated above goal difference?

Don't you remember 1998/1999 season ? This was the best ever season finish in terms of relegation in Bundesliga.

No I cannot remember. I wasn't interested in Soccer at that time. But thanks for that. That must have been a very emotional trip for the teams. Especially for the fans. How did they got the information from the other games? With a portable radio? 

[tyKiwanuka]

With a portable radio? 

Yep, you could see lots of people with rather big-ish radios next to their ears. At that time there also were already SMS services for mobile phones, where you would get a SMS for every goal scored in the stadiums. It was for free, but slower than live radio of course.

You only needed like one person with a radio in the stands and after a few seconds the whole stadium including the players knew - it spreaded like a wildfire

[Lafu]

That must have been a very emotional trip for the teams. Especially for the fans. How did they got the information from the other games? With a portable radio? 

Yes i can confirm that it was emotional for the teams and more for the Fans because im was and still a Nürnberg fan.
And that year was not the only one , they are the most relegated team in the German League.

Fingers crossed that they stay in the second League for the next season , because they arent safe for now .

[hd49728]

Yeah nice point. Well they also gotta leave at one point to go for something better in future. It's not that many player have left Leipzig but only Werner is going to leave. Still it would be a challenging task to find someone fitting for role of forward in his place. Also loan deal of Anjelino and Schick is also about to end. Will be interesting to see how they handle up in next season.

It is not all about Werner but about the others and important players who are in loan deals in this season. Anjelino and Patrick Schick are important players of Leipzig. Having another contract with the coach is great but losing Werner and maybe two others Anjelino and Schick is not good.

Recent seasons, we see Ajax lost their key players, from De Jong to De Ligt and Leipzig will almost not avoid the same destiny on transfer market.

But Leipzig has Red Bull backing them up. So even though they lost Werner and (most likely) will lose Upamecano, I am not afraid that their team will fall apart. They are doing a fantastic job in integrating young talented players into their team and I still think that there are chances we see Schick and Angeliño for Leipzig next season again.

There are chances to see Schick and Angelino in the club next season but there is no guarentee for that.

And to set their current place in the table into perspective: Sure they won the 'Herbstmeisterschaft' (1st place after the the first half of the season) but keep in mind that they play in the Bundesliga only since 2016 and before 2014 they played in the third league. So even though they had some mixed results lately, I am sure they are quite satisfied with their performance this season. They reached the quarter finals in the Champions League and the chance to qualify for it for next season is also pretty good.

In Bundesliga, Bayer Leverkusen and BvB face with same problems after their big successful seasons. After such challenges, it takes a few seasons for them to come back and be competitive again.