Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[Darkoth89]

Thanks snipie, I decided to update your table with more information and I think you miscalculated the points for Dortmund (they lost both against Bayern and Mainz) so they should be 6 points behind Bayern.

1.	FC Bayern München	24pts	8W	0D	0L	23:6Goals	+17gd
2.	Borussia Dortmund	18pts	6W	0D	2L	16:4Goals	+12gd
3.	1899 Hoffenheim	14pts	4W	2D	2L	14:10Goals	+4gd
4.	Eintracht Frankfurt*	14pts	4W	2D	3L	18:17Goals	+1gd
5.	RB Leipzig	13pts	3W	4D	1L	17:10Goals	+7gd
6.	Borussia Mönchengladbach	13pts	4W	1D	3L	15:9Goals	+6gd
6.	Hertha BSC	13pts	4W	1D	3L	15:9Goals	+6gd
8.	VfL Wolfsburg	13pts	4W	1D	3L	14:12Goals	+2gd
9.	Bayer Leverkusen	13pts	4W	1D	3L	15:14Goals	+1gd
10.	FSV Mainz 05	11pts	3W	2D	3L	10:11Goals	-1gd
11.	SV Werder Bremen*	10pts	3W	1D	5L	9:13Goals	-4gd
12.	FC Augsburg	9pts	2W	3D	3L	8:9Goals	-1gd
13.	SC Freiburg	9pts	2W	3D	3L	10:12Goals	-2gd
14.	Fortuna Düsseldorf	8pts	1W	5D	2L	9:14Goals	-5gd
15.	1. FC Union Berlin	8pts	2W	2D	4L	6:17Goals	-11gd
16.	1. FC Köln	4pts	0W	4D	4L	11:18Goals	-7gd
17.	SC Paderborn	4pts	0W	4D	4L	5:17Goals	-12gd
18.	FC Schalke 04	2pts	0W	2D	6L	5:18Goals	-13gd

Information for the table from here

* Bremen and Frankfurt had 9 matches played because their match on matchday 24 couldn't be played in March and had to be rescheduled to 03rd of June.

For some teams like Schalke and Köln the season better be over rather sooner than later. They can be glad they managed to get enough points in the first half of the season and before the Corona break. Other teams, like Bremen and Mainz improved a lot and I am sure they would both be happy to have some more games to collect some more points to stay in the league.

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[snipie]

Thanks bct_ail and Darkoth89 
It was just a quick manual calculation with a piece of paper, didn't pay attention to all details but yeah as you said when we compare that table after the restart to the actual full Bundesliga one we can see clearly the difference. Maybe a better comparison can be possible when we compare tables for matches before and after the pause 

[el kaka22]

It is weird to see some high level teams losing so much of points whereas middle table teams winning so many points as well, it looks like there is a quite good difference.

However, I feel like you could take a 8 game series in anytime of the league and make a case for any team at all, even paderborn must had some 8 game series where they played like a middle table team or even maybe better (not really sure). At the end of the day the league is not 8 games because of this but even if it was Bayern is still at the top .

Bayern is always at the top when we are talking about Bundesliga, sure there are periods when they weren't but it was a short period of time which they recovered. God knows whats required to finally abolish the monopoly Bayern has over Bundesliga, they are really either winning it or second and that is scary for the league.

[Woodie]

The last matchday will be held at this weekend and currently it seems that there were no relevant diseases with corona in the Bundesliga. So the hygiene concept seems to have worked.  I would not have thought that it works so well.

Not to go off topic but indeed Germany has proved beyond reasonable doubt that they can contain the Coronavirus as shown by the low numbers of infected people which should not disrupt any sports games there. This whole hygiene concept should be a trade secret of some sort because they have contained this so well.

It is weird to see some high level teams losing so much of points whereas middle table teams winning so many points as well, it looks like there is a quite good difference.

Reason to this is simple! Big teams have star players that feel they can't be exposed to such life threatening conditions or they playing with a phobia and not giving a 100%

[Naida_BR]

The last matchday will be held at this weekend and currently it seems that there were no relevant diseases with corona in the Bundesliga. So the hygiene concept seems to have worked.  I would not have thought that it works so well.

The spread of the disease in Germany and Europe in general slowed down and the virus kind of moved to the American continent thanks to the serious measures taken by govs even if it was a little bit late.
4 long days before closing Bundesliga drama and know if Bremen will relegate or get a second chance 

It is very sad to watch Bundesliga in order to see if a team is going to be relegated or not.
Feels like all other incidents have no meaning now - like who is going to be the title winner.

Yeah it is sad indeed. Bayern already picked the 1st spot since few rounds, Dortmund 2nd, Leipzig in CL, Leverkusen or M'Gladbach for the 4th spot with a clear advantage for M'Gladbach. Wolfsburg/Hoffenheim in Europa League. Paderborn already relegated. Bremen/Düsseldorf to be relegated or has a second chance.
Basically this round isn't very very interesting except of Bremen and Leverkusen games. At the opposite Serie A and La Liga, the first places aren't yet secured by any team

Just think that in December the whole icon was totally different.
It was Leipzig First and Freiburg I think second and we were discussing if Bayern would be able to reach the top position. Not they not only reach the first place but also they got huge difference from the 2nd place.

[Indymoney]

The last matchday will be held at this weekend and currently it seems that there were no relevant diseases with corona in the Bundesliga. So the hygiene concept seems to have worked.  I would not have thought that it works so well.

The spread of the disease in Germany and Europe in general slowed down and the virus kind of moved to the American continent thanks to the serious measures taken by govs even if it was a little bit late.
4 long days before closing Bundesliga drama and know if Bremen will relegate or get a second chance 

It is very sad to watch Bundesliga in order to see if a team is going to be relegated or not.
Feels like all other incidents have no meaning now - like who is going to be the title winner.

Yeah it is sad indeed. Bayern already picked the 1st spot since few rounds, Dortmund 2nd, Leipzig in CL, Leverkusen or M'Gladbach for the 4th spot with a clear advantage for M'Gladbach. Wolfsburg/Hoffenheim in Europa League. Paderborn already relegated. Bremen/Düsseldorf to be relegated or has a second chance.
Basically this round isn't very very interesting except of Bremen and Leverkusen games. At the opposite Serie A and La Liga, the first places aren't yet secured by any team

Just think that in December the whole icon was totally different.
It was Leipzig First and Freiburg I think second and we were discussing if Bayern would be able to reach the top position. Not they not only reach the first place but also they got huge difference from the 2nd place.

Bayern is very strong team and they have resources for catching this all no other German clube is capable of doing this like Bayern but now we can feel in next season we will watch some good and interesting competition from Dotrmund Leipzig and Leverkusen as now they are doing good and can do some more effort for better result in next season.

[Naida_BR]

The last matchday will be held at this weekend and currently it seems that there were no relevant diseases with corona in the Bundesliga. So the hygiene concept seems to have worked.  I would not have thought that it works so well.

The spread of the disease in Germany and Europe in general slowed down and the virus kind of moved to the American continent thanks to the serious measures taken by govs even if it was a little bit late.
4 long days before closing Bundesliga drama and know if Bremen will relegate or get a second chance 

It is very sad to watch Bundesliga in order to see if a team is going to be relegated or not.
Feels like all other incidents have no meaning now - like who is going to be the title winner.

Yeah it is sad indeed. Bayern already picked the 1st spot since few rounds, Dortmund 2nd, Leipzig in CL, Leverkusen or M'Gladbach for the 4th spot with a clear advantage for M'Gladbach. Wolfsburg/Hoffenheim in Europa League. Paderborn already relegated. Bremen/Düsseldorf to be relegated or has a second chance.
Basically this round isn't very very interesting except of Bremen and Leverkusen games. At the opposite Serie A and La Liga, the first places aren't yet secured by any team

Just think that in December the whole icon was totally different.
It was Leipzig First and Freiburg I think second and we were discussing if Bayern would be able to reach the top position. Not they not only reach the first place but also they got huge difference from the 2nd place.

Bayern is very strong team and they have resources for catching this all no other German clube is capable of doing this like Bayern but now we can feel in next season we will watch some good and interesting competition from Dotrmund Leipzig and Leverkusen as now they are doing good and can do some more effort for better result in next season.

Dortmund also has great resources and don't forget that they spent so much money on December in order to sign Haaland - who has helped the team so much from the time he can.
However, Borussia seems unable to compete Bayern. They lost the crucial match against the team from Munchen with such a huge performance difference.

[swogerino]

The last matchday will be held at this weekend and currently it seems that there were no relevant diseases with corona in the Bundesliga. So the hygiene concept seems to have worked.  I would not have thought that it works so well.

The spread of the disease in Germany and Europe in general slowed down and the virus kind of moved to the American continent thanks to the serious measures taken by govs even if it was a little bit late.
4 long days before closing Bundesliga drama and know if Bremen will relegate or get a second chance 

It is very sad to watch Bundesliga in order to see if a team is going to be relegated or not.
Feels like all other incidents have no meaning now - like who is going to be the title winner.

Yeah it is sad indeed. Bayern already picked the 1st spot since few rounds, Dortmund 2nd, Leipzig in CL, Leverkusen or M'Gladbach for the 4th spot with a clear advantage for M'Gladbach. Wolfsburg/Hoffenheim in Europa League. Paderborn already relegated. Bremen/Düsseldorf to be relegated or has a second chance.
Basically this round isn't very very interesting except of Bremen and Leverkusen games. At the opposite Serie A and La Liga, the first places aren't yet secured by any team

Just think that in December the whole icon was totally different.
It was Leipzig First and Freiburg I think second and we were discussing if Bayern would be able to reach the top position. Not they not only reach the first place but also they got huge difference from the 2nd place.

Bayern is very strong team and they have resources for catching this all no other German clube is capable of doing this like Bayern but now we can feel in next season we will watch some good and interesting competition from Dotrmund Leipzig and Leverkusen as now they are doing good and can do some more effort for better result in next season.

Dortmund also has great resources and don't forget that they spent so much money on December in order to sign Haaland - who has helped the team so much from the time he can.
However, Borussia seems unable to compete Bayern. They lost the crucial match against the team from Munchen with such a huge performance difference.

They have usually suffered against Bayern always.The coming of Haaland was a great addition to their performance but in order to fight and win the battle against Bayern,Dortmund should give enough time for Haaland to be in full sintony with the rest of the team.Only then they can try and win the title again.

[hd49728]

Dortmund also has great resources and don't forget that they spent so much money on December in order to sign Haaland - who has helped the team so much from the time he can.
However, Borussia seems unable to compete Bayern. They lost the crucial match against the team from Munchen with such a huge performance difference.

Dortmund is the biggest competitor for Bayern in Bundesliga in the last decade. They won the trophy years ago. Some other clubs, Bayer Leverkusen, Schalke 04 lost their strength. Weder Bremen and Stuggart even struggle to stay in Bundesliga.

They have usually suffered against Bayern always.The coming of Haaland was a great addition to their performance but in order to fight and win the battle against Bayern,Dortmund should give enough time for Haaland to be in full sintony with the rest of the team.Only then they can try and win the title again.

Haaland is a good support for Dortmund and he is a very wise contract of Dortmund. Next season, I wish to see an interesting race between Bayern and Dortmund, with the full season of Haaland for Dortmund. If next year, Dortmund can not win the trophy, they will almost unable to win it next few years because Haaland will have a transfer soon (maybe the transfer will be from Dortmund to Bayern).

[tyKiwanuka]

Two days to go until the grand final. The Weserstadion at Bremen saw many miracles in the past and maybe we will see another one on Saturday. For this to happen, Bremen will most likely have to win by big margin against Cologne:


Source: https://www.flashscore.com/standings/UoXxkTs4/dAfCUJq0/#table;overall

If Düsseldorf loses at Berlin, any home win will do the trick for Bremen. If Düsseldorf wins at Berlin, Bremen can do whatever they want. If Düsseldorf draws at Berlin, then Bremen can only catch up and overtake them, if they work a bit on their goal differential - they would have to win by a minimum of four goals against Cologne. Bremen has had a poor season and imo they will throw everything they have at Cologne to do their homework and then pray for Berlin to take points.

Cologne and Düsseldorf are rivals (not only when it comes to football) and they wouldn't shed a tear, if Düsseldorf goes back to 2. Bundesliga. I expect them to not show big effort to avoid losing big time.

Rashica is still questionable for Bremen; would help a lot, if he was available.

I will play Bremen HC-3 for odds around 9-ish. Over bets and Werder team totals are good as well imo, but maybe better for inplay. Unless Berlin has a safe lead against Düsseldorf, Bremen will relentlessly attack and they are capable of scoring a lot, they have the personnel for it. Even if Düsseldorf leads like 1-0 at Berlin and Bremen is only at 2-0, they won't stop pushing for goals, because Berlin can equalize at any time.

[cryptofrka]

Dortmund also has great resources and don't forget that they spent so much money on December in order to sign Haaland - who has helped the team so much from the time he can.
However, Borussia seems unable to compete Bayern. They lost the crucial match against the team from Munchen with such a huge performance difference.

No, it is not even comparable. Bayern is the only German powerhouse team, able to constantly outspend everybody else, offer best salaries and compete with Europe's elite.

This will be their 8th title in a row and at the time when Klopp took 2 titles from them they showed their true strength by simply taking Borussia's best players.
First they bought Gotze, then signed Lewandowski on a free transfer and again bought Hummels the next season.

3 key Borussia players, and they could not keep any of them. Bayern was just offering too much money.

[Darkoth89]

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Rashica is still questionable for Bremen; would help a lot, if he was available.

I will play Bremen HC-3 for odds around 9-ish. Over bets and Werder team totals are good as well imo, but maybe better for inplay. Unless Berlin has a safe lead against Düsseldorf, Bremen will relentlessly attack and they are capable of scoring a lot, they have the personnel for it. Even if Düsseldorf leads like 1-0 at Berlin and Bremen is only at 2-0, they won't stop pushing for goals, because Berlin can equalize at any time.

Of course, Bremen has to attack no matter what but don't you think that you overestimate Bremens attacking power a bit. On paper they should have the personnel to score a lot, I totally agree with you here. But they had this potential for the whole season, and still they have the second worst offensive this season with only 36 goals scored. Only Dusseldorf and Paderborn are that bad or even worse. Sure, Niclas Füllkrug gave his comeback against Paderborn but he suffered from a really bad injury (cruciate ligament rupture) and hasn't played regulary for almost a year now. You can't really trust on him to carry the Werder offensive on his own. And that Rashica might not be able to play now on Saturday makes things not easier.

Furthermore and unfortunately for Bremen, they have a home game against Koln. Their home game record looks really, really bad: No win in their last 14 home games with the last win in the Bundesliga on the 1st of September last year, which was their only win at home this season btw. Not a single goal in 9 out of 10 of their last home games. Overall they only scored 9 times in their 16 matches at home so far.


https://de.soccerway.com/teams/germany/sv-werder-bremen/960/

Don't get me wrong, I would love your thoughts to be right but realisically I don't see Bremen here scoring a lot. The only thing that gives me hope for Bremen is that the team they're facing is Koln, which is also struggeling a lot lately. I would personally go for BTTS or under 3.5. But let's just hope you're right and I am wrong, Bremen wins and stays in the league.

[tyKiwanuka]

Good feedback @Darkoth89

Of course, Bremen has to attack no matter what but don't you think that you overestimate Bremens attacking power a bit. On paper they should have the personnel to score a lot, I totally agree with you here. But they had this potential for the whole season, and still they have the second worst offensive this season with only 36 goals scored. Only Dusseldorf and Paderborn are that bad or even worse.

It's all about tactics and Kohfeldt isn't the right coach for Werder imo. Werder's DNA was always to play attacking football. They had seasons where they scored like a Top3 team and conceded like a team that will relegate. Kohfeldt always took a much more defensive approach and thats not Werder. He got away with it in 17/18 and 18/19, but this season things didn't click and Werder is in danger of relegating now after 40 years.

Even with Rashica probably out, they still have Selke, Sargent, Osako, Klassen, Bittencourt, Pizarro (as sub - he will score on Saturday ). Not the offensive power they used to have in recent years, but this bet is also 50% about Cologne. They won't show up imo and have a poor defense, they will want Werder to score (but not make it too obvious )

This is like a cup/KO game for Werder, what happened in the past is in the past, it's just about this one game, which they have to win with big margin; it's their duty after a horrible season and they have an opponent who doesn't care.

But let's just hope you're right and I am wrong, Bremen wins and stays in the league.

It's not in their hands anymore, they can just do their job and then have to see what happens in Berlin And it's not about being right or being wrong, it's about value and discussing things here a bit. You don't win odds of 9 just like that, so most likely you will be "right"

[Lafu]

Cologne and Düsseldorf are rivals (not only when it comes to football) and they wouldn't shed a tear, if Düsseldorf goes back to 2. Bundesliga. I expect them to not show big effort to avoid losing big time.

For sure , its like an Derby for them because its just an 40 min car driving between them , and Cologne cant smell Düsseldorf.
I also would be love to see Werder Bremen would doing that and can be going into the relegation, maybe against Heidenheim.
I will be placing my bet on Werder Bremen and Union Berlin for sure .

[Trofo]

Cologne and Düsseldorf are rivals (not only when it comes to football) and they wouldn't shed a tear, if Düsseldorf goes back to 2. Bundesliga. I expect them to not show big effort to avoid losing big time.

Rashica is still questionable for Bremen; would help a lot, if he was available.

Very nice analysis for the game. You got me on board. I have played various bets on Werder today. Everything from simple ML to handicaps and Werder total goals.

That part I quoted above is the one that gives most assurance for this match. It is always easy to play against opponent who doesen't want to win. It just shows in most duels and should be enough of a help for Werder to exploit.

Too bad Rashica isn't available, he is their most dangerous player for me.

[Lafu]

But Werder Bremen need some good help from Union Berlin if they want to have a chance to get into the relegation matches!
And i guess that is possible as Union Berlin have played some nice matches last weeks.
Placed my bet on Union Berlin and Werder Bremen and that they both win with 2 Goals.

[Darkoth89]

Another thing that I just read about in the "Kicker" (German Source) and that wasn't taken into account so far: If Werder Bremen relegates, 5 teams would profit by getting more money from the TV broadcasts. Koln, Mainz, Augsburg, Dusseldorf and Union Berlin would potentially get 2.4 million euro more. Koln would even benefit twice if they can win today and finish at the 12th place in the table. So even if Union loses today, they'd still get that extra money.

It's not really a good point but I still think it is worth mentioning. Because if you say that Koln and Dusseldorf are rivals so Koln would happily see Dusseldorf relegate and don't give 100% today, you also have to say there are 2.4 million (or even more) reasons for the club to win this match today.
 
The argument that this match today will be played as it is an KO game in a cup for Werder is very good one though. Their performance in the DFB Pokal was really on point this season and they kicked out even Dormund. If the players manage to get this kind of spirit and willing to win on the pitch, they have a good chance to win today. Then only Union Berlin has to play in their favour ...

[snipie]

But Werder Bremen need some good help from Union Berlin if they want to have a chance to get into the relegation matches!
And i guess that is possible as Union Berlin have played some nice matches last weeks.
Placed my bet on Union Berlin and Werder Bremen and that they both win with 2 Goals.

wow, such a brave move. Hoping your expectations will be correct and Bremen escape from 100% relegation today and have a second chance to fight another day 

[Lafu]

wow, such a brave move. Hoping your expectations will be correct and Bremen escape from 100% relegation today and have a second chance to fight another day 

Dont worry i hoping that also and i wish Werder Bremen that they stay in the first German League .
We all know that all is possible in some matches and yeah i believe in Werder Bremen but dont place your bet from my opinion .
We will know more in around 3-4 hours and what comes for the Teams and all.

[DeathAngel]

Can Wolfsburg take points off Bayern today, it will be a really tough game for Bayern. Can Dortmund see a little light at the end of the tunnel if Bayern drop points away to Wolfsburg?