2024 NBA Season

[Viscore]

I think the NBA style now has evolved, the I and the ME will not work anymore effective with the current system.

If we have observed, most points now are already coming from 3 point spot and some from jump shot, only few players now really drive in the paint since we have a lot of big centers now compared in the past IMO. In addition, players developing their 3 point shooting, that makes them so confident with taking the shot.

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[Reid]

I think the NBA style now has evolved, the I and the ME will not work anymore effective with the current system.

If we have observed, most points now are already coming from 3 point spot and some from jump shot, only few players now really drive in the paint since we have a lot of big centers now compared in the past IMO. In addition, players developing their 3 point shooting, that makes them so confident with taking the shot.

It also connects with the soft defense by now.
If you are a 3 point shooter you have so much options when you do the hesitation move.
Unlike when it was at Jordan's era. The defense is so tight that you will need to push the player a little to gain some space. i.e. Utah Jazz Bryon Russell against the winning shot of Jordan.
We all saw it, there is small push that happened there.

Now, you are a sharp shooter, you hesitate, you can force it to the paint leaving the opponent.
Why? Because there is a need for a space and they cannot touch you unless you are at the painted area.
Even centers are doing it now.

[Vaculin]

It also connects with the soft defense by now.

The old type of basketball is more fun, it should be physical and most points should be taken from the inside as it would bring more intensity to the game.
Nowadays, scoring is quite effortless especially if a player is a good ball handler and a 3 point shooting, I doubt curry would be popular if he was born during the time of Jordan.

[Rikafip]

If you are a 3 point shooter you have so much options when you do the hesitation move.
Unlike when it was at Jordan's era. The defense is so tight that you will need to push the player a little to gain some space.

Just watched The Last Dance episodes 3 and 4 and I am glad that they gave considerable amount of time to Detroit vs Bulls rivalry, so people can see how tough basketball was back then. Changing hand-checking rule back in 2004 changed NBA forever. And for the worse I would say. Just imagine Jordan now, with all this rules where defensive player can't even look bad at you .

Regarding documentary, even after 4 episodes this might end up as one of the best sports documentaries ever. But I have one complaint (actually two, but they are kinda connected)- in 4 episodes so far, no Kukoc at all. One  can argue that he is not there yet as they still didn't reach the time when he came (1994), but then there is Steve Kerr, guy that came to Bulls in 1993, and never was an important part of Bulls (he was an elite 3 pts shooter but never used much). I guess he is there because he won those titles with GSW so he is popular now and makes sense from the commercial point of view.
But this documentary is also about that 1997-1998 season, where Kukoc was 3rd best shooter, 3rd best in rebounds  and 2nd in assists. At the time he came to Bulls he was the best European player ever at that age, he won everything that it was there to win, and yet, as many great Euro player, he was misused and heavily underappreciated. Hell, he was even cropped out of that famous picture that was used as documentary promo poster ( Kukoc and Harper cropped, Jackson and Kerr added). I hope we see a bit of Kukoc when they reach 1992 and that famous Dream Team. Kukoc would dominate today's NBA  with his skill set, he was player ahead of his time.

The old type of basketball is more fun, it should be physical and most points should be taken from the inside as it would bring more intensity to the game.
Nowadays, scoring is quite effortless especially if a player is a good ball handler and a 3 point shooting, I doubt curry would be popular if he was born during the time of Jordan.

I agree, but unfortunately, NBA thought differently, so was majority of the fans back then, from what i can remember. They really disliked  tough and hardworking teams.

[wozzek23]

Jordan and Kobe both gave success to their team, but will that kind of mentality now still works?
The warriors was the latest good example, there's no I in that team and they beat a team with an I which is team Lebron.

That killer instinct that has always been talked about when considering MJ and Kobe is something very special, it really doesn't have a big list, those two are probably the only ones. Moreover, Wilt Chamberlein is probably the first player I can think of who had raw talent, very good, managed many things, but always lost to Russell, why? Because Wilt was basically out there to do whatever he can, not whatever team can achieve.

The biggest example I can think of is Shaq, that dude probably had the greatest talent I have ever seen with my own eyes, probably a talent we will NEVER see again, he was just that good, yet dude was as lazy as it gets and as spoiled as it gets as well. Lebron is awesome right?

Well, he likes to whine about his teammates all the time as well and did so many PR moves instead of trying to just be winner about it, even though he managed to will his team into finals, he was simply a baby about it most of the times. Yet even with all of that said, an MJ or a Kobe is not enough for a championship, they had many years they didn't win a single thing, you always need some decent players around them to win.

[milewilda]

It also connects with the soft defense by now.

The old type of basketball is more fun, it should be physical and most points should be taken from the inside as it would bring more intensity to the game.
Nowadays, scoring is quite effortless especially if a player is a good ball handler and a 3 point shooting, I doubt curry would be popular if he was born during the time of Jordan.

I prefer the same thing but era had changed where even most positions are already capable on shooting 3's or shall we say that they do already had that kind of versatility when it comes to shooting capabilities.
Honestly speaking its quite boring if we cant feel the thrill specially with body contacts and strong defenses between the teams but well there's always a change.

[Sanitough]

I prefer the same thing but era had changed where even most positions are already capable on shooting 3's or shall we say that they do already had that kind of versatility when it comes to shooting capabilities.
Honestly speaking its quite boring if we cant feel the thrill specially with body contacts and strong defenses between the teams but well there's always a change.

The Finals during the last season of Lebron with the cavaliers was boring, Warriors dominated them very well and it wasn't physical as I like to see.
Warriors shooting 3s very well, all of them, Durant, Curry, and Thompson were all good shooters, look at Thompson learning how to drive the ball inside, he got injured because he was not used to playing more physical, so players nowadays try to avoid that as they don't want to risk their future.

they got paid very big for a soft sport. hilarious...

hopefully NBA will revise some rules and make NBA as exciting as before again. Miss the bad boys Pistons style of play.

[milewilda]

I prefer the same thing but era had changed where even most positions are already capable on shooting 3's or shall we say that they do already had that kind of versatility when it comes to shooting capabilities.
Honestly speaking its quite boring if we cant feel the thrill specially with body contacts and strong defenses between the teams but well there's always a change.

The Finals during the last season of Lebron with the cavaliers was boring, Warriors dominated them very well and it wasn't physical as I like to see.
Warriors shooting 3s very well, all of them, Durant, Curry, and Thompson were all good shooters, look at Thompson learning how to drive the ball inside, he got injured because he was not used to playing more physical, so players nowadays try to avoid that as they don't want to risk their future.

they got paid very big for a soft sport. hilarious...

hopefully NBA will revise some rules and make NBA as exciting as before again. Miss the bad boys Pistons style of play.

Fully agree into your sentiment which is totally true.Its understandable if a certain player do play its role (shooting guard) but when all players of the team are doing the same thing then its not really enjoying to watch and same as you said where its already boring.I dont think that there would be some reversion of rules when it comes to this because its part of the playstyle as long the said player is capable on doing of.
Of course if you are a player you would surely take care of your career and avoid injury as much you can because you do know on whats on stake if accident do happen.

[Viscore]

Of course if you are a player you would surely take care of your career and avoid injury as much you can because you do know on whats on stake if accident do happen.

Not only the players, it's the NBA organization that are taking care of its players as well especially their star players, for the reason that fans are watching the game because they like to witness the stars of the NBA playing, without them, the sales will dropped and endorsement as well, as of now, it's just all about money and on how the NBA will consistently gain to ensure NBA stars will play regularly.

[Captain Corporate]

 At one point I agree that players health is above everything else, you should definitely take care of players and how they play and you should be able to mix in both developed technology and better understanding of food, and newer treatments etc etc, all that is much better today compared to the past. So that these new players would basically be getting as much as they can from the new world and live a much better life compared to players who played back in the day. Plus NBA players are getting a lot more money today as well which is really important, not just because inflation but because TV rights gets bigger and bigger, basically back in the day aside from Magic and Bird there wasn't really all that many people who made too much money, nowadays everyone makes a huge amount.

 At the same time I am thinking Kareem Abdul Jabbar played full time college for 4 years, started NBA at 22 years old played until he was 41 years old and barely missed any games, he was playing over 40 minutes per game for most of his career as well. Same with John Stockton with exception that he didn't played all that much minutes, however he played almost every game. Back in the day players were playing every single game they can, and played for as many minutes as their body could handle. What happened? Sure some of them got injured and that is very sad, however we do have a lot of injuries today as well, look at NBA and %10 of the top 50 is always injured, no minute restiction, no day offs no nutritionists, no better treatment changed this fact. When everything was worse and players played more they were getting injured, now they say they are taking care of all players and they are still getting injured like flies.

[asu]

Have you guys watching "The Last Dance" series in Netflix?

I never thought that Pistons was deadly team way back 1989 with at 10% chance of winning when other teams faced them. More like a MAFIA way back then.

[Reid]

But this documentary is also about that 1997-1998 season, where Kukoc was 3rd best shooter, 3rd best in rebounds  and 2nd in assists. At the time he came to Bulls he was the best European player ever at that age, he won everything that it was there to win, and yet, as many great Euro player, he was misused and heavily underappreciated. Hell, he was even cropped out of that famous picture that was used as documentary promo poster ( Kukoc and Harper cropped, Jackson and Kerr added). I hope we see a bit of Kukoc when they reach 1992 and that famous Dream Team. Kukoc would dominate today's NBA  with his skill set, he was player ahead of his time.

Oh yes!
At the time when MJ was having problem with his fever Kukoc was the one doing the offense.
But it was always MJ who was the apple of the eye back then.
Perhaps because of his all around skill which is really impressive.
But behind that 3 point line, there was always a man who could catch and shoot and had a high percentage of taking it in.

For me, it had always been the Bulls team and not just Jordan. They all made their contributions which made them a champion.
It is not a one man team. If asked who is better in that Bulls team, yes it is Jordan. But credits is to everyone specially Coach Phil.

[Finestream]

Have you guys watching "The Last Dance" series in Netflix?

I never thought that Pistons was deadly team way back 1989 with at 10% chance of winning when other teams faced them. More like a MAFIA way back then.

That's what I read on some status from my friends who were able to watch it, but 1989, I was just so little at that time, NBA was not my thing yet.
I started enjoy NBA around 2000 I guess, so I don't really mind them at all, but you got me curious, maybe if I have some extra time now, I'll watch this one.

[mich]

Have you guys watching "The Last Dance" series in Netflix?

I never thought that Pistons was deadly team way back 1989 with at 10% chance of winning when other teams faced them. More like a MAFIA way back then.

I watched this on this site

https://flixtor.to/watch/tv/4452554/the-last-dance

(I can delete links if not allowed.)

[onrise]

Have you guys watching "The Last Dance" series in Netflix?

I never thought that Pistons was deadly team way back 1989 with at 10% chance of winning when other teams faced them. More like a MAFIA way back then.

That's what I read on some status from my friends who were able to watch it, but 1989, I was just so little at that time, NBA was not my thing yet.
I started enjoy NBA around 2000 I guess, so I don't really mind them at all, but you got me curious, maybe if I have some extra time now, I'll watch this one.

I would love to watch it whenever get time because not long ago started watching and loving this sport and makes me so happy seeing the good teams battles on the court and the way they keep passing the ball to each other inspite of opposition. So for me it is going to be a good games to watch some of the best legends of the past in 1989 and enjoy my time as well.

[asu]

That's what I read on some status from my friends who were able to watch it, but 1989, I was just so little at that time, NBA was not my thing yet.
I started enjoy NBA around 2000 I guess, so I don't really mind them at all, but you got me curious, maybe if I have some extra time now, I'll watch this one.

I would love to watch it whenever get time because not long ago started watching and loving this sport and makes me so happy seeing the good teams battles on the court and the way they keep passing the ball to each other inspite of opposition. So for me it is going to be a good games to watch some of the best legends of the past in 1989 and enjoy my time as well.

Well, they'll release two episodes every monday. Episode 3 and 4 just released yesterday.

[Ziskinberg]

@mich, Thanks for sharing the link, I check the website and I was able to load the series.. going to watch it today, no Netflix account, no problem. 

[Rikafip]

For me, it had always been the Bulls team and not just Jordan. They all made their contributions which made them a champion.
It is not a one man team. If asked who is better in that Bulls team, yes it is Jordan. But credits is to everyone specially Coach Phil.

Yeah, thanks to Phil Jackson Jordan realized that he won't be able to win championships unless Bulls offense start using the other guys as well. During those few years with Doug Collins Bulls offense was all about Jordan, making plays just for him, scoring 40+ regularly in the playoffs against best defensive team of all time, but as we know it , it wasn't enough. He would  maybe win 1-2 championships with Collins, but Phil was the guy that lifted Jordan and whole franchise to another level.

Regarding Kukoc, even here in Croatia people sometimes forget how great he was. Here we always talk about Petrovic, but Kukoc was even more talented, and he should have much better career (not that winning 3 titles is bad). Even Phil admitted that he never really watched many Kukoc games before NBA. When he came to NBA, they saw his height (2.11 m) and told him that he will play power forward, something that he never played, forcing him to fight with those big guys while he was completely  different type of player.
Back in 1987 at the u19 World Championship Yugoslavia beat United States 2 times and eventually won the world title. In the first game vs United States Kukoc completely destroyed Americans , shooting 11/12 for three. He was eventually voted MVP of that championship. 1990- Yugoslavia again World Champion, beating States in the semi-finals , Kukoc MVP again.

We can see now how times changed, Doncic came as a great talent, and they simply gave him the ball and told him to do whatever  he wants. No one expected that with Kukoc of course, as he came to the team with Jordan&Pippen, but as a huge Kukoc fan since 1989-1990 (I can't remember exactly) I really think that Bulls should have use him better.

[btc_angela]

Have you guys watching "The Last Dance" series in Netflix?

I never thought that Pistons was deadly team way back 1989 with at 10% chance of winning when other teams faced them. More like a MAFIA way back then.

Yes, but the first episode only. So I will just give my opinion on Pistons and how I remember them back them. They were the bad boys, so obviously they are very intimidating team and back them the referee only blows their whistle if there is really a hard foul. Well you can describe them Mafia, Boston and Chicago are their main rivals and then have just had a back to back NBA wins and trying to get a three peat when Jordan stops them. For sure it was covered on the series and for those who haven't seen the rest of it, this could be a spoiler alert.

[asu]

Have you guys watching "The Last Dance" series in Netflix?

I never thought that Pistons was deadly team way back 1989 with at 10% chance of winning when other teams faced them. More like a MAFIA way back then.

Yes, but the first episode only. So I will just give my opinion on Pistons and how I remember them back them. They were the bad boys, so obviously they are very intimidating team and back them the referee only blows their whistle if there is really a hard foul. Well you can describe them Mafia, Boston and Chicago are their main rivals and then have just had a back to back NBA wins and trying to get a three peat when Jordan stops them. For sure it was covered on the series and for those who haven't seen the rest of it, this could be a spoiler alert.

Oh wow. I've never done my research so thanks for this (if you remembered it correctly). I hope I get the chance to watch MJ way back then after 4 of the episodes has been out. It really is interesting.

I don't think you spoil that a lot.