2024 NBA Season

[Ziskinberg]

I was still young during that time when I see a lot of Piston jerseys in the neighborhood when I grew up. I watch games when I was younger but not really aware of their fame and other kinds of stuff.

I only witness how great pistons during the time of Chauncey Billups,  Ben Wallace, Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince.
I was just surprise that Pistons was already the bad boys way back, I hope that stays in the blood until now, but Pistons now are a weak team already.

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[Reid]

I was still young during that time when I see a lot of Piston jerseys in the neighborhood when I grew up. I watch games when I was younger but not really aware of their fame and other kinds of stuff.

I only witness how great pistons during the time of Chauncey Billups,  Ben Wallace, Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince.
I was just surprise that Pistons was already the bad boys way back, I hope that stays in the blood until now, but Pistons now are a weak team already.

Indeed, the bad boys really came from that 80's team.
Laimbeer, Isiah, Rodman, Mahorn, Salley, etc. They are aggressive, they will put a lot of pressure if they see someone which does a lot of fire power.
Even Larry Bird didn't escape those guys.
It is actually pure defense, but that sticky sweat to sweat kind of defense will take away your game mentally.
That is where they are strong at and also how they put MJ down. But he did learn from it. Gotta keep his cool.  

Larry Brown revived this kind of method in his Pistons days. He input strength in defense and they made a record that whenever an opponent scores below 100 points, Pistons win it. It shows what they are made of.

[boyptc]

I was still young during that time when I see a lot of Piston jerseys in the neighborhood when I grew up. I watch games when I was younger but not really aware of their fame and other kinds of stuff.

I only witness how great pistons during the time of Chauncey Billups,  Ben Wallace, Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince.
I was just surprise that Pistons was already the bad boys way back, I hope that stays in the blood until now, but Pistons now are a weak team already.

I remember those names hehe! Brings back my childhood and the jerseys that I used to see from people in my old place were names of

Billups and Wallace.

I also remember Hamilton, the guy with the basketball mask.

[TheGreatPython]

I really do not think that Pistons way was good at all, maybe when you watch you might want some hard defense but we are not talking about hard defense, we are talking about actually wanting to injure other players, there is a HUGE difference between hardcore defense that 2004 Pistons or the Grit and Grind Grizzlies or even Pacers of 2005ish times had played and the defense of Bad Boys, they were just basically doing as much on the court as they can without it becoming criminal offense, if you actually jumped on somebody to hurt them and they broke their foot you would be at least jailed for a while until court hearing, probably would get some sort of punishment as well, but when they realized they could do that and not even get a slap on the wrist they started to actually hurt people.

"IF" they played today, they would basically be "lynched" by the social media PC world and just force Adam Silvers hands to punish them accordingly, otherwise there would be tons of "boycott NBA!!" type of twitter trends going on constantly.

[chaser15]

I was just surprise that Pistons was already the bad boys way back, I hope that stays in the blood until now, but Pistons now are a weak team already.

Even that kind of bad boys attitude is still on Pistons now, there is no way they can dominate the league today. Being continuously aggressive isn't an effective solution in the long-run providing all players can now shoot outside. No need to take bloody contact below the rim. That's the solution that other teams did to find a hole of lacking a good center but has a quick and sharpshooter role players. Golden State Warriors is the best example of it.

And as more years pass by, it's impossible that no teams can find a way to defeat those bad boys. In addition, trade always happened. There is no way that a player transferred to Detroit will just do that attitude just because their coach asked to do it or they wear the Pistons jersey.

[Natalim]

I also remember Hamilton, the guy with the basketball mask.

The guy wearing the mask but this guy is really good, they are not retired I guess.

The only player I saw who are still playing I think last year or the other year was only Tayshaun Prince..

edit.. I search to confirm, he was last played with the Timberwolves in 2015-16 season, still fresh in my mind though. so I though that was last year or the other year... but really this guy is good too.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/p/tayshaun_prince.htm

[Rosilito]

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Thompson is a great defender as well. Like back then in finals between Cavs and GSW it is Thompson who used to defend Kyrie, and you'll see Kyrie got a hard time somehow. When it comes to offense, indeed GSW as a whole keeps on going around specially the splash brothers, their big mans knows when to give a screen in order for two to have a clear path on shooting in 3 pt line. Reminds me of the breakdown video of their offense, forgot what it is called, it is... something like Elevator Doors. It is like, man nobody could even get close to Curry behind the line. And them as a whole they prioritizes passing rather than having a single man making play alone. That's why they are so great even KD haven't been recruited yet. Anyway don't get me wrong, I am not a fan of GSW.

Warriors have been very consistent, even with the line up now (without KD), I still believe they will get into the NBA Finals.
Honestly, I can't wait to see a healthy warriors playing again, and i think the pandemic gives them more time to recover, especially Thompson.

Agree man. However, they aren't the only team who is capable of getting in playoffs or even in the finals. These promising young guns have to be considered as well Luka Doncic, Zion Williamson, Ja Morrant, and Trae Young they are scary, I mean, just look on where these man are capable as of their rookie state, and imagine how capable they would be in the future. Curry and Thompson have been tainted by injuries if they could still get their accuracy, and playstyle like to what it was then they might be still one of a terrifying team to face-off.
Not to mention Giannis team, and Kawhi's, man, NBA team roster is a whole lot different now.

[rhomelmabini]

The guy wearing the mask but this guy is really good, they are not retired I guess.

The only player I saw who are still playing I think last year or the other year was only Tayshaun Prince..

edit.. I search to confirm, he was last played with the Timberwolves in 2015-16 season, still fresh in my mind though. so I though that was last year or the other year... but really this guy is good too.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/p/tayshaun_prince.htm

Well, he's retired on 2016-2017 season, he's in his 40's now I guess that's the reason. Imagine being on Sophomore year and he already got a championship I think that's a major achievement in his career. I could remember him playing with the Memphis along with Randolph, Gasol, and Conley. He's good especially on the board and with those length of hands he surely is dominant on that area.

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I only long for the Clippers right now I think they have the dynamic roster in the NBA.

[boyptc]

I also remember Hamilton, the guy with the basketball mask.

The guy wearing the mask but this guy is really good, they are not retired I guess.

The only player I saw who are still playing I think last year or the other year was only Tayshaun Prince..

edit.. I search to confirm, he was last played with the Timberwolves in 2015-16 season, still fresh in my mind though. so I though that was last year or the other year... but really this guy is good too.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/p/tayshaun_prince.htm

As per Wikipedia, his last team was Chicago bulls but his stay with the Pistons was the longest.

Watching them grow old, retire makes us also feel old.

[Reid]

I really do not think that Pistons way was good at all, maybe when you watch you might want some hard defense but we are not talking about hard defense, we are talking about actually wanting to injure other players, there is a HUGE difference between hardcore defense that 2004 Pistons or the Grit and Grind Grizzlies or even Pacers of 2005ish times had played and the defense of Bad Boys, they were just basically doing as much on the court as they can without it becoming criminal offense, if you actually jumped on somebody to hurt them and they broke their foot you would be at least jailed for a while until court hearing, probably would get some sort of punishment as well, but when they realized they could do that and not even get a slap on the wrist they started to actually hurt people.

"IF" they played today, they would basically be "lynched" by the social media PC world and just force Adam Silvers hands to punish them accordingly, otherwise there would be tons of "boycott NBA!!" type of twitter trends going on constantly.

It's a physical game, what do you expect.
Try to compare it with American Football and Rugby, it is worse.

This is another example of us getting dragged by NBA getting softer.
We want them just trying to evade someone who is forcing their way into the paint?
That is not how it is. You try to stop them as much as you could as long as it is in the book.
Now, some injuries may happen but some of them are not intentional. Accidents will happen.

Try playing streetball and you could see real basketball.
I had been hurt so bad in the streets but I always tell myself that is how it is.
If you can't take it, don't play at all. Try chess.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/28/the-last-dance-bill-laimbeer-escalates-feud-with-whining-bulls/

This is also why I like Lebron in his own way.
He doesn't whine.
He had been physically hurt in mid-air or dragged down but he knows it is part of the game.

[mich]

NBA reportedly considering Walt Disney World as possible site to finish 2019-20 season
https://twitter.com/Stadium/status/1255646231273132044

“I’m told Disney’s believed to have already offered up its property as the NBA sees fit. The NBA has discussed and considered several different playing sites, Orlando being the latest. Las Vegas has also been discussed.”

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2020/4/29/21242284/nba-considering-walt-disney-world-to-finish-2020-21-season

[Rikafip]

I really do not think that Pistons way was good at all, maybe when you watch you might want some hard defense but we are not talking about hard defense, we are talking about actually wanting to injure other players, there is a HUGE difference between hardcore defense that 2004 Pistons or the Grit and Grind Grizzlies or even Pacers of 2005ish times had played and the defense of Bad Boys.

Those were different times, with different set of rules. They didn't have offense potential of Celtics and Lakers, they had tough and gritty players, that used their skill set best. It looks easy, just but it isn't at all, and I admire them for taking different  approach from then reigning teams, and beating them.. And it wasn't about injuring other players, it was about psychology game too, initimidating the opponents, and getting them out of rhythm. There is a good quote from thier most notorious player, Laimbeer, about that aspect.

''A lot of basketball is mental,'' Laimbeer said. ''Some people find the way I play very frustrating. They can`t handle it. I throw them off their game.
''I`m playing to win, and I`ll use all my tools, both physically and mentally, to win the game. Other players don`t like that, and I can`t help that. I have to do what I do best. I call it gamesmanship.''

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After all, they called them Bad Boys for a reason, they had no respect for anyone,  and they did whatever was needed to win, including dirty tricks. And that is something that didn't fit the NBA, as majority people didn't want to watch something like that on the regular basis. They want attractive slam dunks, and bunch of points.

[matchi2011]

I also remember Hamilton, the guy with the basketball mask.

The guy wearing the mask but this guy is really good, they are not retired I guess.

The only player I saw who are still playing I think last year or the other year was only Tayshaun Prince..

edit.. I search to confirm, he was last played with the Timberwolves in 2015-16 season, still fresh in my mind though. so I though that was last year or the other year... but really this guy is good too.

https://www.landofbasketball.com/nba_players/p/tayshaun_prince.htm

As per Wikipedia, his last team was Chicago bulls but his stay with the Pistons was the longest.

Watching them grow old, retire makes us also feel old.

I remember this team who almost achieved what the badboys did, I was thinking that this team who composed of Billups, Prince, Wallace, and Hamilton will also have back-to-back in their era but Spurs defeated them in game 7 of 2005.
This team beats Lakers who have Malone, Payton, Kobe and Shaq.

[mirakal]

This team beats Lakers who have Malone, Payton, Kobe and Shaq.

I wasn't able to follow that, is that the reason why Shaq transferred to other team?

I think with so much star in a team who are willing to score, it does not work in the past since most of the plays are from the inside.
TBH, only the warriors team I saw that despite having a lot of stars playing, they are still able to blend very well.

I only saw the part when the Spurs are playing with the bad boys, and it was a real good series.

[Reid]

This team beats Lakers who have Malone, Payton, Kobe and Shaq.

I wasn't able to follow that, is that the reason why Shaq transferred to other team?

I think with so much star in a team who are willing to score, it does not work in the past since most of the plays are from the inside.
TBH, only the warriors team I saw that despite having a lot of stars playing, they are still able to blend very well.

I only saw the part when the Spurs are playing with the bad boys, and it was a real good series.

There is a funny part there which is also the truth.
Malone and Payton came to that roster just seeking for a ring.
That is their final chance and they went to the strongest team before retirement.
Somehow, it still didn't happen.

Should have just left a great history from them staying with their teams.
They are not losers, they are still winners and it will be written in books. But going that far, there may be a little group of their fans which they lose from doing it.

[stadus]

But going that far, there may be a little group of their fans which they lose from doing it.

Probably you are right, but some players wants a championship as that would give them full satisfaction as a great player, but they just failed.
A lot of great players in the NBA that was not able to win a championship, they joined a good team to increase their chance but failed, just like Steve Nash who joined Kobe.

[TheGreatPython]

I am not saying do not have hard defense, I am saying there is a HUGE difference between hard defense and physically going after the players to injure. Go check out the bad boys era and how Laimbeer or Rodman played during those times, you will realize that more than any other player Laimbeer actually wanted to hurt people, literally go up to injure them if he can by the rules of the game.

Compare that to 2004 pistons, you think 2004 pistons wasn't hard defense team? Hell Rasheed Wallece was basically an enforcer as well, Ben Wallace was the best rim defender I can ever think of, dude was just insane, Prince had those looooooong arms that he can defend very well, basically all in all 2004 pistons was epitome of good hard defense that was amazing to watch, I would prefer 2004 pistons over any team in the league history because I love defense, however there should be a limit between hard defense and actually wanting to injure players, intention is where it is and if your intention is to play hard defense but you end up hurting someone mistakenly that's fine, you didn't want that to happen and it is basketball sometimes players gets injured, however if you really WANTED to injure a player, that is disgusting and that is why I love 2004 pistons but I hate 1988 Pistons, BIG HUGE difference.

[casperBGD]

however if you really WANTED to injure a player, that is disgusting and that is why I love 2004 pistons but I hate 1988 Pistons, BIG HUGE difference.

agree on this one, there is a big difference and hard defense is when to play pressing and close to players, but without intention to hurt someone, just to make attacking team nervous, so that they make more mistakes, it is hard to do it, and requires total strength from players that are playing defense, also influence lack of easy scoring in the attack mode for the team

[Captain Corporate]

 Think about it this way, there are very good defensive players right now and there has always been good defense players in the history of NBA, many people talk about how "nba is pure offense these days" and so forth but thats mainly because teams only have defense specialty players amongts themselves but not all in one place. What if you had Pat Bev on point guard, Marcus Smart on Shooting Guard, Kawhi Leonard on Small Forward, Either Paskal Siakam (because he is very good on defense) or basically just get Giannis for Power Forward and had Rudy Gobert on Center, that 5 would be a BEAST on defense right? Put a great defensive coach on them instead of someone like Dantoni, and you have yourself the best defensive five in the last 10 years, yet we all know those players would never want to harm anyone (even tho Rudy almost spread Corona to nba just himself ) they would both stop everyone but at the same time would be friends with others too, thats what matters, play tough D on court, but never intend to hurt neither pscyhologically or physically.

[Ziskinberg]

however if you really WANTED to injure a player, that is disgusting and that is why I love 2004 pistons but I hate 1988 Pistons, BIG HUGE difference.

agree on this one, there is a big difference and hard defense is when to play pressing and close to players, but without intention to hurt someone, just to make attacking team nervous, so that they make more mistakes, it is hard to do it, and requires total strength from players that are playing defense, also influence lack of easy scoring in the attack mode for the team

I wonder what would be the scoring range of the team that plays against the bad boys pistons in 1988.. If they are so physical then probably their opponent will be having a hard time to score, probably the score would not reach 100 points per game, or maybe they'll just hit 60 or 70 points, that's the lowest already at the current state of the basketball.