[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[fonsie]

NOBODY gives a fuck who's fault it is, on mytrezor I can see the following "Backend powered by Bits Of Proof", every time there was a problem, it was solved by restarting the BACKEND.
So instead of trying to put the blame on Sathosilabs who has paid you for a product and had faith in you, when all the big boys were running to chain.com with their money, you could have fixed it already... making all of sathosilabs it's customers happy, thus making your customer happy and eventually making you happy.

Yet you have chosen to do the opposite.

My mail was to those who give a fuck. No, you do not have to.

I have not chosen to make customer unhappy, but am acting within limits, just like anyone else.

Maybe I have mistaken this to a forum that deserves more context.

Act fast and adequate within your limits, so that we don't have to give a fuck.

Telling us that your product is superior, but that chain got more money because they are from silicon valley, isn't going to solve the problem and neither will it be a confidence booster for potential future customers.

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Guys can I ask you a question please I have read as much of this as I understand but is it wise to keep all my bitcoins on one of these?

[fonsie]

Guys can I ask you a question please I have read as much of this as I understand but is it wise to keep all my bitcoins on one of these?

10000% YES, as long as you keep the seed generated on initial setup in safe storage on a piece of paper.

BOP, myTrezor, the TREZOR itself, sathosilabs, they can all blow up and dissapear from the face of the planet...

With https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, you can create all your private keys and import them old school in even an old version of Bitcoin-qt.

[instagibbs]

Trezor I believe is aiming to split the private seed across multiple Trezors.

I think most want multisig for the 2-of-2 instant confirmation.

[keithers]

Guys can I ask you a question please I have read as much of this as I understand but is it wise to keep all my bitcoins on one of these?

10000% YES, as long as you keep the seed generated on initial setup in safe storage on a piece of paper.

BOP, myTrezor, the TREZOR itself, sathosilabs, they can all blow up and dissapear from the face of the planet...

With https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, you can create all your private keys and import them old school in even an old version of Bitcoin-qt.

They should all be safe there, but I am never a proponent of keeping all of your coins in one spot.   I would recommend keeping a little on blockchain.info (because of convenience), and maybe some on another client like electrum or bitcoin core, etc.   If all of your coins are on the trezor, and you want to spend money (and you don't have the physical trezor), then you are unable to spend/send any coins.   

[fonsie]

Guys can I ask you a question please I have read as much of this as I understand but is it wise to keep all my bitcoins on one of these?

10000% YES, as long as you keep the seed generated on initial setup in safe storage on a piece of paper.

BOP, myTrezor, the TREZOR itself, sathosilabs, they can all blow up and dissapear from the face of the planet...

With https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, you can create all your private keys and import them old school in even an old version of Bitcoin-qt.

They should all be safe there, but I am never a proponent of keeping all of your coins in one spot.   I would recommend keeping a little on blockchain.info (because of convenience), and maybe some on another client like electrum or bitcoin core, etc.   If all of your coins are on the trezor, and you want to spend money (and you don't have the physical trezor), then you are unable to spend/send any coins.   

Blockchain.info I can agree on for ease of use in combination with an android phone, for small amounts, but once you have a trezor I see no reason for electrum or bitcoin core. If there's no access to the trezor, it should still be possible to create the private key with https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, import it into electrum, create and sign a transaction all OFFLINE and send the transaction with an online pc OR multiple other ways.

But putting some in electrum, some in bitcoin core and some in blockchain, kind of defeats the purpose of buying a Trezor.

[grau]

Act fast and adequate within your limits, so that we don't have to give a fuck.

That is the plan, and is not a new plan.

[AussieHash]

Trezor I believe is aiming to split the private seed across multiple Trezors.

I think most want multisig for the 2-of-2 instant confirmation.

For that you need a trusted third party, ie greenaddress. I am sure Trezor support will come, but trust will take longer. I can generate now a cold offline random wallet, HD wallet, or Trezor seed - and provide my own entropy.

Using 2of2 multisig requires you to be online and to trust the client software to be honest, and to trust your computer not to be backdoored. Looking at greenaddress' PDF there are several steps where you need to trust data is "deleted". However an attacker might be able to recover this. Also greenaddress has just implemented (I think) 2 of 3 multisig in the GUI which (I think) allows you to transact independently of greenaddress. These 2 of 3 multisig mnemonics are generate in your browser whilst you are online on the greeaddress website (and presumably require your client to send its 2of2 key to greenaddress.

There are benefits to 2of2 multisig, like 2fa, spending limits, instant confirmation but this already works with your smartphone app or chrome extension. No Trezor required.

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Guys can I ask you a question please I have read as much of this as I understand but is it wise to keep all my bitcoins on one of these?

10000% YES, as long as you keep the seed generated on initial setup in safe storage on a piece of paper.

BOP, myTrezor, the TREZOR itself, sathosilabs, they can all blow up and dissapear from the face of the planet...

With https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, you can create all your private keys and import them old school in even an old version of Bitcoin-qt.

Fonzie that github I can use with my seed right?

[tryexcept]

GreenAddress can be used with a key generated offline on the hardware wallet (not in the app) so this allows you to pair it with any key.


 

The code is open source on github and we actively discourage use of the web app (as opposed to local clients)

2of3 is supported and soon you will be able to provide your offline generated public key for advanced users (or another hardware wallet)

Oh, we are also quite close to release a new native app for each platform for a better safer and faster experience

[anaoum]

Hi all,

I have released a JavaScript-based Trezor/BIP39 recovery tool at http://anaoum.github.io/trezor-recovery/

This allows you to regenerate all the private/public keys used by your Trezor given the mnemonic and passphrase. This would be handy if, for example, your Trezor was stolen and you did not have another Trezor available to restore your mnemonic to.

You can run it completely offline from a live distro if you'd like. This can also be handy if you want to verify that you have correctly backed up your mnemonic/passphrase.

Source is open and available at https://github.com/anaoum/trezor-recovery

I originally forked the code at https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io

Let me know if you have any questions!

Thanks,
Andrew.

[chriswilmer]

Hi all,

I have released a JavaScript-based Trezor/BIP39 recovery tool at http://anaoum.github.io/trezor-recovery/

This allows you to regenerate all the private/public keys used by your Trezor given the mnemonic and passphrase. This would be handy if, for example, your Trezor was stolen and you did not have another Trezor available to restore your mnemonic to.

You can run it completely offline from a live distro if you'd like. This can also be handy if you want to verify that you have correctly backed up your mnemonic/passphrase.

Source is open and available at https://github.com/anaoum/trezor-recovery

I originally forked the code at https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io

Let me know if you have any questions!

Thanks,
Andrew.

Awesome!

[gweedo]

Hi all,

I have released a JavaScript-based Trezor/BIP39 recovery tool at http://anaoum.github.io/trezor-recovery/

This allows you to regenerate all the private/public keys used by your Trezor given the mnemonic and passphrase. This would be handy if, for example, your Trezor was stolen and you did not have another Trezor available to restore your mnemonic to.

You can run it completely offline from a live distro if you'd like. This can also be handy if you want to verify that you have correctly backed up your mnemonic/passphrase.

Source is open and available at https://github.com/anaoum/trezor-recovery

I originally forked the code at https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io

Let me know if you have any questions!

Thanks,
Andrew.

Awesome!

I don't see any BIP 44 code, besides the path, did bip32.js update to include bip44 since last time I tried it didn't work with a BIP 44 path?

[anaoum]

I don't see any BIP 44 code, besides the path, did bip32.js update to include bip44 since last time I tried it didn't work with a BIP 44 path?

I was having lots of trouble with the original bip32.js code using a BIP44 path but this was not specific to BIP44. Turns out there was a bug in the bip32.js code when deriving hardened keys. I submitted a pull request to them with the fix yesterday: https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io/pull/5

If you implement BIP32 correctly you do not need to change anything for BIP44. It is just a convention regarding which paths to use.

[molecular]

I don't see any BIP 44 code, besides the path, did bip32.js update to include bip44 since last time I tried it didn't work with a BIP 44 path?

I was having lots of trouble with the original bip32.js code using a BIP44 path but this was not specific to BIP44. Turns out there was a bug in the bip32.js code when deriving hardened keys. I submitted a pull request to them with the fix yesterday: https://github.com/bip32/bip32.github.io/pull/5

you are awesome! thank you.

[fonsie]

Guys can I ask you a question please I have read as much of this as I understand but is it wise to keep all my bitcoins on one of these?

10000% YES, as long as you keep the seed generated on initial setup in safe storage on a piece of paper.

BOP, myTrezor, the TREZOR itself, sathosilabs, they can all blow up and dissapear from the face of the planet...

With https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, you can create all your private keys and import them old school in even an old version of Bitcoin-qt.

Fonzie that github I can use with my seed right?

yep I tested it myself. Just make sure you do it on a clean computer that is offline.

[armory]

how to recovery my wallet now that i allready made it with 24 words in mytrezor if wallett 32 support only 12 words??

Do you have the newest version? AFAIK this one should support 24 words and optional passphrase.

what is afaik?

[gravitate]

Guys can I ask you a question please I have read as much of this as I understand but is it wise to keep all my bitcoins on one of these?

10000% YES, as long as you keep the seed generated on initial setup in safe storage on a piece of paper.

BOP, myTrezor, the TREZOR itself, sathosilabs, they can all blow up and dissapear from the face of the planet...

With https://dcpos.github.io/bip39/, you can create all your private keys and import them old school in even an old version of Bitcoin-qt.

Fonzie that github I can use with my seed right?

yep I tested it myself. Just make sure you do it on a clean computer that is offline.

Awesome thanks :_)

[stick]

what is afaik?

As Far As I Know

[lyth0s]

What is everyone's preferred wallet to use with the Trezor? I'm thinking it's time for me to buy one and would like to look into what wallet service to use.

I know of mytrezor.

I can't find Electrum 2.0 that supports it.