[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[simonk83]

Still waiting for delivery in Australia (posted on the 5th)    Anyone else over here received theirs yet?

My first edition classic order still doesn't track via Auspost.

I can see it was logged on the Czech system on 28th July

Still waiting for mine, just curious if yours has turned up yet?

[AussieHash]

Still waiting for delivery in Australia (posted on the 5th)    Anyone else over here received theirs yet?

My first edition classic order still doesn't track via Auspost.

I can see it was logged on the Czech system on 28th July

Still waiting for mine, just curious if yours has turned up yet?

No.  I received my bitmain orders within 2-3 days from China but 3.5 weeks from .Cz and still "No tracking events found" on auspost.

[simonk83]

Still waiting for delivery in Australia (posted on the 5th)    Anyone else over here received theirs yet?

My first edition classic order still doesn't track via Auspost.

I can see it was logged on the Czech system on 28th July

Still waiting for mine, just curious if yours has turned up yet?

No.  I received my bitmain orders within 2-3 days from China but 3.5 weeks from .Cz and still "No tracking events found" on auspost.

Ok, at least it's not just me

[keithers]

Hey guys, when you have updated firmware on your Trezor, has it asked you every time for the recovery seed?   I don't recall mine asking...

[kkurtmann]

Hey guys, when you have updated firmware on your Trezor, has it asked you every time for the recovery seed?   I don't recall mine asking...

 no because I updated it before I used it, it kinda made me

[klokan]

Hey guys, when you have updated firmware on your Trezor, has it asked you every time for the recovery seed?   I don't recall mine asking...

It asks for recovery seed only if you flash unsigned firmware OR something goes wrong during flashing. I flashed mine and I did not need to do the recovery (this should be 99% of all cases). In case you are running unsinged firmware, device will tell you that and you have to confirm that with a button. You should be very suspicious when you see that and don't do recovery unless you are sure that running unsinged firmware is what you want.

[instagibbs]

After learning the most i could about wallets in the last week or so im going with multibit ofline usb starage untill i can get a trezor in the next week or so.
Anybody used on of the mycellium usb cold starage thats ment to be about $40, if so an good?

Entropy is good but spending is hard.

Multisig paper wallets removes a lot of the risk. Although UX-wise it's still incredibly clunky.

[5cMXezpBtm]

Isn't it unsecure to configure the inital PIN via the MyTrezor website application? Couldn't the PIN be be stored on the webserver together with the Trezor ID? (perhaps a question for the FAQ). Can one use the Trezor completely local without the MyTrezor website (e.g. only with MultiBitHD when it supports Trezor), even the initial PIN configuration ?

[Perlover]

Isn't it unsecure to configure the inital PIN via the MyTrezor website application? Couldn't the PIN be be stored on the webserver together with the Trezor ID? (perhaps a question for the FAQ)

Computer doesn't have a pin numbers. It has only clicked positions of matrix 3x3
PIN numbers never leave the Trezro device.
Please read FAQ and Manual

[5cMXezpBtm]

Isn't it unsecure to configure the inital PIN via the MyTrezor website application? Couldn't the PIN be be stored on the webserver together with the Trezor ID? (perhaps a question for the FAQ)

Computer doesn't have a pin numbers. It has only clicked positions of matrix 3x3
PIN numbers never leave the Trezro device.
Please read FAQ and Manual

Yes, I read the docu about the innovative display of ? and the PIN number display, but I am no computer noob and did not get it right it seems precisely in matters of security, so a little more explanation would be good. Is that JavaScript stuff that runs locally on my computer, even if it is downloaded by the browser or something?

Ah, I guess You mean one clicks only the fileds in the matrix and provide that matrix positions and the order of them to the Trezor and only the Trezor (and You via the Trezor display) know, what numbers are that. OK. Had read the docu and did not understand that very clear, so let my question be an appell for clearer and easier to understand documentation (for paranoids like me).

[blossbloss]

New question that I don't think I've seen before:

When I buy a 2nd Trezor (in black, when available  ), if I use my same Recovery Seed and multi-passphrase to make a clone of my White Trezor, will they stay synced?

My intuition tells me that any transactions made on either Trezor (in any order) will immediately be synced up when the other Trezor is plugged in to the online computer through myTrezor.com.  This seems logical to me since the same heirarchical / deterministic addresses and keys are created in both.  The only thing I'm not sure about is when I request a new address on one (say the White one), will a signed transaction to the blockchain be recognized when I plug in the other one (Black)?

Basic question: Is it safe to make two identical Trezors? (Same: device label, recovery seeds, multi-passphrases, PIN)

Thanks!

It should all work. I'm just not sure what would happen if you used those two devices at the same time on mytrezor.com with two computers.

Well, maybe a clarifying question:
If I have clone Trezors, one white and one black, and then on the white one, in the Receive tab, I press the "+ More Please" button a few times to create several next addresses.  Let's say I receive some BTC into one of the later addresses (after skipping a few empty ones).  Then I unplug the white trezor, and plug in the black Trezor.  Will it correctly show the new BTC in the appropriate address?

I'm hoping a Trezor developer can answer this definitively.

Thanks

[blossbloss]

Just testing my new Trezor to better understand it.  I sent myself 50 mBTC.  Then I sent 15 mBTC to another address in my Armory account.  On the blockchain, I can see that the 15 mBTC went to the right address, and it looks like the change went to a different address.  On my Trezor, the account shows the right amount (35 mBTC), but I can't find that change address anywhere.  Where is it?  How do I keep track of exactly which addresses have what amounts of BTC?  Or am I not supposed to?

Also, is there a tutorial anywhere on how to interpret the BIP32 Path: m/44'/0'/0'/0/1 data?

Thanks

[keithers]

Just testing my new Trezor to better understand it.  I sent myself 50 mBTC.  Then I sent 15 mBTC to another address in my Armory account.  On the blockchain, I can see that the 15 mBTC went to the right address, and it looks like the change went to a different address.  On my Trezor, the account shows the right amount (35 mBTC), but I can't find that change address anywhere.  Where is it?  How do I keep track of exactly which addresses have what amounts of BTC?  Or am I not supposed to?

Also, is there a tutorial anywhere on how to interpret the BIP32 Path: m/44'/0'/0'/0/1 data?

Thanks

I don't really ever keep track of any loose change addresses...just the addresses that hold the main amount of BTC.  I think that is one of the whole points of the trezor though, so you don't have to keep track of any addresses, they are all just sitting there conveniently on the web browser when you go to mytrezor.com

[BurtW]

Well, maybe a clarifying question:
If I have clone Trezors, one white and one black, and then on the white one, in the Receive tab, I press the "+ More Please" button a few times to create several next addresses.  Let's say I receive some BTC into one of the later addresses (after skipping a few empty ones).  Then I unplug the white trezor, and plug in the black Trezor.  Will it correctly show the new BTC in the appropriate address?

I'm hoping a Trezor developer can answer this definitively.

Thanks

It is not accepted practice to skip addresses.  You will not lose any BTC of course but your balances may not agree.  It would be an interesting experiment to try.  From what I can tell the Trezor may not have the correct balance until you use the empty addresses and the balance calculating mechanism "catches up" to the BTC you banished to the island of the future.

[blossbloss]

Just testing my new Trezor to better understand it.  I sent myself 50 mBTC.  Then I sent 15 mBTC to another address in my Armory account.  On the blockchain, I can see that the 15 mBTC went to the right address, and it looks like the change went to a different address.  On my Trezor, the account shows the right amount (35 mBTC), but I can't find that change address anywhere.  Where is it?  How do I keep track of exactly which addresses have what amounts of BTC?  Or am I not supposed to?

Also, is there a tutorial anywhere on how to interpret the BIP32 Path: m/44'/0'/0'/0/1 data?

Thanks

I don't really ever keep track of any loose change addresses...just the addresses that hold the main amount of BTC.  I think that is one of the whole points of the trezor though, so you don't have to keep track of any addresses, they are all just sitting there conveniently on the web browser when you go to mytrezor.com

So this means I only get to see the receiving addresses, and the Trezor keeps track of where all the trace BTC are and just shows me the sum.  It feels a bit weird for me not to be able to see the exact list of addresses where all the BTC are actually residing as recorded on the blockchain.

[BurtW]

Just testing my new Trezor to better understand it.  I sent myself 50 mBTC.  Then I sent 15 mBTC to another address in my Armory account.  On the blockchain, I can see that the 15 mBTC went to the right address, and it looks like the change went to a different address.  On my Trezor, the account shows the right amount (35 mBTC), but I can't find that change address anywhere.  Where is it?  How do I keep track of exactly which addresses have what amounts of BTC?  Or am I not supposed to?

Also, is there a tutorial anywhere on how to interpret the BIP32 Path: m/44'/0'/0'/0/1 data?

Thanks

I don't really ever keep track of any loose change addresses...just the addresses that hold the main amount of BTC.  I think that is one of the whole points of the trezor though, so you don't have to keep track of any addresses, they are all just sitting there conveniently on the web browser when you go to mytrezor.com

So this means I only get to see the receiving addresses, and the Trezor keeps track of where all the trace BTC are and just shows me the sum.  It feels a bit weird for me not to be able to see the exact list of addresses where all the BTC are actually residing as recorded on the blockchain.

Wallet32 shows you the change addresses also.  If you want this feature just send a feature request to them.

[gweedo]

So is Slush or Stick going to refund me my 3 BTCs or at least fix the site? I mean this is them holding my coins hostage with a bad product.

There a few people that have reach out to my via my email address and told me that they been waiting since they got the trezor to have this fixed...

I really hope slush and stick have a good legal team, I smell a class action lawsuit coming down the pipe!


Edit: I have left the entire team, more negative feedback as this is unacceptable business!

[AussieHash]

Still waiting for delivery in Australia (posted on the 5th)   Anyone else over here received theirs yet?

My first edition classic order still doesn't track via Auspost.
I can see it was logged on the Czech system on 28th July

Still waiting for mine, just curious if yours has turned up yet?

No.  I received my bitmain orders within 2-3 days from China but 3.5 weeks from .Cz and still "No tracking events found" on auspost.

Ok, at least it's not just me

Just arrived today! Tracking number was not on auspost website as of last night.

[kkurtmann]

Just testing my new Trezor to better understand it.  I sent myself 50 mBTC.  Then I sent 15 mBTC to another address in my Armory account.  On the blockchain, I can see that the 15 mBTC went to the right address, and it looks like the change went to a different address.  On my Trezor, the account shows the right amount (35 mBTC), but I can't find that change address anywhere.  Where is it?  How do I keep track of exactly which addresses have what amounts of BTC?  Or am I not supposed to?

Also, is there a tutorial anywhere on how to interpret the BIP32 Path: m/44'/0'/0'/0/1 data?

Thanks

I don't really ever keep track of any loose change addresses...just the addresses that hold the main amount of BTC.  I think that is one of the whole points of the trezor though, so you don't have to keep track of any addresses, they are all just sitting there conveniently on the web browser when you go to mytrezor.com

this is how a wallet is supposed to work. you guys do know that an address is not a wallet right? but that a wallet is made up of many addresses.
if you need to see the address of your change, from MyTrezor website click the little info link next to the transaction.

[klokan]

Well, maybe a clarifying question:
If I have clone Trezors, one white and one black, and then on the white one, in the Receive tab, I press the "+ More Please" button a few times to create several next addresses.  Let's say I receive some BTC into one of the later addresses (after skipping a few empty ones).  Then I unplug the white trezor, and plug in the black Trezor.  Will it correctly show the new BTC in the appropriate address?

I'm hoping a Trezor developer can answer this definitively.

Thanks

It is not accepted practice to skip addresses.  You will not lose any BTC of course but your balances may not agree.  It would be an interesting experiment to try.  From what I can tell the Trezor may not have the correct balance until you use the empty addresses and the balance calculating mechanism "catches up" to the BTC you banished to the island of the future.

This is specified in BIP44:
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0044.mediawiki#Address_gap_limit

You can have 19 unused adresses and if there are funds on 20th, you should see it in your balance. If you have more than 20, you just need to use some of them to make gap <20.

Pro tip: You can use bip32.org the way I posted couple of days ago to generate adresses with arbitrary gap. You can hide your funds this way.