[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[kkurtmann]

I wouldn't buy a trezor with locked firmware.

Luckily you don't have to.

[molecular]

During the recovery card stage of initialization I wish there was an option for "card splitting" using Shamir's Secret Sharing. I could write down the seeds on 3 cards knowing that at least 2 have to be combined for a restoration of funds or even the option to pick how it's split. It would be useful for giving the cards to family for safe keeping. It also would be more secure as you could lock up the cards in different locations.

How I did it:

CARD A: words 1-16
CARD B: words 9-24
CARD C: words 1-8 + 17-24

you can add some dummy words to get 24 words on the card and make it look like a full seed if you are paranoid

cool scheme, but not as good as sss (sharmirs secret sharing), which gives no information at all with < n pieces. With your scheme each card gives me part of the seed: I only need to bruteforce 8 words if I have one card.

[dillpicklechips]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

[gweedo]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

It is really only for windows, otherwise for linux or mac people you still need to have the proper dependencies to run it. So still not usable.

[klokan]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

It is really only for windows, otherwise for linux or mac people you still need to have the proper dependencies to run it. So still not usable.

Still quite major news for 90% of the users: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

[Coiner.de]

You likely noticed significant improvement of performce while myTREZOR retrieves balances.
The reason is an upgrade of the back end. Have fun.

I waited some time to be able to claim increased stability too.
There was not a single minute of disruption in service for nearly two weeks now and counting.

The Bits of Proof back end is serving thousands of users, lots simultanously and is retrieveing hundreds of transactions
out of tens of millions in matter of seconds or less with a criteria that is not a simple query but
a scan depending on previous hits.

This is not a negligible accomplishment, best illustrated by the fact that it is not yet matched by any other
implementation, not even for single user use.

I aopologize for any disruption, but have to emphasize that this software had uptimes north of 95%
in its worst weeks and is still improving.

Well, I admit that the transaction history is shown in a blink now.

But today I had the worst experience ever with myTREZOR while trying to send some coins.
The send button was disabled for no reason. I changed to the other account. Same thing. After changing tabs and accounts suddenly something happened on the other account.
So it's fee calculation that needs minutes?
Changing back to the account I wanted to send with it takes an awfully long time until the send button is finally enabled.
I confirm the transaction. But what now? "signing and sending" Never seen that before. Long time again. Finally ERROR. Please send the raw transaction yourself!

Well, thanks! That was a pleasure.

[tl121]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

I downloaded the Windows .exe file.  It ran on my Windows 7 system, but when it came across the Trezor wallet file that had been working with a build of an earlier version, it choked.  So I removed the Trezor wallet file and restarted the .exe.  This time it gave me the "create wallet" dialog, but this dialog did not include a decision box for "hardware wallet"  which the earlier build did have. So apparently this beta .exe file does not include Trezor support.

I tried running this same beta on a windows 8.1 tablet. This tablet had previously been running Electrum 1.9.8 and it had a suitable configuration file and a wallet that had been created on 1.9.8. When I started the beta .exe I got a Runtime Error R6034, "An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library incorrectly."  After dismissing this warning, the beta did come up and show the balance.

Unfortunately, the old 1.9.8 installation was now broken on this machine. To get it running it was necessary to delete the default wallet and recover it from seed.

[gweedo]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

It is really only for windows, otherwise for linux or mac people you still need to have the proper dependencies to run it. So still not usable.

Still quite major news for 90% of the users: http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

Not really around here, but ok you keep thinking that LOL.

[molecular]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

I downloaded the Windows .exe file.  It ran on my Windows 7 system, but when it came across the Trezor wallet file that had been working with a build of an earlier version, it choked.  So I removed the Trezor wallet file and restarted the .exe.  This time it gave me the "create wallet" dialog, but this dialog did not include a decision box for "hardware wallet"  which the earlier build did have. So apparently this beta .exe file does not include Trezor support.

Not sure if that's it, but can you check wether the trezor plugin is enabled in tools / plugins?

[dillpicklechips]

I don't know how it works but couldn't SatoshiLabs act as an OpenID provider allowing Trezors to be used for website log in?

[marcus_of_augustus]

I don't know how it works but couldn't SatoshiLabs act as an OpenID provider allowing Trezors to be used for website log in?

Yes I think this would work already through NameID, since namecoin keys are same as bitcoin keys.
https://nameid.org/

[grau]

You likely noticed significant improvement of performce while myTREZOR retrieves balances.
The reason is an upgrade of the back end. Have fun.

I waited some time to be able to claim increased stability too.
There was not a single minute of disruption in service for nearly two weeks now and counting.

The Bits of Proof back end is serving thousands of users, lots simultanously and is retrieveing hundreds of transactions
out of tens of millions in matter of seconds or less with a criteria that is not a simple query but
a scan depending on previous hits.

This is not a negligible accomplishment, best illustrated by the fact that it is not yet matched by any other
implementation, not even for single user use.

I aopologize for any disruption, but have to emphasize that this software had uptimes north of 95%
in its worst weeks and is still improving.

Well, I admit that the transaction history is shown in a blink now.

And that is exactly the back end does for you. Please contact SatoshiLabs with the rest.

[jackbox]

Why do sent payments show unconfirmed after many, many confirmations? It seems you have to close website, wait and then relaunch it to get them to show confirmed.

[tl121]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

I downloaded the Windows .exe file.  It ran on my Windows 7 system, but when it came across the Trezor wallet file that had been working with a build of an earlier version, it choked.  So I removed the Trezor wallet file and restarted the .exe.  This time it gave me the "create wallet" dialog, but this dialog did not include a decision box for "hardware wallet"  which the earlier build did have. So apparently this beta .exe file does not include Trezor support.

Not sure if that's it, but can you check wether the trezor plugin is enabled in tools / plugins?

The Trezor plug in is listed, but it is greyed out.  This was true without a Trezor connected.  I exited the program and connected my Trezor and repeated the test.  Again, the Trezor plug in was greyed out.

I note that the older version of Electrum 2.0 that I built from source had similar behavior.  If a non-Trezor wallet was restored from seed, the Trezor plugin was greyed out.  Apparently, the only way to get the Trezor plug in menue non-greyed out is to have already created a Trezor wallet, which I did using the initial Wallet Creation/Recovery screeen. Unfortunately, I was unable to do this with your .exe file since the Creation/Recovery screen didn't list a hardware wallet option. One further piece of information:  the Create/Recovery dialog with the older source file build includes the hardware wallet entry, even when starting without an Electrum directory in my App Data \ Roaming folder.
If I select this option then I get another screen that allows me to select Trezor. At that point (no Trezor connected) I get an error message that Trezor wasn't connected.  So you can duplicate this problem without actually having a Trezor to test.

[chrisrico]

How I did it:

CARD A: words 1-16
CARD B: words 9-24
CARD C: words 1-8 + 17-24

you can add some dummy words to get 24 words on the card and make it look like a full seed if you are paranoid

That is not a secure replacement for Shamir's secret sharing scheme. Specifically, with SSSS, having less than N pieces of the split secret provides no information about the secret itself.

[molecular]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

I downloaded the Windows .exe file.  It ran on my Windows 7 system, but when it came across the Trezor wallet file that had been working with a build of an earlier version, it choked.  So I removed the Trezor wallet file and restarted the .exe.  This time it gave me the "create wallet" dialog, but this dialog did not include a decision box for "hardware wallet"  which the earlier build did have. So apparently this beta .exe file does not include Trezor support.

Not sure if that's it, but can you check wether the trezor plugin is enabled in tools / plugins?

The Trezor plug in is listed, but it is greyed out.  This was true without a Trezor connected.  I exited the program and connected my Trezor and repeated the test.  Again, the Trezor plug in was greyed out.

I note that the older version of Electrum 2.0 that I built from source had similar behavior.  If a non-Trezor wallet was restored from seed, the Trezor plugin was greyed out.  Apparently, the only way to get the Trezor plug in menue non-greyed out is to have already created a Trezor wallet, which I did using the initial Wallet Creation/Recovery screeen. Unfortunately, I was unable to do this with your .exe file since the Creation/Recovery screen didn't list a hardware wallet option. One further piece of information:  the Create/Recovery dialog with the older source file build includes the hardware wallet entry, even when starting without an Electrum directory in my App Data \ Roaming folder.
If I select this option then I get another screen that allows me to select Trezor. At that point (no Trezor connected) I get an error message that Trezor wasn't connected.  So you can duplicate this problem without actually having a Trezor to test.

It's quite strange, I just tried this with git tag "2.0b2".

I had to copy folder "trezorlib" from python-trezor to electrum folder to get anything trezor related to work at all.

But even then the trezor plugin was still greyed out in plugin list.

However: I was able to create a new trezor-based wallet (wtf?)

After having created the wallet, the plugin was not grayed out any more and enabled.

maybe we should take this to https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues

[tl121]

Electrum Beta 2.0 binaries out: https://electrum.org/beta/ for those you want to use the Trezor without compiling software or using mytrezor.com

I downloaded the Windows .exe file.  It ran on my Windows 7 system, but when it came across the Trezor wallet file that had been working with a build of an earlier version, it choked.  So I removed the Trezor wallet file and restarted the .exe.  This time it gave me the "create wallet" dialog, but this dialog did not include a decision box for "hardware wallet"  which the earlier build did have. So apparently this beta .exe file does not include Trezor support.

Not sure if that's it, but can you check wether the trezor plugin is enabled in tools / plugins?

The Trezor plug in is listed, but it is greyed out.  This was true without a Trezor connected.  I exited the program and connected my Trezor and repeated the test.  Again, the Trezor plug in was greyed out.

I note that the older version of Electrum 2.0 that I built from source had similar behavior.  If a non-Trezor wallet was restored from seed, the Trezor plugin was greyed out.  Apparently, the only way to get the Trezor plug in menue non-greyed out is to have already created a Trezor wallet, which I did using the initial Wallet Creation/Recovery screeen. Unfortunately, I was unable to do this with your .exe file since the Creation/Recovery screen didn't list a hardware wallet option. One further piece of information:  the Create/Recovery dialog with the older source file build includes the hardware wallet entry, even when starting without an Electrum directory in my App Data \ Roaming folder.
If I select this option then I get another screen that allows me to select Trezor. At that point (no Trezor connected) I get an error message that Trezor wasn't connected.  So you can duplicate this problem without actually having a Trezor to test.

It's quite strange, I just tried this with git tag "2.0b2".

I had to copy folder "trezorlib" from python-trezor to electrum folder to get anything trezor related to work at all.

But even then the trezor plugin was still greyed out in plugin list.

However: I was able to create a new trezor-based wallet (wtf?)

After having created the wallet, the plugin was not grayed out any more and enabled.

maybe we should take this to https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/issues

Probably a good idea.

[dnaleor]

How I did it:

CARD A: words 1-16
CARD B: words 9-24
CARD C: words 1-8 + 17-24

you can add some dummy words to get 24 words on the card and make it look like a full seed if you are paranoid

That is not a secure replacement for Shamir's secret sharing scheme. Specifically, with SSSS, having less than N pieces of the split secret provides no information about the secret itself.

agreed, but at least it works for me without using a tool to use SSS myself.
I would off course welcome the implementation of SSS in Trezor itself.

[anarchoatheist]

I just ordered and received a trezor from here http://www.amazon.com/TREZOR-The-Bitcoin-Safe-Black/dp/B00R6MKDDE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423094732&sr=8-1&keywords=trezor.

Can someone please confirm this an official reseller and that the trezor is safe to use.

[windpath]

I just ordered and received a trezor from here http://www.amazon.com/TREZOR-The-Bitcoin-Safe-Black/dp/B00R6MKDDE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1423094732&sr=8-1&keywords=trezor.

Can someone please confirm this an official reseller and that the trezor is safe to use.

That's me, I'm the official reseller. Happy to answer any questions. TREZOR is shipped directly form SatoshiLabs to Amazons' secure warehouses and on to you.

Edit: This is the store link: http://www.amazon.com/shops/CoinCadence