[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[2586]

My personal opinion is that they never gave a promise that ALL future versions of the device will be open source and it's foolish to expect that.

While it isn't unheard of, it is fairly rare for open source projects to revert to being proprietary. Most high-profile instances of that happening have resulted in the project being forked and the original maintainers losing control of it. So no, it's not unreasonable to expect an open-source project to stay that way.

In this case, while I'm hoping that an effort to maintain the LGPL version of the Trezor firmware will take off, I suspect that the project may be too small at this point. The Trezor's install base isn't very large, and additional people likely to participate in such an effort are now unlikely to buy a Trezor.

If you don't like that buy other open source wallet

I did buy an open-source hardware wallet. That's the basis of my complaint.  ಠ_ಠ

[jmw74]

My personal opinion is that they never gave a promise that ALL future versions of the device will be open source and it's foolish to expect that.

While it isn't unheard of, it is fairly rare for open source projects to revert to being proprietary. Most high-profile instances of that happening have resulted in the project being forked and the original maintainers losing control of it. So no, it's not unreasonable to expect an open-source project to stay that way.

In this case, while I'm hoping that an effort to maintain the LGPL version of the Trezor firmware will take off, I suspect that the project may be too small at this point. The Trezor's install base isn't very large, and additional people likely to participate in such an effort are now unlikely to buy a Trezor.

If you don't like that buy other open source wallet

I did buy an open-source hardware wallet. That's the basis of my complaint.  ಠ_ಠ

I am happy with my purchase even if they never make another update. We can still modify any source older than yesterday's and distribute it amongst ourselves. That stupid git trick makes no difference. We have an intact GPL repo from yesterday, even if they overwrote theirs.

[devthedev]

Stupid move on their part, ledger it is.

[NLNico]

Ledger doesn't publish any source at all, at least the Trezor source is still available for audit. I don't agree with their decision but to consider Ledger all of the sudden better now, seems silly.

[molecular]

seems to me everybody is overreacting a bit.

I want trezor code to be continued to be developed by satoshilabs. I trust these guys and they have reacted quickly in the past to bug reports and security issues as witnessed regarding the firmware recently in public and a while ago by myself with an electrum interoperability issue (it was fixed within hours of me reporting it by ThomasV (electrum) and stick (trezor firmware)). I doubt the bwallet guys would've fixed anything that quickly: they're just freeriding.

I wouldn't trust the chinese copy-cats or even the opensource community with developing the firmware in a meaningful way (no incentive).

This is why I'm ok with paying a fat premium and if necessary I would support satoshilabs in other ways for continued maintenance and development of the codebase.

I think it's unfortunate that satoshilabs thinks they have to fight the chinese using men with guns, but I cannot change that. It's a decision by them we have to accept. I also think the 'backdating' of the license change is questionable (doesn't even work legally, I think), doesn't shed a good light. A better way could've been to change it honestly for versions > 1.3.0 and continue to make the firmware better. "Compete, don't whine and call for the state".

However, I do not think the licensing change will impact wallet integration negatively. A solution has to be found for altcoin devs, though.

I will continue to promote the trezor as the most secure hw wallet out there. I think reducing the price to somewhere between $60 and $99 would be a smart move, but that's only for satoshilabs to decide.

[klokan]

However, I do not think the licensing change will impact wallet integration negatively. A solution has to be found for altcoin devs, though.

Regarding altcoin integration, I believe satoshilabs are happy to add support in the device,but they won't create wallet for them. They said that many times. What it means is that if Electrum works with Trezor, Electrum-LTC will work as well. If there is ever in the future altcoin X that they decline to support, I'll type the one line here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0044.mediawiki#Registered_coin_types and here: https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/ed2e0d081b1f92fd4cf165e7bd426ef0b49e9675/firmware/coins.c myself.

[btchip]

Ledger doesn't publish any source at all, at least the Trezor source is still available for audit. I don't agree with their decision but to consider Ledger all of the sudden better now, seems silly.

to be honest, it's clear people claim that as a knee jerk reaction more than anything else - it's not like we saw an unprecendented surge of orders since yesterday

Clone guys have also proven on multiple occasions that they had no clues about what they were doing (broken bootloader, almost 1:1 clone but not fully compatible, supercookie, Java applet in 2015 ...)

IMHO Satoshilabs is free to do what they want re. licensing for future versions, all it would take to go back to business as usual would be to come clean on the 1.3.0 situation, because rewriting git history is something that can offend a lot of very noisy people

[NLNico]

After the change, we were amazed by the strength of the feedback showing that you all really do care about open source philosophy.

That’s why we have decided to revert the license change.

http://satoshilabs.com/news/2015-01-30-trezor-software-license/

Nice

[AussieHash]

License reverted and $30 off coupon. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u7dec/trezor_team_on_software_licensing_we_have_decided/

Thanks SL

[Erdogan]

After the change, we were amazed by the strength of the feedback showing that you all really do care about open source philosophy.

That’s why we have decided to revert the license change.

http://satoshilabs.com/news/2015-01-30-trezor-software-license/

Nice

This is great, and I think it is not bad financially. Here is why:

Clones will come, everybody will know that they are clones, so they can command only a lower price. USD 20 for parts is one thing, but there are also the supply chain, the factory, the marketing. If they can sell the clone for 80, they might make a small profit.

As this happens, you can still sell the original for 120 for quite some time, and you will be the leader even if, say, two of the best clones capture 70 % of the market. The clone makers will be half starving, while you can afford product development. You can be two steps ahead of the clones for years. When that is no longer possible, you can always lower your price abit and continue.

[NLNico]

For those searching for that coupon, its through the link:

https://www.buytrezor.com/?a=opensourcematters89 (so code: opensourcematters89)

It only shows in the cart.

[molecular]

License reverted and $30 off coupon. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u7dec/trezor_team_on_software_licensing_we_have_decided/

Thanks SL

Way To go imho... Thanks.

[gweedo]

License reverted and $30 off coupon. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u7dec/trezor_team_on_software_licensing_we_have_decided/

Thanks SL

Way To go imho... Thanks.

For some of us that just to get to the point, so what is the current license? LGPLv3

[Carlton Banks]

License reverted and $30 off coupon. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u7dec/trezor_team_on_software_licensing_we_have_decided/

Thanks SL

Excellent news. So much work has gone into Trezor, it would've been one more bad outcome that the bitcoin ecosystem doesn't need. I am very pleased to say that I will absolutely be in the market for a Trezor given this reversion. My faith in Satoshi Labs is restored.

[kkurtmann]

This clone wars movie was short lived. I was hoping for a few more days of drama.

[molecular]

License reverted and $30 off coupon. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2u7dec/trezor_team_on_software_licensing_we_have_decided/

Thanks SL

Excellent news. So much work has gone into Trezor, it would've been one more bad outcome that the bitcoin ecosystem doesn't need. I am very pleased to say that I will absolutely be in the market for a Trezor given this reversion. My faith in Satoshi Labs is restored.

I just hope satoshilabs will make it to the black numbers with the new approach. I think it's their best shot.

[dillpicklechips]

Thanks for staying opensource. I think of the Trezor firmware as a little Linux on a tiny crypto computer that will be used for more than just bitcoin. The hardware is going to spread everywhere but like "Red Hat" I bet people will pay a small premium for your brand and support expertise.

[chrisrico]

For some of us that just to get to the point, so what is the current license? LGPLv3

Looks like they completely reverted the change.

https://github.com/trezor/trezor-mcu/blob/master/COPYING

[dillpicklechips]

During the recovery card stage of initialization I wish there was an option for "card splitting" using Shamir's Secret Sharing. I could write down the seeds on 3 cards knowing that at least 2 have to be combined for a restoration of funds or even the option to pick how it's split. It would be useful for giving the cards to family for safe keeping. It also would be more secure as you could lock up the cards in different locations.

[Anon136]

I can empathize with how hard it must have been to see those chinese wonglords rip you off and sell your work at a lower price precisely because they had added no value what so ever. I'm willing to forgive. Thanks for reversing your decision.