[ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet

[TwinWinNerD]

Now I have no idea how to keep the trezor with me all the time

That little plastic bit where the cord wraps around seems pretty sturdy. Im sure you can think of something to interface with that.

That is the liitle hook that I was talking about earlier. That thing broke too. Now I can't attach anything to my trezor anymore

I could post a pic when I come home.

Not sure what to do really. I really can't justify buying a new one really.

[JorgeStolfi]

Plastics vary a lot in strength.  It seems worth requesting a tougher type of plastic from the case maker.  For such a small object, the extra cost should be small too.

[AussieHash]

https://i.imgur.com/4wepfqO.jpg
Not sure what to do really. I really can't justify buying a new one really.

The front she'll looks like it is disintegrating. I would contact support for an RMA.

[TwinWinNerD]

That is actually the protective sticker still on. Only thing broken is the plastic piece

[cbeast]

I just realized that the case still being discussed after two years of development.

[jmw74]

I nearly forgot:

PSA: Don't trust the little band on the trezor and the little hook, that holds the band. IT WILL TEAR and then you can potentially lose your trezor. I had my trezor on my keyband and first the connection from the black band to the metal tear, and then a week later the little hook, where the band is connected to the trezor broke off completely.

Now I have no idea how to keep the trezor with me all the time

Don't.

It's too expensive and there are too few uses for it away from home, right now.

It functions much better as a savings account than an everyday cash wallet.  I just withdraw from trezor to mycelium as-needed.

[guitarplinker]

I nearly forgot:

PSA: Don't trust the little band on the trezor and the little hook, that holds the band. IT WILL TEAR and then you can potentially lose your trezor. I had my trezor on my keyband and first the connection from the black band to the metal tear, and then a week later the little hook, where the band is connected to the trezor broke off completely.

Now I have no idea how to keep the trezor with me all the time

Don't.

It's too expensive and there are too few uses for it away from home, right now.

It functions much better as a savings account than an everyday cash wallet.  I just withdraw from trezor to mycelium as-needed.

Exactly. Keep a small amount of bitcoin in an easily accessible wallet and them keep the rest secure on your Trezor somewhere safe at home.

[blossbloss]

Have you guys seen this?

www.ledgerwallet.com

In their FAQ section, they compare themselves to Trezor, and identify several security flaws with Trezor. Are there any merits to their claims?

Thanks

[TwinWinNerD]

I nearly forgot:

PSA: Don't trust the little band on the trezor and the little hook, that holds the band. IT WILL TEAR and then you can potentially lose your trezor. I had my trezor on my keyband and first the connection from the black band to the metal tear, and then a week later the little hook, where the band is connected to the trezor broke off completely.

Now I have no idea how to keep the trezor with me all the time

Don't.

It's too expensive and there are too few uses for it away from home, right now.

It functions much better as a savings account than an everyday cash wallet.  I just withdraw from trezor to mycelium as-needed.

Exactly. Keep a small amount of bitcoin in an easily accessible wallet and them keep the rest secure on your Trezor somewhere safe at home.

Actually I thought that keeping the trezor with me was safer than keeping it at home

[lyth0s]

Maybe just hide it in your home. Sounds like a better plan than losing it while out on the town.


I just bought my Trezor yesterday. Can't wait to receive it

[TwinWinNerD]

Well, i bought it to be mobile with it.

[JorgeStolfi]

Keep a small amount of bitcoin in an easily accessible wallet and them keep the rest secure on your Trezor somewhere safe at home.

But the whole point of hardware wallets is that they can be used with untrusted computers, such as one may have to use while traveling.

[klokan]

Have you guys seen this?

www.ledgerwallet.com

In their FAQ section, they compare themselves to Trezor, and identify several security flaws with Trezor. Are there any merits to their claims?

Thanks

I quote the site: "The difference lies in the fact that Trezor is not built upon a secured microcontroller, leading to possible security holes such as side channel attacks, private keys leaks through code exploits and physical key extraction as soon as it is stolen."

The fact is that the Trezor is really not built on a secured microcontroller, however:
 - the possibility of security holes does not mean that there are some
 - and more importantly the use of secured microcontroller does not guarantee the absence of security holes

1. There is no known side channel attack on Trezor and even if there was one, it would probably require user to sign A LOT of transactions chosen by attacker which is not feasible attack vector.
2. It would be extremely difficult/impossible to exploit Trezor.
3. Physical extraction of password unprotected keys is possible (and this is known from the beginning) but it would be very expensive and it would require professional laboratory equipment and a lot of time. User would be able to move his funds using backup.

On the other hand Ledger Wallet requires secure computer to initialize and is less user friendly. I would recommend it to someone who needs product cheaper than Trezor, but I would not say that it's more secure.

[2112]

The fact is that the Trezor is really not built on a secured microcontroller, however:
 - the possibility of security holes does not mean that there are some
 - and more importantly the use of secured microcontroller does not guarantee the absence of security holes

You forgot to add one important issue for Bitcoiners:

 - the entire development toolchain for Trezor is open source, whereas dedicated secure micro-controllers frequently have only proprietary toolchains that cost money, are closed source and may require signing onerous non-disclosure agreements and other encumberances.

 

[lyth0s]

Keep a small amount of bitcoin in an easily accessible wallet and them keep the rest secure on your Trezor somewhere safe at home.

But the whole point of hardware wallets is that they can be used with untrusted computers, such as one may have to use while traveling.

Or as a really portable cold storage that can THEN be used on your own potentially infected internet connected PC to send coins...

[Anon136]

Keep a small amount of bitcoin in an easily accessible wallet and them keep the rest secure on your Trezor somewhere safe at home.

But the whole point of hardware wallets is that they can be used with untrusted computers, such as one may have to use while traveling.

That is what its for. For sending from untrusted computers. Such as your own computer. For example.

[slush]

The fact is that the Trezor is really not built on a secured microcontroller, however:
 - the possibility of security holes does not mean that there are some
 - and more importantly the use of secured microcontroller does not guarantee the absence of security holes

Thanks for the summary. I don't want to argue in detail against the Ledger because I'm involved in Trezor, but the main difference is in a display. The main mission of TREZOR is that you can use TREZOR easily even on untrusted computer, because you see what you're signing.

[dnaleor]

The fact is that the Trezor is really not built on a secured microcontroller, however:
 - the possibility of security holes does not mean that there are some
 - and more importantly the use of secured microcontroller does not guarantee the absence of security holes

Thanks for the summary. I don't want to argue in detail against the Ledger because I'm involved in Trezor, but the main difference is in a display. The main mission of TREZOR is that you can use TREZOR easily even on untrusted computer, because you see what you're signing.

I agree that the display is the huge adventage.
As long as transactions displayed on the Trezor can be trusted, Trezor is the best hardware wallet imho.

[klondike_bar]

That is actually the protective sticker still on. Only thing broken is the plastic piece

Oh god you're one of those people. My ocd is screaming at me to drive to your house, peel off the plastic, then head back home and have a beer.

For the broken hook, you could possibly embed a cord or metal ring in a hefty glob of JB weld or gorilla glue. Should bind and hold to the case for years

[600watt]

one more time pls...