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August 11, 2016, 05:58:38 AM
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Modern Farming is designed to bankrupt farmers, the insanity started with modern fertilizers and pesticides.
Then came those monster machines farm equipment that cost hundreds of thousands of $ .

The Whole Rigged Game is Input Costs,
Fertilizers
Pesticides
Buying Seeds every year (Modern insanity)
Farm Equipment (Massive) & Maintenance
(Taking on Debt from Bank Loans to afford the above Input Costs, is what finishes the farmers off.)

The place where they confuse everyone, is when they talk about you always have to buy fertilizer to feed the plants,
that is not the way it used to be done, We used to feed the Soil and it took care of the plants.

As someone mentioned converting directly from GMO to non GMO ,
it takes ~4 or 5 years to convert a conventional style farmland into the older natural style farmland with a decent yield.
The reason being you have to build up the soil and that takes years, all conventional style farmland soil is depleted of needed organisms, that support plant growth.

A Good Book to read on the Subject was Written in the 80s ,
The Art of Natural Farming & Gardening , by Ralph & Rita Engelken
http://www.worldcat.org/title/art-of-natural-farming-gardening/oclc/10658567

A Modern Speaker for a more Natural Style of farming is Joel Salatin
http://www.polyfacefarms.com/speaking-protocol/joels-bio/


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FYI:
Here is how far modern farmers have gotten away from the old ways.
I was talking to a farmer that grows sweet potatoes as he buys truck loads of seed potatoes every year and plants 1 Whole Potato per hill.   Tongue
(Now if you are old School , you know the guy is wasting money.)
Reason 1 : A sweet potato plant will grow from each eye on a potato , we use to cut potatoes where it had 2 or 3 eyes and plant it , increasing his amount of plants by 2 or 3 times  , which would decrease the amount he had to buy, (Buying the potatoes was his 2nd mistake.)
Reason 2 : He could keep a portion of the potatoes he grows and completely avoid the input costs of having to buy any next year.
(This Trick works only for sweet potatos, cut the Vine and plant the Vine's end , and it will grow a bunch of sweet potatoes.)
This Modern farmer , I spoke with knew none of these things.  Tongue

FYI2:
Sweet Potatoes are member of the morning glory family.
Regular Potatoes are a member of the nightshade family.
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August 11, 2016, 06:15:25 AM
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Modern Farming is designed to bankrupt farmers, the insanity started with modern fertilizers and pesticides.
Then came those monster machines farm equipment that cost hundreds of thousands of $ .

The Whole Rigged Game is Input Costs,
Fertilizers
Pesticides
Buying Seeds every year (Modern insanity)
Farm Equipment (Massive) & Maintenance
(Taking on Debt from Bank Loans to afford the above Input Costs, is what finishes the farmers off.)

The place where they confuse everyone, is when they talk about you always have to buy fertilizer to feed the plants,
that is not the way it used to be done, We used to feed the Soil and it took care of the plants.

As someone mentioned converting directly from GMO to non GMO ,
it takes ~4 or 5 years to convert a conventional style farmland into the older natural style farmland with a decent yield.
The reason being you have to build up the soil and that takes years, all conventional style farmland soil is depleted of needed organisms, that support plant growth.

A Good Book to read on the Subject was Written in the 80s ,
The Art of Natural Farming & Gardening , by Ralph & Rita Engelken
http://www.worldcat.org/title/art-of-natural-farming-gardening/oclc/10658567

A Modern Speaker for a more Natural Style of farming is Joel Salatin
http://www.polyfacefarms.com/speaking-protocol/joels-bio/


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The other tragedy is GMO Farmland pollination in specific cases contaminating organic farms or harvests - Is it too late now to even have pure organic produce in vicinity of GMO farming regions?
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August 11, 2016, 06:29:22 AM
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The other tragedy is GMO Farmland pollination in specific cases contaminating organic farms or harvests - Is it too late now to even have pure organic produce in vicinity of GMO farming regions?

The Organic label itself is corrupted.
Example, USDA Organic Blueberry Pop tarts
It is certified USDA Organic , however it has Zero Blueberries in it.  Tongue
It has Organic BlueBerry Flavorings. WTF! Angry

If all of the fields around you grow GMO corn,
it won't affect your other vegetables such as cucumbers , Okra, & Potatoes.

Modern Farming does Monoculture, just don't grow whatever GMO plant is growing within 2 or 4 miles of you.
Or if you do want to grow the same plant time your planting so yours is done with pollination , before their starts pollination or after theirs is finished.

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August 11, 2016, 07:30:30 AM
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Modern Farming is designed to bankrupt farmers, the insanity started with modern fertilizers and pesticides.
Then came those monster machines farm equipment that cost hundreds of thousands of $ .

The Whole Rigged Game is Input Costs,
Fertilizers
Pesticides
Buying Seeds every year (Modern insanity)
Farm Equipment (Massive) & Maintenance
(Taking on Debt from Bank Loans to afford the above Input Costs, is what finishes the farmers off.)


The place where they confuse everyone, is when they talk about you always have to buy fertilizer to feed the plants,
that is not the way it used to be done, We used to feed the Soil and it took care of the plants.

Yes all the inputs, and like you say, the insanity of them needing to be repeated every season, is certainly a burden. We actually do take care of our soil by getting free wood chips from a company that trims power lines. They are more than happy to have a place to dump them for free. True, we have to pick out a lot of garbage from careless linesmen but, after that we till it into the soil, adding new bio organisms (or will in future years as it breaks down). We plow and disc the fields yearly. Modern no-till seed drills make even this, supposedly, unneeded. But yes, then we go to the dark side and spray chemicals after the round-up ready crop has been sowed and emerges. We are not happy about having to do so. For the reasons stated in a previous post, we are in the position we have to, to justify the, again, crazy recurring costs of property taxes. But I won't stray off topic with that. Wink

As someone mentioned converting directly from GMO to non GMO ,
it takes ~4 or 5 years to convert a conventional style farmland into the older natural style farmland with a decent yield.
The reason being you have to build up the soil and that takes years, all conventional style farmland soil is depleted of needed organisms, that support plant growth.

Hopefully our methods of introducing organisms and not following popular no-till planting methods will shorten this for us some when we are ready to try to convert fields back to more traditional farming. And yes I do mean 'back'. As a child we even planted fields by hand, it would take many solid days and all our friends we could coerce to help. Can't be much more traditional than that. Unless we caught fish prior and placed the seeds in the mouth of the fish, then planted the whole fish like native Americans did. Though I don't know where we would catch that many fish.

A Good Book to read on the Subject was Written in the 80s ,
The Art of Natural Farming & Gardening , by Ralph & Rita Engelken
http://www.worldcat.org/title/art-of-natural-farming-gardening/oclc/10658567

A Modern Speaker for a more Natural Style of farming is Joel Salatin
http://www.polyfacefarms.com/speaking-protocol/joels-bio/


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Thank you for the links. I will check my local library.

FYI:
Here is how far modern farmers have gotten away from the old ways.
I was talking to a farmer that grows sweet potatoes as he buys truck loads of seed potatoes every year and plants 1 Whole Potato per hill.   Tongue
(Now if you are old School , you know the guy is wasting money.)
Reason 1 : A sweet potato plant will grow from each eye on a potato , we use to cut potatoes where it had 2 or 3 eyes and plant it , increasing his amount of plants by 2 or 3 times  , which would decrease the amount he had to buy, (Buying the potatoes was his 2nd mistake.)
Reason 2 : He could keep a portion of the potatoes he grows and completely avoid the input costs of having to buy any next year.
(This Trick works only for sweet potatos, cut the Vine and plant the Vine's end , and it will grow a bunch of sweet potatoes.)
This Modern farmer , I spoke with knew none of these things.  Tongue

I cut potatoes every spring for this purpose. Thank God I am not a modern farmer. Just a farmer in modern times. Wink

FYI2:
Sweet Potatoes are member of the morning glory family.
Regular Potatoes are a member of the nightshade family.

I did not know. Learn something new every day. There really is an endless amount to learn about farming and it does fascinate me.  I do know many farmers that own enough land that they can solely farm for a living. Some of them live a very comfortable life.  I even know one that grows selected specific 'weeds' and makes wreaths as a business selling them directly to floral shops (isent that mislabeling lol). So yes, I know it can be done. Getting to that point takes generations often times I think. Maybe my kids, should I ever have any, will figure it out. Whatever crop they might sell, I hope they only accept EverGreenCoin.  Grin

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August 11, 2016, 08:27:53 AM
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I don't totally agree with all the GMO issues. Like all such things there are some potential benefits as well as a load of pitfalls with GMO products. In general I think the EU has been much more cautious with rolling out the use of GMO so we're possibly in a better position.

The first point is that we've been doing a form of genetic modification for centuries (if not millennia) in the form of selective breeding. We take the best grains/plants/animals from this years crop and use them for the next year. This is still effectively genetic modification, just in a slower and more natural form.

In terms of other GMO I've seen studies here where they've taken parts of other plants that help them fight particular disease etc. and splice that into various food crops. The aim being to reduce the need for pesticides and other costly and potentially harmful chemicals. If this is successful and has no undesired side effects it's probably a good thing.

On the flip side there was talk early on that through genetic modification we could make food crops infertile meaning farmers are forced to buy new seed stock every year. I don't think this is something that's happened in EU, but obviously it's a potential downside. Personally I'd prefer that these companies provide good benefits (as above) meaning there's demand for their seed for the new things it brings rather than being forced to buy it.

Going back to more traditional farming I remember being taught things like crop rotation and leaving land unused some years so that you put the right things into the soil for each crop. Unfortunately I think the demand for increasing amounts of cheap food have put an end to that as planting is based more on what's required for the market and whats profitable (or at least lowest loss) rather than what's best for the land.
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August 11, 2016, 09:08:39 AM
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I don't totally agree with all the GMO issues. Like all such things there are some potential benefits as well as a load of pitfalls with GMO products. In general I think the EU has been much more cautious with rolling out the use of GMO so we're possibly in a better position.

The first point is that we've been doing a form of genetic modification for centuries (if not millennia) in the form of selective breeding. We take the best grains/plants/animals from this years crop and use them for the next year. This is still effectively genetic modification, just in a slower and more natural form.

In terms of other GMO I've seen studies here where they've taken parts of other plants that help them fight particular disease etc. and splice that into various food crops. The aim being to reduce the need for pesticides and other costly and potentially harmful chemicals. If this is successful and has no undesired side effects it's probably a good thing.

On the flip side there was talk early on that through genetic modification we could make food crops infertile meaning farmers are forced to buy new seed stock every year. I don't think this is something that's happened in EU, but obviously it's a potential downside. Personally I'd prefer that these companies provide good benefits (as above) meaning there's demand for their seed for the new things it brings rather than being forced to buy it.

Going back to more traditional farming I remember being taught things like crop rotation and leaving land unused some years so that you put the right things into the soil for each crop. Unfortunately I think the demand for increasing amounts of cheap food have put an end to that as planting is based more on what's required for the market and whats profitable (or at least lowest loss) rather than what's best for the land.


Selective breeding has been done since the morning of days.

What we havent done before tho, is mixing genes from different species. "Hey, lets try this fish gene in our ...."

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August 11, 2016, 09:15:20 AM
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I'm surprised to see the amount of farming knowledge we've got aboard.
I'm not getting involved in this GMO/non-GMO discussion, as I don't know that much about it other than that GMO sucks big times for me.
My lead figure is my grandpa who was a farmer only farming on a small scale to provide his family of everything needed like vegetables, fruit, meat, eggs aso.
I know these days are over and farmers nowadays can hardly survive, but I do know that there must be another way of producing food in a much better way without any involvement of big companies.

Btw here I am with my evergreen mean machine (my favorite tractor)

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August 11, 2016, 10:50:04 AM
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Selective breeding has been done since the morning of days.

What we havent done before tho, is mixing genes from different species. "Hey, lets try this fish gene in our ...."


You say that, but then we've been mixing genes from different species as well for millennia. For example look at the Mule (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule) which comes from mixing horse and donkey genes. We've also been doing things like that in the plant world although that's often in the form of grafting one plant onto another.

The difference is in how that mixing is done and how different the things are that may be that get mixed.

My only point is that GMO is a continuation of what we've been doing forever and isn't necessarily bad. The issue is in how we develop such GMO products and the reasons behind any particular modification. In general my feeling is that the EU have probably gone about this the right way (only small changes after lots of testing - I'm not sure we even have many GMO crops yet over here), and maybe the US hasn't.
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August 11, 2016, 12:15:36 PM
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I'm new all these mining things I researched how to use cpuminer but google always saying that I have to find a pool, username and password... How will I use solo this coin via cpuminer? Also I'm sorry for interrupting your conversation. Any help would be great, thanks!

You can't mine this coin with cpuminer now as the PoW stage is over (and has been for a month). This coin is now PoS only meaning you earn interest on coins you have in your wallet and stake. The only ways to get coins now is to buy them on the exchanges or get a small amount via the faucet.
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August 11, 2016, 12:17:05 PM
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I'm new all these mining things I researched how to use cpuminer but google always saying that I have to find a pool, username and password... How will I use mine this coin via cpuminer? Also I'm sorry for interrupting your conversation. Any help would be great, thanks!
It is no longer possible to mine EGC with CPU/GPU. EGC is now Proof-of-stake which is similar to getting interest on your coins.

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I thought proof of stake was mining fees Sad Thanks for the answers. If you know how can I sync my wallet too it would be great.
Have you been using the EGC wallet earlier?
You need to make sure you are using version 1.3

Try leaving it open a while. If you havent used an earlier wallet it should start syncing pretty quickly. It might take a while to download the blockchain though.

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August 11, 2016, 03:42:58 PM
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EGC has been very resilient to the dump following the pump so far - the price seems to have settled at 20k. That's really impressive. I had my buy orders in at half that amount =)

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August 11, 2016, 03:58:35 PM
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So I have printed the EGC logo and used 2 Neodymium magnets and put it all in the back of my car and drove for like 2 hours in the city with some family matters. And yes, promoting EverGreenCoin

 

And on my windshield :


Then on a 1.5 min waiting time for a redlight, I took the logo and put it on my windshield wiper.

And here-s the result: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4e7tQxB5uSs


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August 11, 2016, 05:00:56 PM
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I thought proof of stake was mining fees Sad Thanks for the answers. If you know how can I sync my wallet too it would be great.
Have you been using the EGC wallet earlier?
You need to make sure you are using version 1.3

Try leaving it open a while. If you havent used an earlier wallet it should start syncing pretty quickly. It might take a while to download the blockchain though.

A blockchain snapshot is available if you wish to try that avenue: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378653.msg15797264#msg15797264

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August 11, 2016, 05:10:31 PM
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Computer says: This video contains content from UMG, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. Oo
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August 11, 2016, 05:20:51 PM
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Computer says: This video contains content from UMG, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. Oo

It plays fine for me.   Huh  The content is only from within Gabi's car as he drives about, promoting EverGreenCoin whilst he runs his errands. I doubt UMG owns Gabi's car. Wink He has some music playing, perhaps that is the reason. :/

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August 11, 2016, 05:33:17 PM
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you can try now:P

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Computer says: This video contains content from UMG, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. Oo


Maybe it was the music... YT scans for patterns and a quite strict on music usage.

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August 11, 2016, 06:16:04 PM
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Another friendly reminder, in less than 48 hours, I plan to place my order along with the international orders I have. If you wish to have one shipped to you outside the USA, please PM me. I will work with you. EGC, BTC, LTC, paypal, other coins.

Last call!  Cheesy I will be placing the order this afternoon.

EDIT: Oh, it seems Bow must have made an enhancement to the shirts! Good thing I was too busy to place the order yesterday. Everything happens for a reason. Wink

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August 11, 2016, 06:28:17 PM
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A blockchain snapshot is available if you wish to try that avenue: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1378653.msg15797264#msg15797264


Thank you for helping but I think I can't download this with 10kb/second internet speed (I have some issues) Tongue By the way I really like the idea of this coin and still I'm looking for satoshis to invest more. Also I want to translate the site, wallet or any kind of text you wrote. All I can do is translating right now, I wish I could do more to promote this coin. Can you help me with these translating informations with pm. I would be very happy. Thank you!
You can also use the web wallet here:
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