[$XVG] VERGE [POW][MultiAlgo][TOR/i2P][no premine/ico!]

[Beachguy]

I was wondering about that......worth a try with a copy of .dat file

[TheSignsGuy]

hey im so frustrated of not being able to get to my coins, when will android wallet be up again so i can get them out? its been months

yes, it will be up. its a complicated process. if you think you can get it done faster, you are welcome to.

I know nothing about it so please dont be rude.  i have over 80 mil coins somewhere and i cant get access to it its frustrating, 

Is a phone your only way of accessing the internet? Because otherwise, you could just install the desktop wallet on a regular computer, copy the wallet.dat file into it and have access, no?

I have a feeling that the android wallets work differently than the regular ones do.
Maybe see if it is possible to get the private keys, then import those into another wallet?
Or wait longer.
I believe our dev is in for the long haul, but it is probably quite tricky with that wallet, especially once Verge went multi-algo.


Since I am posting something today, I might as well keep going:

Considering the current situation Verge apparently is in, maybe some things to help Verge become more "solid" in the long run could be helpful.

An OPTIONAL "development fee" or "maintenance donation fee" alongside the optional sending fee in the wallets may be interesting to consider, to put toward maintaining equipment for the android wallet, servers, nodes, pay for some help when needed, or whatever it takes to keep Verge going, to make it stronger and more substantial.

Maybe somehow decentralize Verge further by helping others learn how to run nodes, or run dedicated i2p nodes.
(Not exactly sure how that stuff works, but basically spreading out the components that keep the system running)

Possibly tie Verge into i2p somehow, so when that becomes more popular, it is already there....waiting, and willing.

Maybe come up with some specific goals to be voted upon, where one can donate to, and help make happen.
Even little ones might be nice, that show activity in a positive direction.
As an example of this, it was good to see the donations come in quickly when the fee to list on Bittrex took place, which was a positive community effort.

The price can't really get much lower, so now may be the time to shake things up somehow, anyway.

[ttookk]

hey im so frustrated of not being able to get to my coins, when will android wallet be up again so i can get them out? its been months

yes, it will be up. its a complicated process. if you think you can get it done faster, you are welcome to.

I know nothing about it so please dont be rude.  i have over 80 mil coins somewhere and i cant get access to it its frustrating, 

Is a phone your only way of accessing the internet? Because otherwise, you could just install the desktop wallet on a regular computer, copy the wallet.dat file into it and have access, no?

I have a feeling that the android wallets work differently than the regular ones do.
Maybe see if it is possible to get the private keys, then import those into another wallet?
Or wait longer.
I believe our dev is in for the long haul, but it is probably quite tricky with that wallet, especially once Verge went multi-algo.


Since I am posting something today, I might as well keep going:

Considering the current situation Verge apparently is in, maybe some things to help Verge become more "solid" in the long run could be helpful.

An OPTIONAL "development fee" or "maintenance donation fee" alongside the optional sending fee in the wallets may be interesting to consider, to put toward maintaining equipment for the android wallet, servers, nodes, pay for some help when needed, or whatever it takes to keep Verge going, to make it stronger and more substantial.

Maybe somehow decentralize Verge further by helping others learn how to run nodes, or run dedicated i2p nodes.
(Not exactly sure how that stuff works, but basically spreading out the components that keep the system running)

Possibly tie Verge into i2p somehow, so when that becomes more popular, it is already there....waiting, and willing.

Maybe come up with some specific goals to be voted upon, where one can donate to, and help make happen.
Even little ones might be nice, that show activity in a positive direction.
As an example of this, it was good to see the donations come in quickly when the fee to list on Bittrex took place, which was a positive community effort.

The price can't really get much lower, so now may be the time to shake things up somehow, anyway.

Well, but the android version needs to store the wallet information somewhere, doesn't it? I'm not familiar with android, but I bet there either is a way to look inside of application packages, or someone built an app for it. Find a tool that lets you search your entire phone including hidden files and search for wallet.dat (that's the deafult name, isn't it?).
Dogedarkdev might want to chime in on that one.

Regarding the other point: I like the idea of somehow linking Verge to I2P. I don't know how close this is possible on a technical level, but it would be great to have it as an easy to use means of value transaction, ready from the getgo.

[ttookk]

hey im so frustrated of not being able to get to my coins, when will android wallet be up again so i can get them out? its been months

yes, it will be up. its a complicated process. if you think you can get it done faster, you are welcome to.

I know nothing about it so please dont be rude.  i have over 80 mil coins somewhere and i cant get access to it its frustrating,  

Is a phone your only way of accessing the internet? Because otherwise, you could just install the desktop wallet on a regular computer, copy the wallet.dat file into it and have access, no?

I have a feeling that the android wallets work differently than the regular ones do.
Maybe see if it is possible to get the private keys, then import those into another wallet?
Or wait longer.
I believe our dev is in for the long haul, but it is probably quite tricky with that wallet, especially once Verge went multi-algo.


Since I am posting something today, I might as well keep going:

Considering the current situation Verge apparently is in, maybe some things to help Verge become more "solid" in the long run could be helpful.

An OPTIONAL "development fee" or "maintenance donation fee" alongside the optional sending fee in the wallets may be interesting to consider, to put toward maintaining equipment for the android wallet, servers, nodes, pay for some help when needed, or whatever it takes to keep Verge going, to make it stronger and more substantial.

Maybe somehow decentralize Verge further by helping others learn how to run nodes, or run dedicated i2p nodes.
(Not exactly sure how that stuff works, but basically spreading out the components that keep the system running)

Possibly tie Verge into i2p somehow, so when that becomes more popular, it is already there....waiting, and willing.

Maybe come up with some specific goals to be voted upon, where one can donate to, and help make happen.
Even little ones might be nice, that show activity in a positive direction.
As an example of this, it was good to see the donations come in quickly when the fee to list on Bittrex took place, which was a positive community effort.

The price can't really get much lower, so now may be the time to shake things up somehow, anyway.

Well, but the android version needs to store the wallet information somewhere, doesn't it? I'm not familiar with android, but I bet there either is a way to look inside of application packages, or someone built an app for it. Find a tool that lets you search your entire phone including hidden files and search for wallet.dat (that's the deafult name, isn't it?).
Dogedarkdev might want to chime in on that one.

Regarding the other point: I like the idea of somehow linking Verge to I2P. I don't know how close this is possible on a technical level, but it would be great to have it as an easy to use means of value transaction, ready from the getgo.

To incentivize running an i2p node, and to get those who run i2p nodes to simultaneously mine Verge, require running an i2p node in order to mine Verge? Also, enable wallet users to run an i2p node in the interface.

Hmm, that's actually an interesting idea: Somehow reward those who run I2P nodes with Verge. Maybe by giving them a higher block reward or something?

I'm not too familiar with I2P technology, but I guess as with Tor, the more nodes you have, the better. Incentivising running nodes by paying rewards to those who do sounds interesting. I'm not too sure whether Verge is the right coin for that job, though. That sounds more like a PoS/DPoS thing. Although: Maybe you could give PoS/DPoS rewards to node providers and have PoW secure the blockchain "from outside"? Hmmm…

[nubbins7]

I just ask the admin of this new exchange called Liqui to add XVG let's see what happens
here is there thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1556870.0

[TheSignsGuy]

I will keep my eyes on that, since in general, I believe the more exchanges the better.

[Dogedarkdev]

I will keep my eyes on that, since in general, I believe the more exchanges the better.

yeah definitely. the more distribution, the better. i've still been exchanging emails with poloniex.

[Beachguy]

I will keep my eyes on that, since in general, I believe the more exchanges the better.

yeah definitely. the more distribution, the better. i've still been exchanging emails with poloniex.

I usually really hate these kinds of stacked quotes.....but
+1 and  two thumbs!
Good luck!

[g0ldm0ney10]

I just reached out to Kraken, Bitfinex, Yunbi, BTC-e to see what we could do to try and get on their exchanges.  I will see if we get any to response.

[ttookk]

(snip)

To incentivize running an i2p node, and to get those who run i2p nodes to simultaneously mine Verge, require running an i2p node in order to mine Verge? Also, enable wallet users to run an i2p node in the interface.

Hmm, that's actually an interesting idea: Somehow reward those who run I2P nodes with Verge. Maybe by giving them a higher block reward or something?

I'm not too familiar with I2P technology, but I guess as with Tor, the more nodes you have, the better. Incentivising running nodes by paying rewards to those who do sounds interesting. I'm not too sure whether Verge is the right coin for that job, though. That sounds more like a PoS/DPoS thing. Although: Maybe you could give PoS/DPoS rewards to node providers and have PoW secure the blockchain "from outside"? Hmmm…

Hey dogedarkdev, wanna chime in on that one?

I'm not sure whether I2P is the best thing to use this on, but I like the idea of using Verge as a means to encourage people to set up I2P/Tor/whatever nodes.

Especially if you combine this with mining/coin creation using aforementioned networks, you'd have Verge that doesn't have to enter those networks at some point, it would be created and used withing those networks. This might cancel out another attack vector.

Admittedly, I don't have much knowledge on those matters, so anything I write could be utter nonense. If it is, tell me

[Dogedarkdev]

(snip)

To incentivize running an i2p node, and to get those who run i2p nodes to simultaneously mine Verge, require running an i2p node in order to mine Verge? Also, enable wallet users to run an i2p node in the interface.

Hmm, that's actually an interesting idea: Somehow reward those who run I2P nodes with Verge. Maybe by giving them a higher block reward or something?

I'm not too familiar with I2P technology, but I guess as with Tor, the more nodes you have, the better. Incentivising running nodes by paying rewards to those who do sounds interesting. I'm not too sure whether Verge is the right coin for that job, though. That sounds more like a PoS/DPoS thing. Although: Maybe you could give PoS/DPoS rewards to node providers and have PoW secure the blockchain "from outside"? Hmmm…

Hey dogedarkdev, wanna chime in on that one?

I'm not sure whether I2P is the best thing to use this on, but I like the idea of using Verge as a means to encourage people to set up I2P/Tor/whatever nodes.

Especially if you combine this with mining/coin creation using aforementioned networks, you'd have Verge that doesn't have to enter those networks at some point, it would be created and used withing those networks. This might cancel out another attack vector.

Admittedly, I don't have much knowledge on those matters, so anything I write could be utter nonense. If it is, tell me

well the next wallets will have a version with i2p built in, and you are a node whenever you are running a wallet..  and another wallet will have tor built in

[ttookk]

(snip)

To incentivize running an i2p node, and to get those who run i2p nodes to simultaneously mine Verge, require running an i2p node in order to mine Verge? Also, enable wallet users to run an i2p node in the interface.

Hmm, that's actually an interesting idea: Somehow reward those who run I2P nodes with Verge. Maybe by giving them a higher block reward or something?

I'm not too familiar with I2P technology, but I guess as with Tor, the more nodes you have, the better. Incentivising running nodes by paying rewards to those who do sounds interesting. I'm not too sure whether Verge is the right coin for that job, though. That sounds more like a PoS/DPoS thing. Although: Maybe you could give PoS/DPoS rewards to node providers and have PoW secure the blockchain "from outside"? Hmmm…

Hey dogedarkdev, wanna chime in on that one?

I'm not sure whether I2P is the best thing to use this on, but I like the idea of using Verge as a means to encourage people to set up I2P/Tor/whatever nodes.

Especially if you combine this with mining/coin creation using aforementioned networks, you'd have Verge that doesn't have to enter those networks at some point, it would be created and used withing those networks. This might cancel out another attack vector.

Admittedly, I don't have much knowledge on those matters, so anything I write could be utter nonense. If it is, tell me

well the next wallets will have a version with i2p built in, and you are a node whenever you are running a wallet..  and another wallet will have tor built in

Wow, that I2P node thing is nice

I can't help but point out that this, combined with a PoS coin would be VERY interesting.
And no, this is not an attempt at stirring up the old "Verge should go PoS" argument again.

[Dogedarkdev]

(snip)

To incentivize running an i2p node, and to get those who run i2p nodes to simultaneously mine Verge, require running an i2p node in order to mine Verge? Also, enable wallet users to run an i2p node in the interface.

Hmm, that's actually an interesting idea: Somehow reward those who run I2P nodes with Verge. Maybe by giving them a higher block reward or something?

I'm not too familiar with I2P technology, but I guess as with Tor, the more nodes you have, the better. Incentivising running nodes by paying rewards to those who do sounds interesting. I'm not too sure whether Verge is the right coin for that job, though. That sounds more like a PoS/DPoS thing. Although: Maybe you could give PoS/DPoS rewards to node providers and have PoW secure the blockchain "from outside"? Hmmm…

Hey dogedarkdev, wanna chime in on that one?

I'm not sure whether I2P is the best thing to use this on, but I like the idea of using Verge as a means to encourage people to set up I2P/Tor/whatever nodes.

Especially if you combine this with mining/coin creation using aforementioned networks, you'd have Verge that doesn't have to enter those networks at some point, it would be created and used withing those networks. This might cancel out another attack vector.

Admittedly, I don't have much knowledge on those matters, so anything I write could be utter nonense. If it is, tell me

well the next wallets will have a version with i2p built in, and you are a node whenever you are running a wallet..  and another wallet will have tor built in

Wow, that I2P node thing is nice

I can't help but point out that this, combined with a PoS coin would be VERY interesting.
And no, this is not an attempt at stirring up the old "Verge should go PoS" argument again.

no, i understand. i think after pow, we will switch to some sort of non-work system.. maybe a proof of stake, but equal rewarding, instead of % of holdings..

[Dogedarkdev]

(snip)

To incentivize running an i2p node, and to get those who run i2p nodes to simultaneously mine Verge, require running an i2p node in order to mine Verge? Also, enable wallet users to run an i2p node in the interface.

Hmm, that's actually an interesting idea: Somehow reward those who run I2P nodes with Verge. Maybe by giving them a higher block reward or something?

I'm not too familiar with I2P technology, but I guess as with Tor, the more nodes you have, the better. Incentivising running nodes by paying rewards to those who do sounds interesting. I'm not too sure whether Verge is the right coin for that job, though. That sounds more like a PoS/DPoS thing. Although: Maybe you could give PoS/DPoS rewards to node providers and have PoW secure the blockchain "from outside"? Hmmm…

Hey dogedarkdev, wanna chime in on that one?

I'm not sure whether I2P is the best thing to use this on, but I like the idea of using Verge as a means to encourage people to set up I2P/Tor/whatever nodes.

Especially if you combine this with mining/coin creation using aforementioned networks, you'd have Verge that doesn't have to enter those networks at some point, it would be created and used withing those networks. This might cancel out another attack vector.

Admittedly, I don't have much knowledge on those matters, so anything I write could be utter nonense. If it is, tell me

well the next wallets will have a version with i2p built in, and you are a node whenever you are running a wallet..  and another wallet will have tor built in

Wow, that I2P node thing is nice

I can't help but point out that this, combined with a PoS coin would be VERY interesting.
And no, this is not an attempt at stirring up the old "Verge should go PoS" argument again.

no, i understand. i think after pow, we will switch to some sort of non-work system.. maybe a proof of stake, but equal rewarding, instead of % of holdings..

If the stakes are public that seems like the opposite of private. If rewards are equal then every wallet would hold the minimum value. I'm not getting how this would improve Verge. Like, if it's not broke don't fix it kind of thing.

i said after pow. thats like, decades away.

[Beachguy]

Wow it really is....the 3,125 XVG reward halves again at block 714,000.
Then we go from 714,000 to 2,124,000 at 1,560 XVG reward.
That's 1,410,000 blocks.
That's going to take some time guys. 

[g0ldm0ney10]

I just reached out to Kraken, Bitfinex, Yunbi, BTC-e to see what we could do to try and get on their exchanges.  I will see if we get any to response.

UPDATE 7/29/16

Kraken - reached back out and here is there response.

Hello,

We do not have a formal way to request a coin, but judge coins based on many parameters.

Best,

Josh

My response - Our page here so they can review with our website, blockchain and highlights on why Verge is the coin to change the world.

Their response was  Hello,

Thanks for the suggestion, I will make a note of your request, but to be clear we don't have any plans to add it at this time and are only considering it as a feature request that we may or may not accommodate.

Best,

Josh

Bitfinex - reached back out and here is there response.  

Thanks for your message

We have no plans to list any additional coins in the immediate future

The volume of a coin plays a large part in any decision to list a coin -- and this has to be substantial

We constantly monitor the market but as of right now , no coin ( that we have not already listed) comes even close to matching our criteria

My response:  Our page here and how we have been number 1 on Bittrex at times before with 500 BTC volume and that we are looking to grow with other exchanges, so we will see if they say anything back.

Yunbi - reached back out and here is there response.

Thank you for reaching us.
Yunbi will only list crypto coins which may have a chance to change the world.
If you are interested, you can give us some background information.
We will do the research work.

My response: Our page here so they can review with our website, blockchain and highlights on why Verge is the coin to change the world.  This seems promising and hoping we can get onto Yunbi soon!!  I will see what they say we need to do in the future.

BTC-e - Reached back out with just a hello for now so still need to try and get in touch with them.


Stayed tuned!!  

[nubbins7]

Good work bro thanks for getting the word out to other exchanges.

[TheSignsGuy]

Wow it really is....the 3,125 XVG reward halves again at block 714,000.
Then we go from 714,000 to 2,124,000 at 1,560 XVG reward.
That's 1,410,000 blocks.
That's going to take some time guys. 

It seems to me that it will take some time to reach the end of the scheduled block rewards, but not too much.

I did the math a while ago and believe that I came up with the end of the block rewards to be about three or four years out.
Kind of wondering what happens after block 4,248,000 though.
I plan on sticking around to see.

One of the things that attracted me to this currency was that it was stated to be a secure, private and evolving one.

That kind of keeps the door open for XVG to be what it is needed to be at the time, without being "locked" into any certain criteria.

Maybe a new reward system coming at the end, to fit what is needed, then.

[A_McGriff]

It seems to me that it will take some time to reach the end of the scheduled block rewards, but not too much.

I did the math a while ago and believe that I came up with the end of the block rewards to be about three or four years out.
Kind of wondering what happens after block 4,248,000 though.
I plan on sticking around to see.

One of the things that attracted me to this currency was that it was stated to be a secure, private and evolving one.

That kind of keeps the door open for XVG to be what it is needed to be at the time, without being "locked" into any certain criteria.

Maybe a new reward system coming at the end, to fit what is needed, then.

“Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.” -Bruce Lee

[Dogedarkdev]

It seems to me that it will take some time to reach the end of the scheduled block rewards, but not too much.

I did the math a while ago and believe that I came up with the end of the block rewards to be about three or four years out.
Kind of wondering what happens after block 4,248,000 though.
I plan on sticking around to see.

One of the things that attracted me to this currency was that it was stated to be a secure, private and evolving one.

That kind of keeps the door open for XVG to be what it is needed to be at the time, without being "locked" into any certain criteria.

Maybe a new reward system coming at the end, to fit what is needed, then.

“Adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is specifically your own.” -Bruce Lee

i concur!