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[banana33]

days after the Miami race I read an interview with Kimi Antonelli, the 18 year old Mercedes driver, certainly a champion, he said: ?With these rules you can do anything?
Piastri was not penalized for the contact with Kimi Antonelli at the start of the Sprint Race, the Italian is bitter: "He literally threw me out", I think that races are made for this and whoever is unable to be competitive runs this risk, he is certainly a promising driver, but he still has a lot of experience to gain

[takuma sato]

Verstappen is probably the GOAT, but this year the McClarens are catching up, there's a good 30 point difference now with Piastri, at this rate it may get too wide for him to catch them up. I think it will depend on weekends where the Redbull performs a bit better and then the rest is all Max talent getting the best out of the car. But Piastri is looking like a solid contentender now. Ferrari is again this year stuck in the 3rd or 4th position. Surprised to see Williams performance in this circuit. Sometimes other cars just perform a lot better in certain weekends.

To be one of the goat, he needs to leave Redbull and win with another team.
Not so many drivers were able to achieve it.

It is easier to win with the most dominant car when the car is good and you teammate is weaker.

Yeah but my point was that this is not the most dominant car anymore at all. The Redbull is probably the 2nd, 3rd.. or even 4th car in my opinion. Verstappen is just that good. If you don't have the best care and you continue to compete with the best it means you are going to beat by a long shot the rest of the competition, and Piastri and Lando have the best car now with a big margin in my opinion and they are not showing the dominance that Verstappen was showing, I think it's mostly the talent of Max squeezing the last bit of performance of the car. If Redbull finds an hedge during the season I think Verstappen can still win the 5th championship. If however Redbull continues in the spot they are at they may not get the extra they need to beat McClaren and Piastri will probably win. It's pretty much over for the rest for this year.

[Velvet78]

To be one of the goat, he needs to leave Redbull and win with another team.
Not so many drivers were able to achieve it.

It is easier to win with the most dominant car when the car is good and you teammate is weaker.

Then you think Hamilton is also not GOAT.    Joking aside, F1 is pretty much like this for years. Main driver from the most dominant team wins titles... Hamilton and Verstappen are the best examples for that.

But this still doesn't change the fact that both are amazing drivers. One of the bests in F1 history. Let's take Norris as an example now. McLaren is the fastest car and Norris is the main driver. But he is still making simple mistakes right?

This is also a proof to show the car strength isn't enough by itself to win titles.

[darxiaomi]

To be one of the goat, he needs to leave Redbull and win with another team.
Not so many drivers were able to achieve it.

It is easier to win with the most dominant car when the car is good and you teammate is weaker.

Then you think Hamilton is also not GOAT.    Joking aside, F1 is pretty much like this for years. Main driver from the most dominant team wins titles... Hamilton and Verstappen are the best examples for that.

But this still doesn't change the fact that both are amazing drivers. One of the bests in F1 history. Let's take Norris as an example now. McLaren is the fastest car and Norris is the main driver. But he is still making simple mistakes right?

This is also a proof to show the car strength isn't enough by itself to win titles.

Its not rocket science (or well in the car itself it is) in modern F1 is 70% car 30% driver or even worst 80% car and 20% driver.

For one side its sad and for the other one is good because you need the better engineers.

Lets see in the next generation of cars how this develop.

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Briatore is back to alpine as 1st men.
After what he did, after the ban he is back in the same postion, in the same team.

Great I'm pretty sure his was supposed to be a permaban.


Side news, Doohan will be replaced soon.

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days after the Miami race I read an interview with Kimi Antonelli, the 18 year old Mercedes driver, certainly a champion, he said: ?With these rules you can do anything?
Piastri was not penalized for the contact with Kimi Antonelli at the start of the Sprint Race, the Italian is bitter: "He literally threw me out", I think that races are made for this and whoever is unable to be competitive runs this risk, he is certainly a promising driver, but he still has a lot of experience to gain

Kimi is a rookie with great talent, but there comes a point where he needs to accept the fact that the steward's decision is final, even if he doesn't like the decision, but he has to accept it. Piastri is just smart and has more experience than Kimi. If Kimi sees this as unfair, then he should learn from it, and I'm sure he will improve if he wants to learn. If he keeps whining like a child, then he won't be able to improve.

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2025 Miami Grand Prix results
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Uh...  So Piastri is the new McLaren first driver now?    I think tensions will rise and Norris will look for the exit if the team starts to favor Piastri over him.  That Aston Martin seat will look very attractive if Verstappen rejects Stroll's offer.

I really think Verstappen will be at Mercedes at some point.  We'll see how they run when the new specs come out next year.  

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Piastri to reach the position he is in now also through hard work and consistent performance. He also did not mind when McLaren favored Lando and did not listen to any input he gave to the team. But when he started to change the situation, and Lando felt that it was a threat to him, Lando could choose to respond by improving his performance and mentality or he could look for another team that could accommodate him with his childish nature. It's very simple. There are still many drivers eyeing the McLaren seat, and if Lando feels that he is not able to compete with Piastri, he can leave the seat.

I don't think Norris is doing any kind of shenanigans like dropping hints to the journos that there's some possibility that he could transfer to another team.  I mean they do still have the best car.  So doing so would make it look like he's the worse driver between him and Piastri.  

But eventually...  When the pressure gets to be so unbearable, he'll crack and starts talking shit.  Give it a couple more months.    It could even start after the next race if Piastri wins at the Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari. 

[Distraction]

I don't think Norris is doing any kind of shenanigans like dropping hints to the journos that there's some possibility that he could transfer to another team.  I mean they do still have the best car.  So doing so would make it look like he's the worse driver between him and Piastri.  

But eventually...  When the pressure gets to be so unbearable, he'll crack and starts talking shit.  Give it a couple more months.    It could even start after the next race if Piastri wins at the Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari. 

Norris is currently worse than Piastri. Everybody should be able to say this easily if they are really watching the races. I don't know what's wrong with him also. Focusing issues or something else?

He even complained about Verstappen after the race about how dirty he is racing.    I mean of course he will do that. Piastri overtook him anyway. Why did it take you so long? Norris is at fault about missing his chance to win that race truthfully.

[Volgastallion]

I don't think Norris is doing any kind of shenanigans like dropping hints to the journos that there's some possibility that he could transfer to another team.  I mean they do still have the best car.  So doing so would make it look like he's the worse driver between him and Piastri.  

But eventually...  When the pressure gets to be so unbearable, he'll crack and starts talking shit.  Give it a couple more months.    It could even start after the next race if Piastri wins at the Autodromo Enzo e Dino Ferrari. 

I dont feel sorry for Norris at all, he really have ton of chances and opportunities to show his talent (he have talent) but every time he lack of fate or guts to make it happen.

Now he is being pressure by his own teammate and team itself, and we are gonna see how much of that pressure he can take, Verstappen seems to have destroy his head with the dirty play.

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Looks like the deal for Colapinto will last only 5 gps.

Meanwhile Helmut MArko is now speaking differently bout MAx Verstappen.
Now he changes his mind and he is thinking that Max will stay in Red Bull at the end of the season.

However I think they need atlast to pair the offer from Aston, and If I remember correctly was 200+ milion per year...

[retreat]

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He even complained about Verstappen after the race about how dirty he is racing.    I mean of course he will do that. Piastri overtook him anyway. Why did it take you so long? Norris is at fault about missing his chance to win that race truthfully.

It was too childish of Norris to blame others for his own mistakes when he couldn't do it. Max was just doing his job to keep his opponent behind him, did he think Max would let him pass without a fight? It was just ridiculous. The only problem that prevented him from winning the race was himself. If he had grown up a little bit, he wouldn't have whined like a child.

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Zack brown spoken with Max Verstappen to know his availability.
As you may know Verstappen has a release clause and it looks like that team's principal are testing the real situation.

Verstappen already said months ago that he wants to stay in RBR and he has no intention to leave

But what if a better car or a better contract will come?

[takuma sato]

Zack brown spoken with Max Verstappen to know his availability.
As you may know Verstappen has a release clause and it looks like that team's principal are testing the real situation.

Verstappen already said months ago that he wants to stay in RBR and he has no intention to leave

But what if a better car or a better contract will come?

But who would leave McClaren to get Max Verstappen? as far as I know Piastri and Norris will continue in McClaren unless I missed something. And even if one of these 2 left to leave space for signing Verstappen then you will have a problem since all these 3 are up and coming world champions that are capable of winning with a good car, so we will have the usual drama when 2 elite pilots are on the same team as we have seen in the past with Alonso and Hamilton and so on. Sometimes it's better to just have a mid tier driver with an elite driver so you don't have infighting when both are fighting for the championship. I think Verstappen will just stay in RB and hope that their car becomes better again. You never know what happens next year since it's a reset year supposedly.

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The FIA ​​has decided on a new rule that for 2026, the minimum car weight set at 768kg. The reason the FIA ​​made this rule is to improve the spectacle, cost, and a simpler engine formula. This may be a new challenge for the teams, because for 2026 the cars will be more dependent on electric power, which will also result in much heavier batteries. Horner when interviewed said that this will be an enormous challenge for all teams. Toto also agreed that aggressive weight cuts are challenging. Haas chief Ayao Komatsu even said that it would be an expensive development.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-teams-bracing-for-2026-car-weight-battleground/10720824/

The FIA ​​has once again given the teams a headache with their rules before the season even started.

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Carlos Sainz senior is thinking about candidate himself as leader of FIA.
I don't think it can happen until he has his son racing in F1, don't it will be conflict of interest?

The election will be in December 2025

[Velvet78]

I dont feel sorry for Norris at all, he really have ton of chances and opportunities to show his talent (he have talent) but every time he lack of fate or guts to make it happen.

Now he is being pressure by his own teammate and team itself, and we are gonna see how much of that pressure he can take, Verstappen seems to have destroy his head with the dirty play.

The same here about Norris. Why would I feel sorry for him in the first place? He isn't even accepting that it was his own fault in Miami. He just talks about Verstappen's driving style instead.

Looks like the deal for Colapinto will last only 5 gps.

Meanwhile Helmut MArko is now speaking differently bout MAx Verstappen.
Now he changes his mind and he is thinking that Max will stay in Red Bull at the end of the season.

However I think they need atlast to pair the offer from Aston, and If I remember correctly was 200+ milion per year...

Not surprised though. After what they saw in Doohan, they must be trying not to take big risks. But I feel like Colapinto could be a better fit for the team than him at least.

Marko shouldn't be too confident about that. Yeah Verstappen likes being there with Marko. But if he doesn't become the champion this year and gets better conditions by another team then he can leave.

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This weekend MotoGP will be held at the Le Mans circuit where it is a circuit that is quite challenging and also quite unique to be used as a motorcycle racing track. Right now I am watching Practice where it will determine who will go straight to Q2 and the rest are in Q1, but when I saw FP1 where the first position was occupied by Marquez, I am quite sure that he will also be in the front row in Practice and also in qualifying tomorrow if there are no serious obstacles for him.

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Not surprised though. After what they saw in Doohan, they must be trying not to take big risks. But I feel like Colapinto could be a better fit for the team than him at least.

Marko shouldn't be too confident about that. Yeah Verstappen likes being there with Marko. But if he doesn't become the champion this year and gets better conditions by another team then he can leave.

Then if they are not sure they could used the "good old driver".
They had Bottas, Perez and probably many others driver without a seat.

They just changing drivers for sponsors now, to get more money possible.

[moneystery]

marc managed to dominate free practice by recording his best time of 1:30.5. this time he even managed to break the record made by jorge martin, with a new 1m 29.855s lap record. that made marc the new record holder at le mans.

what's interesting is that quartararo, even though he didn't record the fastest time, managed to finish behind marc. this is a good thing, because this is his hometown race and he really hopes that he can win this race or at least get a podium. hopefully he can get that podium, so that the podium is not only filled by ducati.

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2025 French MotoGP, Le Mans - Practice Results
Pos   Rider   Nat   Team   Time/Diff   Lap   Max
1   Marc Marquez   SPA   Ducati Lenovo (GP25)   1'29.855s   22/27   318k
2   Fabio Quartararo   FRA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.177s   25/26   315k
3   Francesco Bagnaia   ITA   Ducati Lenovo (GP25)   +0.184s   24/26   321k
4   Fermin Aldeguer   SPA   BK8 Gresini Ducati (GP24)*   +0.366s   23/25   315k
5   Alex Marquez   SPA   BK8 Gresini Ducati (GP24)   +0.401s   24/26   317k
6   Jack Miller   AUS   Pramac Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +0.422s   24/26   315k
7   Pedro Acosta   SPA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +0.453s   23/25   318k
8   Maverick Viñales   SPA   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   +0.635s   25/26   317k
9   Franco Morbidelli   ITA   Pertamina VR46 Ducati (GP24)   +0.654s   21/23   318k
10   Marco Bezzecchi   ITA   Aprilia Racing (RS-GP25)   +0.767s   28/28   320k
11   Luca Marini   ITA   Honda HRC Castrol (RC213V)   +0.820s   24/25   316k
12   Johann Zarco   FRA   Castrol Honda LCR (RC213V)   +0.899s   20/22   314k
13   Enea Bastianini   ITA   Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)   +0.946s   21/24   313k
14   Joan Mir   SPA   Honda HRC Castrol (RC213V)   +0.966s   21/23   312k
15   Raul Fernandez   SPA   Trackhouse Aprilia (RS-GP25)   +1.087s   26/26   315k
16   Ai Ogura   JPN   Trackhouse Aprilia (RS-GP25)*   +1.310s   18/21   317k
17   Alex Rins   SPA   Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +1.399s   18/20   316k
18   Fabio Di Giannantonio   ITA   Pertamina VR46 Ducati (GP25)   +1.402s   25/25   318k
19   Brad Binder   RSA   Red Bull KTM (RC16)   +1.562s   6/23   320k
20   Takaaki Nakagami   JPN   Honda Test Rider (RC213V)   +1.700s   26/26   314k
21   Miguel Oliveira   POR   Pramac Yamaha (YZR-M1)   +2.470s   20/22   312k
22   Lorenzo Savadori   ITA   Aprilia Factory (RS-GP25)   +2.570s   19/24   311k

Source: https://www.crash.net/motogp/results/1069583/1/2025-french-motogp-le-mans-friday-practice-results


One again Marquez is ahead from everyone.

I never seen such a dominance from a single driver in a year.