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[Juggy777]

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It was a good race, even if we didn't saw many overtaking attempts. Monaco track is just to narrow and cars are too wide. It was very difficult win of Hamilton because his tyres was in poor condition for very long time and probably in any other track he would lose 1st position because he didn't had pace today. Mercedes also failed a bit with Bottas by piting him on the same lap as Hamilton - it cost them 2nd position. A bit sad for Verstappen - he was driver of the day, but that 5 second penalty means that he didn't even finnished on the podium.
After failure in qualification, today Leclerc had nothing to lose and he risked a lot. But when he got puncture tyre, he had to drive slower to save his car.

Hamilton pulled of an impossible victory in yesterday’s race which normally we see only in movies, in the end it did boil down to his never give up attitude. I don’t know what Mercedes were thinking about those tyres, but they had lots of Luck and Hamilton driving skills to thank for their surprise victory. There would have been a death of a Marshal in yesterday’s race but, thankfully Sergio managed to brake in time and save him.

Read More here:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsport/formula-one/f1-news-monaco-grand-prix-2019-sergio-perez-marshals-crash-hit-nearly-killed-them-video-watch/news-story/f3f59c0f99d42471b4a973405d087869

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/921197/1/hamilton-saved-mercedes-defeat-wolff

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[bbc.reporter]

I reckon Ferrari needs to drop their championship roadmap for this year and begin practicing technical improvements and strategies that they can use next year. Also, demote Mattia Binotto back to chief technical officer.

[swogerino]

This one a good race compared to other Monaco races as the few last races here has not been eventful.This one yesterday was beautiful with many things that happened yesterday.I am sorry for Leclerc as the race would have been more beautiful with him being in the fight for the top positions.

[slocker]

Little late but better late then never.

MogoGP was runned for the weekend but seem like Rossi is not on his, error and crash on home track, anyway results.

1. Danilo Petrucci ITA Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19) 41m 33.794s
2. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 41m 33.837s
3. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19) 41m 34.132s
4. Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 41m 34.329s
5. Takaaki Nakagami JPN LCR Honda (RC213V) 41m 40.329s
6. Maverick Viñales ESP Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) 41m 41.275s
7. Michele Pirro ITA Mission Winnow Ducati (GP19) 41m 47.082s
8. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 41m 47.731s
9. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 41m 50.327s
10. Fabio Quartararo FRA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1)* 41m 51.788s
11. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 41m 54.317s
12. Joan Mir SPA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 41m 54.338s
13. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 41m 54.607s
14. Karel Abraham CZE Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18) 42m 1.092s
15. Andrea Iannone ITA Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 42m 1.845s
16. Miguel Oliveira POR Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16)* 42m 3.895s
17. Johann Zarco FRA Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 42m 15.651s
Jack Miller AUS Pramac Ducati (GP19) DNF
Francesco Bagnaia ITA Pramac Ducati (GP18)* DNF
Hafizh Syahrin MAL Red Bull KTM Tech3 (RC16) DNF
Valentino Rossi ITA Monster Yamaha (YZR-M1) DNF
Franco Morbidelli ITA Petronas Yamaha SRT (YZR-M1) DNF
Tito Rabat ESP Reale Avintia Ducati (GP18) DNF

[Naida_BR]

This one a good race compared to other Monaco races as the few last races here has not been eventful.This one yesterday was beautiful with many things that happened yesterday.I am sorry for Leclerc as the race would have been more beautiful with him being in the fight for the top positions.

The race was one of the most boring games for the last seasons.
Not any pressure to the first line up and also the fact That pit stops happen instantly doesn't give the opportunity for more different strategies.

[slocker]

We have Canadian GP for the weekend, lets see if Ferrari can take some moves or this is another season to forget about.

07 JUN Practice 1 16:00 - 17:30
07 JUN Practice 2 20:00 - 21:30
08 JUN Practice 3 17:00 - 18:00
08 JUN Qualifying 20:00 - 21:00
09 JUN Race 20:10 - 22:10

[Naida_BR]

Vettel is going to start from the first position.
It's time for Ferrari now to show what they can do in this season. If they lost again then this season will be disastrous for them.

[slocker]

2019 FORMULA 1 Canadian Grand Prix - STARTING GRID
   
1   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   
4   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   
6   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   
7   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   
9   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   
10   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   
11   Carlos Sainz*   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   
12   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   
13   Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   
14   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   
15   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   
16   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   
18   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   
19   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   
Pit lane start   Kevin Magnussen**   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team

*Carlos Sainz has a three-place grid penalty for impeding another driver during qualifying

**Kevin Magnussen will start from pit lane after changing his car Survival Cell and breaking parc ferme conditions following his qualifying crash

[LTU_btc]

So, Canada GP was very contraversial. Vettel crossed checkered flag first, but Hamilton won the race because Vettel got 5 second time penalty.Here is video of accident if you haven't saw it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhX-ZzPhzo
What do you think about it. Contraversial decision of steward, it's probably least what I can say about it.
Canada is one of rare tracks where Ferrari have advantage against Mercedes and they still didn't managed to win. Today Vettel had everything in his hands until that moment. Now I can't imagine that he can still fight for champion title this season.

[Juggy777]

So, Canada GP was very contraversial. Vettel crossed checkered flag first, but Hamilton won the race because Vettel got 5 second time penalty.Here is video of accident if you haven't saw it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhX-ZzPhzo
What do you think about it. Contraversial decision of steward, it's probably least what I can say about it.
Canada is one of rare tracks where Ferrari have advantage against Mercedes and they still didn't managed to win. Today Vettel had everything in his hands until that moment. Now I can't imagine that he can still fight for champion title this season.

It was indeed a controversial decision and I feel the steward handed the race to Hamilton, I felt they should have reversed their decision as Vettel deserved this victory. Vettel must be very disappointed by this outcome, as he came first but he yet lost the race to Hamilton. With this victory Mercedes have almost sealed the title, and it’s a repeat of last season where Ferrari just couldn’t compete with Mercedes.

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.canadian-grand-prix-2019-race-report-highlights.4Jhsl7NERcdaUp4igw5vXi.html

[slocker]

So, Canada GP was very contraversial. Vettel crossed checkered flag first, but Hamilton won the race because Vettel got 5 second time penalty.Here is video of accident if you haven't saw it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhX-ZzPhzo
What do you think about it. Contraversial decision of steward, it's probably least what I can say about it.
Canada is one of rare tracks where Ferrari have advantage against Mercedes and they still didn't managed to win. Today Vettel had everything in his hands until that moment. Now I can't imagine that he can still fight for champion title this season.

It was indeed a controversial decision and I feel the steward handed the race to Hamilton, I felt they should have reversed their decision as Vettel deserved this victory. Vettel must be very disappointed by this outcome, as he came first but he yet lost the race to Hamilton. With this victory Mercedes have almost sealed the title, and it’s a repeat of last season where Ferrari just couldn’t compete with Mercedes.

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.canadian-grand-prix-2019-race-report-highlights.4Jhsl7NERcdaUp4igw5vXi.html

Think this is most viewers opinion. Since the start of Hybrid era everything is set for Mercedes rules and on top of this they made almost every rule to suit them in any possible way. This is shame this was classic racing incident. Personally dont like both of them, more for Leclerc he is the future of this sport, but think that Vettel stated in team conversation what I suppose to do crash on Lewis or in wall.

In the end What is done is done, and it cannot be changed in any possible way.

[slocker]

The complete race results for the Canadian Grand Prix at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve.

2019 FORMULA 1 CANADIAN GRAND PRIX - RACE RESULTS

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   70 laps
2   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Scuderia Ferrari   +3.658s*
3   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   +4.696s
4   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport   +51.043s
5   Max Verstappen   NED   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   +57.655s
6   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Renault F1 Team   +1 lap
7   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   Renault F1 Team   +1 lap
8   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Aston Martin Red Bull Racing Honda   +1 lap
9   Lance Stroll   CAN   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   +1 lap
10   Daniil Kvyat   RUS   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   +1 lap
11   Carlos Sainz   ESP   McLaren F1 Team   +1 lap
12   Sergio Perez   MEX   SportPesa Racing Point F1 Team   +1 lap
13   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   +1 lap
14   Romain Grosjean   FRA   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   +1 lap
15   Kimi Raikkonen   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing   +1 lap
16   George Russell   GBR   ROKiT Williams Racing   +2 laps
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Rich Energy Haas F1 Team   +2 laps
18   Robert Kubica   POL   ROKiT Williams Racing   +3 laps
    Alexander Albon   THA   Red Bull Toro Rosso Honda   DNF
    Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   DNF

*Sebastian Vettel given a five-second time penalty

[Naida_BR]

So, Canada GP was very contraversial. Vettel crossed checkered flag first, but Hamilton won the race because Vettel got 5 second time penalty.Here is video of accident if you haven't saw it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqhX-ZzPhzo
What do you think about it. Contraversial decision of steward, it's probably least what I can say about it.
Canada is one of rare tracks where Ferrari have advantage against Mercedes and they still didn't managed to win. Today Vettel had everything in his hands until that moment. Now I can't imagine that he can still fight for champion title this season.

It was indeed a controversial decision and I feel the steward handed the race to Hamilton, I felt they should have reversed their decision as Vettel deserved this victory. Vettel must be very disappointed by this outcome, as he came first but he yet lost the race to Hamilton. With this victory Mercedes have almost sealed the title, and it’s a repeat of last season where Ferrari just couldn’t compete with Mercedes.

Source: https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.canadian-grand-prix-2019-race-report-highlights.4Jhsl7NERcdaUp4igw5vXi.html

Think this is most viewers opinion. Since the start of Hybrid era everything is set for Mercedes rules and on top of this they made almost every rule to suit them in any possible way. This is shame this was classic racing incident. Personally dont like both of them, more for Leclerc he is the future of this sport, but think that Vettel stated in team conversation what I suppose to do crash on Lewis or in wall.

In the end What is done is done, and it cannot be changed in any possible way.

The decision was correct.
Vettel came to the track instantly in the racing line and Hamilton was forced to reduce his pace otherwise they will be crashed.
If there wasn't a wall to block Lewis then the Mercedes' driver would have overtake him easily. The decision was fair and I am impressed that so many people see it wrongly.

[LTU_btc]

The decision was correct.
Vettel came to the track instantly in the racing line and Hamilton was forced to reduce his pace otherwise they will be crashed.
If there wasn't a wall to block Lewis then the Mercedes' driver would have overtake him easily. The decision was fair and I am impressed that so many people see it wrongly.

Maybe you're right. When Vettel was on grass, he didn't had full control of his car. But still, it was his mistake and he is supposed to return to track safely without makind danger to other drivers.

[Naida_BR]

The decision was correct.
Vettel came to the track instantly in the racing line and Hamilton was forced to reduce his pace otherwise they will be crashed.
If there wasn't a wall to block Lewis then the Mercedes' driver would have overtake him easily. The decision was fair and I am impressed that so many people see it wrongly.

Maybe you're right. When Vettel was on grass, he didn't had full control of his car. But still, it was his mistake and he is supposed to return to track safely without makind danger to other drivers.

Exactly. And after all, even if he hadn't control of the car, he made a mistake and he had to be punished for that.
He stopped Hamilton's pace and he nearly caused an accident.

[slocker]

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You may be right but this is classic driving incident. Let me ask you cuz I follow this on twitter and all possible driving sport news sites, and most legend in all sports are on Vettel side.
So my pick on this would Lewis get punishment if he done this? Or even better tell me can you maintain car after grass driving almost in full speed. No one can.

So whats done is done, Ferrari is made complain to the FIA court but from all the thing so far seen this will be as it is.

[swogerino]

Many persons on different platforms where is being discussed F1 are saying that Hamilton didn't deserve this win but I think that he deserved it.It is not Hamilton fault that Vettel made a mistake and tried to recover by trying to force Hamilton outside the track.

The Championship is becoming boring I see but that happens when there is really no competition right now against Mercedes.

[Naida_BR]

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You may be right but this is classic driving incident. Let me ask you cuz I follow this on twitter and all possible driving sport news sites, and most legend in all sports are on Vettel side.
So my pick on this would Lewis get punishment if he done this? Or even better tell me can you maintain car after grass driving almost in full speed. No one can.

So whats done is done, Ferrari is made complain to the FIA court but from all the thing so far seen this will be as it is.

Even if you are right (you are not actually  ) you lose it because you are targeting Hamilton with that. He didn't take the decision and I don't think that in anyway FIA likes Hamilton and not Vettel.

And if we think that he couldn't control the car after going on grass, he nearly destroyed the race of another driver. Wouldn't be punished for that?

In both cases (even if Vettel did that on purpose or by mistake) he needs to be punished.

[bbc.reporter]

I predict Sebastian will not be extending his contract in Ferrari after maybe retire. It is now very clear that there is nothing for him in that team.

However, maybe he might come back and reunite with Christian Horner and Adrian Newey in Redbull and become a championship team again hehehehe.

[swogerino]

I predict Sebastian will not be extending his contract in Ferrari after maybe retire. It is now very clear that there is nothing for him in that team.

However, maybe he might come back and reunite with Christian Horner and Adrian Newey in Redbull and become a championship team again hehehehe.

Ferrari looks like a curse to talented drivers and World Champions like Alonso which tried for some years without result and now the same is happening with Vettel.I look forward to see a good guy like Leclerc break the curse and become World Champion in one of the upcoming years.