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They are doing qualify under the rain and the music is always the same.

Hamilton and Verstappen are the faster with the rain, Ferrari is a disaster too under the rain 

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[Koal-84]

They are doing qualify under the rain and the music is always the same.

Hamilton and Verstappen are the faster with the rain, Ferrari is a disaster too under the rain  

Hamilton make a very fast qualy time nobody can beat this, Verstappen have no luck in his last round and turn so the last chance for improvement . Ferrari looks slower than the last weekend. Tomorrow are dry track so looks interesting for the race.

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Hamilton make a very fast Qualy time, Verstappen have no luck in bis last round and turn. Ferrari looks slower than last weekend. Tomorrow are dry track so looks interesting for the race.

Sky's commentator they were talking about a full dry setup for a Ferrari because they think "Ferrari already know they suck so they may have done the setup only for the race to get a big advantage while other they have done the setup for the wet track too"

Hamilton is a god with the rain and Verstappen is close to him.

[-CryptoViking-]

Hamilton make a very fast Qualy time, Verstappen have no luck in bis last round and turn. Ferrari looks slower than last weekend. Tomorrow are dry track so looks interesting for the race.

Sky's commentator they were talking about a full dry setup for a Ferrari because they think "Ferrari already know they suck so they may have done the setup only for the race to get a big advantage while other they have done the setup for the wet track too"

Hamilton is a god with the rain and Verstappen is close to him.

It is a real possibility since both Ferrrari's looked a bit too slow if you ask me. Yes they lack a lot of everything, straight speed, aero, but I think the gap was a bit much for my taste to be just the skill and the car, so dry setup could be a solid explanation for quali performance.

It will be another crazy race by the looks of it and I can't wait for it to start. This might be one really interesting season after all despite Merc domination as midfield is getting so tightly packed.

[coinlocket$]

Well adding more s**t to Ferrari's race.

LeClerc got a penalty of 3 positions and he will now start from the 14th place.

The penalty was for obstructing another driver during the qualify session.

[-CryptoViking-]

Well adding more s**t to Ferrari's race.

LeClerc got a penalty of 3 positions and he will now start from the 14th place.

The penalty was for obstructing another driver during the qualify session.

That is an incident with Daniil Kvyat if iI remember correctly. I would say that is going to make a big impact, Ferrari's only chance to reach podium is if we have another thriller race with safety cars and chaos.On pure performance they don't look good enough, but there is a bit of light in this doom and gloom scenario for Ferrari.

Vettel's pace on mediums in long run simulations on FP2 was actually competitive and on par with others from top teams and if lady luck decides to help a bit Ferrari could end up near podiums or even on podium again.

[LTU_btc]

Damn, seems it was interesting qualifying in wet conditions, unfortunately I wasn't at home to watch it. But as I see, tomorrow race will be dry probably. Haven't followed what's going on in recent days, but after looking at Ferrari results, seems they haven't prepared upgrade for Styrian GP, right?
BTW, now I watch IndyCar race, and I see that there is lot of spectators in the track. Situation with corona is worse in US than in Europe, but they are still held race with spectators. Why F1 can't let at least limited number spectators to watch race in track.

[Koal-84]

Damn, seems it was interesting qualifying in wet conditions, unfortunately I wasn't at home to watch it. But as I see, tomorrow race will be dry probably. Haven't followed what's going on in recent days, but after looking at Ferrari results, seems they haven't prepared upgrade for Styrian GP, right?
BTW, now I watch IndyCar race, and I see that there is lot of spectators in the track. Situation with corona is worse in US than in Europe, but they are still held race with spectators. Why F1 can't let at least limited number spectators to watch race in track.

Yes Ferrari have this weekend New aerodynamic parts, but the result is not so good than Ferrari think. All powered Teams with Ferrari engine are not so fast than last year. Maybe the make or have also planed a engine upgrade?

Many work for the Ferrari development.

For spectators i think the next rating are at August?

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ok Ferrari is a joke this year, they can retire their car and wait for next year.

They toched themself when they were around 10th position. What a disaster.

Mercedes probably already won the title.

[Koal-84]

ok Ferrari is a joke this year, they can retire their car and wait for next year.

They toched themself when they were around 10th position. What a disaster.

Mercedes probably already won the title.

Worst case for Ferrari this weekend, the last weekend Ferrari have many luck i think. The performance are normally not good enough for the second place.
The Hungary Brand prix is slower than the Austria, maybe Ferrari is there better or the same slow performance?

[tokeweed]

ok Ferrari is a joke this year, they can retire their car and wait for next year.

They toched themself when they were around 10th position. What a disaster.

Mercedes probably already won the title.

Vettel was pretty wise to leave after this year.  The politics behind the scenes and the struggle prolly wasn't worth fighting for another contract at the team.

And the writing was on the wall when Leclerc went in anyway.

[Koal-84]

Start - Finish victory from Hamilton, very interesting race in the middle field between rank 4 and 8. The Ferrari powerd cars in it's own to slow to drive in the points.
Next weekend different track so the cards are mixed new, but i think the favorites are the same Mercedes and Max.

[boltz]

Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position

[babygun]

Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position

I am not a big fan of Leclerc, he is talented but too arrogant. Also not the smartest person with his violation of the Corona rules.

It is too bad that a lot of young talents don't get a real chance if they don't have the money or network.

[boltz]

Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position

I am not a big fan of Leclerc, he is talented but too arrogant. Also not the smartest person with his violation of the Corona rules.

It is too bad that a lot of young talents don't get a real chance if they don't have the money or network.

Both Bottas and Leclerc violated the terms on Corona rules and even more why did Hamilton drink from the bottle and then he sprays his team with it ? That was not so smart , right ? Anyway , the race was good but not so entertained as the previous one. A lot of young talents are waiting in F2 but I do hope we will see Mick instead of Leclerc.

[LTU_btc]

^ I agree about thoughts about Leclerc. He is very talented driver, but his behaviour is something what I don't like. And I just feel sorry for Seb because this season will be very difficult for him. It's something like living with your ex.
I think Red Bull made mistake with such early pit stop. Even Max asked why they made pit stop so early. With old tyres he had no chance to defend against Bottas.
Next weekend we will have Hungarian GP and it's quite boring track. Good that we have only 1 race there .

Both Bottas and Leclerc violated the terms on Corona rules and even more why did Hamilton drink from the bottle and then he sprays his team with it ? That was not so smart , right ?

Only Leclerc violated terms, Bottas didn't left his "social bubble" when he returned back home to Monaco.

[boltz]

^ I agree about thoughts about Leclerc. He is very talented driver, but his behaviour is something what I don't like. And I just feel sorry for Seb because this season will be very difficult for him. It's something like living with your ex.
I think Red Bull made mistake with such early pit stop. Even Max asked why they made pit stop so early. With old tyres he had no chance to defend against Bottas.
Next weekend we will have Hungarian GP and it's quite boring track. Good that we have only 1 race there .

Both Bottas and Leclerc violated the terms on Corona rules and even more why did Hamilton drink from the bottle and then he sprays his team with it ? That was not so smart , right ?

Only Leclerc violated terms, Bottas didn't left his "social bubble" when he returned back home to Monaco.

I feel sorry for Seb aswell even if I'm not a Ferrari fan but when a kid comes into a big team like this and starts to acts childish and makes mistake like this, normally, would make Ferrari over think the seat of Binotto and Leclerc aswell as Seb did a really good job in 2018 until Leclerc came into team.

Now, lets not be too drastic with this kid as in 2019 he proved he was talented but the car was cheating the rules with that oil infuse into gasoline and also a power unit that was way above the regulations. I would say that in 2021, Ferrari will have 2 drivers that will stomp on each other in order to prove something ... .

[coinlocket$]

Can we all admit now that Leclerc is just a cocky dude with a lot of money who thinks he's already better than everyone ? Since he came to Ferrari , Vettel no longer wants to race and personally I don't like Ferrari at all but now I hate them just because of this kid as he doesn't know he's the 2nd driver with 0 titles. Next year with Sainz in team, I'm afraid that Ferrari will look even worst as both drivers wants to demonstrate something... .

Overall, Hamilton proves once again that he is a beast in that Mercedes and I felt sorry for Max not keeping his 2nd position

He is young and he is (was) in a competitive team.
Do you remember Verstappen 2 years ago? He was crashing into ANYone. Give him some time he is talented as few.

He is stronger than Vettel, stronger than a 4times World Champions.

The question is, is Vettel strong or he won only because the RedBull is strong like the Mercedes Today?


2019
7 poles VS 2 poles


Source: https://www.racing-statistics.com/en/drivers/compare/charles-leclerc/sebastian-vettel/seasons/2019

[swogerino]

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

[Naida_BR]

Yesterday was a good race.Not with the same action that we saw in the first race but a good overall race.Both Ferrari drivers had their fault in the incident.Leclerc has got to Vettel but also Vettel was not careful at all by not checking his mirrors.The major fault is of Leclerc but this incident could have been avoided.

Ferrari needs to instantly change drivers.
There is not clear to them who is the first driver and who is the second in the team.
This is why drivers collide in so many races. The problem is administrative in the team and needs to be solved as soon as possible.