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[waelov]

Max will start last race of season from pole, Lewis 2nd. Gap between them isn't small, 0.371 second. In fast lap Perez helped to Max a lot by giving slipstream on the straight..
Norris 3rd, Perez 4th, Bottas just 6th, it may be big factor tomorrow.

Max will be starting on Softs that going to give him advantage over Hamilton who will be on Mediums different strategies will make the difference as RDB bailed on starting with Medium strategies in Q2 after Verstappen had a lock and flatten his Medium tire and he had no spare Mediums to race on case the tires he had will make disadvantages for him in Race I think that Mercedes still didn't show their best in Qualifications and the 1 stop Strategy could work for them.

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Anyway some trivia...  Which driver has the most over takes this season?  

Interesting question. I'm not going to google it, but this has to be someone who normally starts quite far back on the grid, but has acquired quite a lot of championship points. I'm going to go with Norris or maybe even Alonso, with Perez as a long shot because he always seems to start way back considering he's in a Red Bull. Actually, Ricciardo might be a possibility, too. But now I have mentioned almost half the grid!

I'd not consider Vettel, because I don't think he can overtake, similar to Bottas.


Okay, final decision: Norris.



Edit... I've just googled it and found the answer

It’s close between the driver you expect and the driver you would never expect because of the stigma that he ‘just had the best car’. Lol.  

Anyway, nice qualifying for Verstappen as expected.  But I wonder what’s Red Bull’s strategy tomorrow since Verstappen ruined his mediums in Q2 and was forced to take his fastest lap with the softs...  Prolly run the softs for as long as he can and slap on the mediums?

2021 F1 Abu Dhabi GP Qualifying Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m23.322s   1m22.800s   1m22.109s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m22.845s   1m23.145s   1m22.480s
3   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m23.553s   1m23.256s   1m22.931s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m23.350s   1m23.135s   1m22.947s
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m23.624s   1m23.174s   1m22.992s
6   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m23.117s   1m23.246s   1m23.036s
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m23.467s   1m23.202s   1m23.122s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m23.428s   1m23.404s   1m23.220s
9   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m23.764s   1m23.420s   1m23.389s
10   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m23.829s   1m23.448s   1m23.409s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Alpine F1 Team   1m23.846s   1m23.460s   
12   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m23.489s   1m24.043s   
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m24.061s   1m24.066s   
14   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m24.118s   1m24.251s   
15   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m24.225s   1m24.305s   
16   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m24.338s       
17   George Russell   GBR   Williams Racing   1m24.423s       
18   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m24.779s       
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m24.906s       
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m25.685s

[Cnut237]

nice qualifying for Verstappen as expected.  But I wonder what’s Red Bull’s strategy tomorrow since Verstappen ruined his mediums in Q2 and was forced to take his fastest lap with the softs...  Prolly run the softs for as long as he can and slap on the mediums?

It was a superb qualifying lap from Verstappen. He was aided a bit by that Perez slipstream, but apparently that only gained him about 0.2s, so he would have beaten Hamilton to pole quite comfortably anyway.
I don't know what's happening with the softs, with Perez doing it too, it's almost like Red Bull were always planning both of them to start on the softs to get an advantage off the line at the start of the race to try to gain control of position on the track, and then try to hold it as long as they can.

If Lewis can beat Max off the line, then it's definitely advantage Mercedes.
But if Max gets away quickest, which you would expect as he's on softs and on pole anyway, then maybe Perez comes into play, and they can use him to control when Hamilton has to pit. But you'd expect Hamilton to go longer than the other two anyway as he's on mediums. Maybe the plan is stop Perez early, run Max as long as possible so long as he can keep Lewis behind, so they are both slowing as Max's tyres wear down, and then they both come out behind Perez, who let's Max through but holds up Lewis? I don't know. There are a few options I suppose, and it all depends how the first couple of laps play out.

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With good teamwork from Redbull, Hamilton could nothing against the strategy
Tomorrow will be a hell of GP.

As always Bottas is useless was better for Mercedes to swap him with Bottas 3 races ago.

[darxiaomi]

If im Red Bull i send Perez to crash L.W. So they come back the Silverstone crash and give Verstappen the championship and also Mercedes wins the constructor. WIN - WIN. 

[Real-Duke]

If im Red Bull i send Perez to crash L.W. So they come back the Silverstone crash and give Verstappen the championship and also Mercedes wins the constructor. WIN - WIN. 

Hmm I hope we will see a fair race tomorrow with no accidents between the leaders. For the moment I see Verstappen in a little advantage but with his red tires and the Mercedes Motor from the brasilian Grand Prix in Hamiltons car...this could be very interesting race for all of us

[Koal-84]

With good teamwork from Redbull, Hamilton could nothing against the strategy
Tomorrow will be a hell of GP.

As always Bottas is useless was better for Mercedes to swap him with Bottas 3 races ago.

Red Bull will be hoping that Perez can overtake Hamilton on the red tyres, or at least Norris, on which tyres will Norris start tomorrow?

Hamilton will definitely try to avoid a start collision even if he loses a position.

[justdimin]

I am not entirely sure if softs was what Max or Red Bull really wanted to start the race with. That will give Max a clear advantage for a while, and he will be able to take the lead probably, I mean he kind of has to take the lead for sure otherwise it is going to be horrible for him. Considering he takes the lead and brings it to a 20+ second difference before he has to pit, then he could potentially have a great race, put on the hard tires and just go to distance with it.

However, if he doesn't take the lead, or he has Hamilton right behind him before he needs to pit, then it is going to be horrible for him, there is no way Hamilton would give up position when he has much better tires. Max with that lock-up surely did have a horrible result even though he is at pole, it is going to be a strategically warfare once again and we all know how that works out. I would say most places closed their bets already, but if you can, then Max at pole may have increased his chances and lowered for Hamilton, I would say that is a good bet for Hamilton in the long run.

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Red Bull will be hoping that Perez can overtake Hamilton on the red tyres, or at least Norris, on which tyres will Norris start tomorrow?

Hamilton will definitely try to avoid a start collision even if he loses a position.

Cant remember 

Both Redbull is with Red tyres and both Mercedes are with Yellow Tyres.
It will be easier for Redbull at the start since they have more grip.

I hope Perez will not be a kamikaze on 1st turn.

[Jackl87]

Max will start last race of season from pole, Lewis 2nd. Gap between them isn't small, 0.371 second. In fast lap Perez helped to Max a lot by giving slipstream on the straight..
Norris 3rd, Perez 4th, Bottas just 6th, it may be big factor tomorrow.

On the first sight it looks like a pretty big gap for Verstappen and that the Red Bull is just as fast or even faster than the Mercedes on this track but i am not so sure if that is true for the race tomorrow. As you already mentioned Verstappen benefited from the slipstream that Perez gave him on the straight and i think this was at least worth 0,1s or even 0,2s. In addition to that, Hamilton can start with the medium tyres tomorrow which gives him a tactical advantage in my opinion. At the start it should be easier for Verstappen because he has more grip right at the beginning but he totally needs to stay ahead of hamilton at the beginning.

[lulumiya]

I was really delighted with Verstappen's superb qualifying performance today. He did a great job with soft tires in Q2 and Q3. Maybe Perez also had a role in Verstappen's awesome pole lap but Verstappen's perseverance was the biggest factor. Hamilton was nearly 0.4 seconds behind him. But as Verstappen is gonna start to the race with soft tires and Hamilton is gonna have mediums, we can watch a very interesting race.

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MotoGP has released the schedule for next year.

1. Grand Prix of Qatar (Losail International Circuit, QATAR) - 06 Mar 2022
2. Grand Prix of Indonesia (Mandalika International Street Circuit) - 20 Mar 2022
3. Gran Premio de la República Argentina (Termas de Río Hondo) - 03 Apr 2022
4. Grand Prix of The Americas  (Circuit Of The Americas) - 10 Apr 2022
5. Grande Prémio de Portugal  (Autódromo Internacional do Algarve) - 24 Apr 2022
6. Gran Premio de España  (Circuito de Jerez - Angel Nieto) - 01 May 2022
7. Grand Prix de France (Le Mans) - 15 May 2022
8. Gran Premio d’Italia (Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello) - 25 May 2022
9. Gran Premi de Catalunya (Circuit de Barcelona) - 05 June 2022
10. Motorrad Grand Prix Deutschland (Sachsenring) - 19 June 2022
11. TT Assen (TT Circuit Assen, Netherland) - 26 June 2022
12. Grand Prix of Finland (KymiRing) - 10 July 2022
13. British Grand Prix (Silverstone Circuit) - 07 Aug 2022
14. Motorrad Grand Prix von Österreich (Red Bull Ring - Spielberg, Austria) - 21 Aug 2022
15. Gran Premio di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini (Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli, Italy) - 04 Sept 2022
16. Gran Premio de Aragón (MotorLand Aragón, spain) - 18 Sept 2022
17. Grand Prix of Japan (Twin Ring Motegi) - 25 Sept 2022
18. Thailand Grand Prix (Chang International Circuit) - 02 Oct 2022
19. Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix (Phillip Island) - 16 Oct 2022
20. Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (Sepang International Circuit) - 23 Oct 2022
21. Gran Premio de la Comunitat Valenciana (Circuit Ricardo Tormo, Spain) -  06 Nov 2022

This is the first time Indonesia be the host of a MotoGP event, I hope successful with no weather problems and the government has to prepare to anything with strict health protocol.

About Marquez, he possibly didn't race yet at the beginning.

source: https://www.motogp.com/en/calendar

[Jackl87]

With good teamwork from Redbull, Hamilton could nothing against the strategy
Tomorrow will be a hell of GP.

As always Bottas is useless was better for Mercedes to swap him with Bottas 3 races ago.

Well i think it was the decision of Mercedes to not use Bottas to give Hamilton a slipstream like Perez did it for Verstappen and i don't even think that the advantage because of the slipstream was too big. Verstappen's last lap was even faster then his pole lap and he had no help because of a slipstream there but then he cancelled it and slowed down because he got the news that Hamilton failed to be faster than him.
Overall i would even say, that Bottas was a way bigger help for Hamilton in this season than Perez was for Verstappen. This is pretty obvious if you simply look at the standings of the drivers championship not only at the points but also at the number of podiums.

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MotoGP has released the schedule for next year.

1. Grand Prix of Qatar (Losail International Circuit, QATAR) - 06 Mar 2022
2. Grand Prix of Indonesia (Mandalika International Street Circuit) - 20 Mar 2022
3. Gran Premio de la República Argentina (Termas de Río Hondo) - 03 Apr 2022
4. Grand Prix of The Americas  (Circuit Of The Americas) - 10 Apr 2022
5. Grande Prémio de Portugal  (Autódromo Internacional do Algarve) - 24 Apr 2022
6. Gran Premio de España  (Circuito de Jerez - Angel Nieto) - 01 May 2022
7. Grand Prix de France (Le Mans) - 15 May 2022
8. Gran Premio d’Italia (Autodromo Internazionale del Mugello) - 25 May 2022
9. Gran Premi de Catalunya (Circuit de Barcelona) - 05 June 2022
10. Motorrad Grand Prix Deutschland (Sachsenring) - 19 June 2022
11. TT Assen (TT Circuit Assen, Netherland) - 26 June 2022
12. Grand Prix of Finland (KymiRing) - 10 July 2022
13. British Grand Prix (Silverstone Circuit) - 07 Aug 2022
14. Motorrad Grand Prix von Österreich (Red Bull Ring - Spielberg, Austria) - 21 Aug 2022
15. Gran Premio di San Marino e della Riviera di Rimini (Misano World Circuit Marco Simoncelli, Italy) - 04 Sept 2022
16. Gran Premio de Aragón (MotorLand Aragón, spain) - 18 Sept 2022
17. Grand Prix of Japan (Twin Ring Motegi) - 25 Sept 2022
18. Thailand Grand Prix (Chang International Circuit) - 02 Oct 2022
19. Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix (Phillip Island) - 16 Oct 2022
20. Malaysia Motorcycle Grand Prix (Sepang International Circuit) - 23 Oct 2022
21. Gran Premio de la Comunitat Valenciana (Circuit Ricardo Tormo, Spain) -  06 Nov 2022

source: https://www.motogp.com/en/calendar

The composition of the riders who will compete in 2022 with each team also already exists and this is compiled after dorna has completed the Race schedule for next year with a total of 21 races that will take place.
I really can't wait to see another MotoGP match with so many talented young riders so the potential for competition will be very fierce again next year

source: https://twitter.com/MotoGP

[Koal-84]

Very bad start by Verstappen and also quite aggressive manoeuvre but the shortcut by Hamilton was a bit big even if he had nowhere else to go, but he took the shortcut as big as he could and probably got half a second out of it. But we'll see, the race is still a long time away, but Hamilton certainly has an advantage for the world championship now.

[Koal-84]

Last chance with the virtual safety car for Verstappen and RedBull, Verstappen can only hope that Hamilton's tyres degrade quickly. 18 laps to go and only 15 seconds to go and both tyres are degrading. If Verstappen becomes world champion, Verstappen can thank Perez and Giovinazzi. It will be an exciting 17 laps and the last chance for Verstappen.

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another WTF Gp.

Safety car on 2 laps at the end and now Verstappen will probably win

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No words here except Mercedes prolly shot themselves in the leg for leaving Hamilton out while Verstappen was pitting for a new set of hards during the virtual safety car.  Verstappen to get the fastest lap was 3.45.  Wooow.  What a season ender.  This really made my day.  I thought it was all Hamilton.

[Koal-84]

another WTF Gp.

Safety car on 2 laps at the end and now Verstappen will probably win

Never before has a world championship been decided like that in the last lap around the safety car, the lapping of the cars was also strange but that will be a topic of conversation, but for me a deserved world champion, Verstappen had more bad luck during the season and luck on his side in the last race. It's a pity that Perez dropped out, otherwise the constructors' championship would have been exciting.

The most important thing is no more penalties after the race, then it would be ridiculous.

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The most important thing is no more penalties after the race, then it would be ridiculous.

Verstappen actually did a Zig Zag movie during the overtaking and this is illegal and punishable with a penalty.