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[el kaka22]

Practice is not really something that we should based the real races on. I mean just because one is better than the other on practice, doesn't mean they will be doing anything that will matter, it just means that we are going to end up with something that would be "similar" on how they will driver, the mindset, but not the pace.

As we all know, during the race we start with much lower paces, and then break way above these levels and be super fast by the end of it (fuel). So, do not be shocked if Max leads the whole race, or Charles does, or Perez does, or hell even Sainz could do something like that and I wouldn't be shocked to be fair.

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That would definitely be possible, somehow Vettel also seems to have lost the motivation a bit, so a resignation can't be ruled out.

What still surprises me at the moment is Perez, who is still a real competitor to Leclerc and Verstappen, the duel seems to turn into a three-way fight.

Well we should consider the 2 GP with Zero points for Verstappen and the GP with 0 point for Lecrler.

For now he is for sure consistent but don't know if can keep their paste.

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Who do you think will fill Jack Miller's seat at the factory Ducati next season ? because in the past Ducati never looked at a racer based on his country, but they (the manufacturer) looked more at a rider based on the performance in one season.
So, if it were for two candidates like Enea Bastianini and Jorge Martin, who would the manufacturer choose ?
Personally, I prefer Enea Bastianini because his performance at the beginning of this season was very good, even though in the last few races he had crashes.

[Fakhrulenclix]

Who do you think will fill Jack Miller's seat at the factory Ducati next season ? because in the past Ducati never looked at a racer based on his country, but they (the manufacturer) looked more at a rider based on the performance in one season.
So, if it were for two candidates like Enea Bastianini and Jorge Martin, who would the manufacturer choose ?
Personally, I prefer Enea Bastianini because his performance at the beginning of this season was very good, even though in the last few races he had crashes.

I also think Bastianini has a better chance of riding a factory Ducati bike next year in place of Jack Miller, despite his impressive performances at the start of the season.
while Jorge Martin experienced a decline in performance at the beginning of this season, as Rookie of the Year in MotoGP 2021 Jorge Martin failed to maintain a brilliant appearance in the MotoGP series at the beginning of the season, although there are still many series remaining for this season but I think it will be very difficult for him to bounce back considering that its competitors are starting to find the right feel for the motorbike they are riding and starting to be competitive.

[swogerino]

That would definitely be possible, somehow Vettel also seems to have lost the motivation a bit, so a resignation can't be ruled out.

What still surprises me at the moment is Perez, who is still a real competitor to Leclerc and Verstappen, the duel seems to turn into a three-way fight.

Well we should consider the 2 GP with Zero points for Verstappen and the GP with 0 point for Lecrler.

For now he is for sure consistent but don't know if can keep their paste.

I think that the end of the FP2 doesn't show the real pace of Verstappen as he was slowed down by some yellow flags from what I saw yesterday during the FP2 so I have gone ahead and put a Pole win for Verstappen today.I am confident in this track Redbull will be superior as the fast parts of the track are more relevant than the slow ones.It all depends on the timing on when drivers come out to make their fastest qualifying lap as this is a long track which can cause traffic in difficult parts of it like the castle part for example slowing down the driver doing the faster lap a lot.

Perez is full of confidence here having won the last Baku GP last year,with luck but whatever a win is still a win.

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Verstappen's last lap, which was a really fast flying lap was ruined by Ocon or was it Latifi, again.  Lmao.  Who knows if he would've gotten the no. 1 spot if it hadn't been ruined.  But all in all, another good one by Perez.  His betting line to win went from 6.25 down to 6.10.  Let's see what his line will be once the books open the market for bets again.

Interesting stuff going on at the Red Bull paddock rn.  What if Perez is the faster driver this season?

2022 F1 Azerbaijan GP FP3 Results

1   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m43.170s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m43.240s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m43.449s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m43.596s
5   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m44.418s
6   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m44.476s
7   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m44.491s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m44.573s
9   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m44.685s
10   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m44.689s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m44.842s
12   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m44.845s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m44.879s
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m44.913s
15   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m44.919s
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m44.964s
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m45.479s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m45.532s
19   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m45.574s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m46.070s

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This is surprising to me, Ferrari is close to Redbull on this track.

Ferrari used a low drag wing but I still think RBR is hiding himself.




Sky Sport also showed a clip of the out-lap for Leclerc of Monaco.
Albion was ahead of him, with a blue flag he ignored them completely for 1 entire lap, Verstappen gained in this way 4 seconds and overtook Charles.

And yes, Albion is still under Redbull's wing.

[dezoel]

Looking at how the practice runs were RB-FR-RB-FR on first, and FR-RB-RB-FR on the second, we could easily say that there is absolutely no difference between the cars so far in this track neither. It will be mainly the same levels of car, going head to head, and a big title fight all over again. It is cool to watch two cars that have similar pace and what not, compared to all those years we watched Mercedes have a better car.

Even last year Mercedes I believe had a better car, remember that Brazil race? That was one of the most dominant races one car could have ever shown, which is why I believe that we finally have equal cars, and this race should be pretty close as well.

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Leclerc is quick!  He should win the race tomorrow.  I can't see how he doesn't win it unless some technical issue arises or bad weather, track conditions.  

And it's really looking like Perez is flipping the script.  Lol.  He out pips Verstappen again!  He looks alright about it now but let's see if he feels the same way after 3 - 5 GP's.  

Here are the results...

2022 F1 Azerbaijan GP Qualifying Results

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m42.865s   1m42.046s   1m41.359s
2   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m42.733s   1m41.955s   1m41.641s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m42.722s   1m42.227s   1m41.706s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m42.957s   1m42.088s   1m41.814s
5   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m43.754s   1m43.281s   1m42.712s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m43.268s   1m43.129s   1m42.845s
7   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m43.939s   1m43.182s   1m42.924s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m43.595s   1m43.376s   1m43.056s
9   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m43.279s   1m43.268s   1m43.091s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m44.083s   1m43.360s   1m43.173s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m44.237s   1m43.398s   
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m44.437s   1m43.574s   
13   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m43.903s   1m43.585s   
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m43.777s   1m43.790s   
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m44.478s   1m44.444s   
16   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m44.643s       
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m44.719s       
18   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m45.367s       
19   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m45.371s       
20   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m45.775s   

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Leclerc is quick!  He should win the race tomorrow.  I can't see how he doesn't win it unless some technical issue arises or bad weather, track conditions.  

And it's really looking like Perez is flipping the script.  Lol.  He out pips Verstappen again!  He looks alright about it now but let's see if he feels the same way after 3 - 5 GP's.  

Here are the results...

2022 F1 Azerbaijan GP Qualifying Results

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m42.865s   1m42.046s   1m41.359s
2   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m42.733s   1m41.955s   1m41.641s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m42.722s   1m42.227s   1m41.706s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m42.957s   1m42.088s   1m41.814s
5   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m43.754s   1m43.281s   1m42.712s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m43.268s   1m43.129s   1m42.845s
7   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m43.939s   1m43.182s   1m42.924s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m43.595s   1m43.376s   1m43.056s
9   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m43.279s   1m43.268s   1m43.091s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m44.083s   1m43.360s   1m43.173s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m44.237s   1m43.398s   
12   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m44.437s   1m43.574s   
13   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m43.903s   1m43.585s   
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m43.777s   1m43.790s   
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m44.478s   1m44.444s   
16   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m44.643s       
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m44.719s       
18   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m45.367s       
19   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m45.371s       
20   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m45.775s   

I think he will not win,he ruined my Verstappen and Perez bet to be on pole today.He made mistakes at every single lap during all the qualifiers except the final lap which he made an extremely perfect one.Based on the fact that he managed to make mistakes in every single lap except the last one means that he is prone to making errors tomorrow in order to create gap with the Redbulls otherwise the Redbulls have that top speed in the last part of the track.He may win the race if he manages to execute it perfectly which I highly doubt it,I am going again to bet on Verstappen and Perez to win the race of tomorrow,their odds should be better than Leclerc.

[Koal-84]

A dream lap from Leclerc and actually also from Perez, with slipstream Perez could have possibly also achieved pole position. But even so a very good result for Perez, tomorrow everything is possible for the top four. It will depend a lot on the team strategy, a small mistake like in Monaco can cost the victory again.

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I did not expect Ferrari so competitive on a fast track.

Tomorrow will be a fun race with 4 cars so close one each other.

[Koal-84]

I did not expect Ferrari so competitive on a fast track.

Tomorrow will be a fun race with 4 cars so close one each other.

Strange is actually with Ferrari they are in the top speed there and there only in the midfield but in other measurements again the fastest.

On the finish stretch RedBull is about 5 km/h faster than Ferrari, could be very exciting tomorrow the two cars are on the track about the same speed, but just at different points on the track. Tomorrow, any of the four can really win.

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Leclerc is quick!  He should win the race tomorrow.  I can't see how he doesn't win it unless some technical issue arises or bad weather, track conditions.  

And it's really looking like Perez is flipping the script.  Lol.  He out pips Verstappen again!  He looks alright about it now but let's see if he feels the same way after 3 - 5 GP's.  

I still think my earlier point is valid, and it's been the case many times already this season: Ferrari have the fastest car over a single lap in qualifying set-up, but Red Bull have the fastest car over a full race distance. I don't know what the reason is, could be differing set-ups, could be the cars behaving differently with a full tank of fuel, could be tyre deg... but we've seen it many times, Leclerc starts off ahead and an RB slowly reels him in... and then Leclerc can't catch them.

[Koal-84]

Who do you think will fill Jack Miller's seat at the factory Ducati next season ? because in the past Ducati never looked at a racer based on his country, but they (the manufacturer) looked more at a rider based on the performance in one season.
So, if it were for two candidates like Enea Bastianini and Jorge Martin, who would the manufacturer choose ?
Personally, I prefer Enea Bastianini because his performance at the beginning of this season was very good, even though in the last few races he had crashes.

According to this article Enea Bastianini will be the successor of Miller, the article also says that Martin is not consistent enough for the factory team and delivers too many crashes.

Rins now comes to the second team of Aprilia, think this is a very good solution for Rins and Aprilia. Most places next year are taken, remain only LCR Honda, KTM Tech 3 one place and one place in the 2nd Aprilia team.

https://www.speedweek.com/motogp/news/193612/MotoGP-Teams-2023-Alle-wichtigen-Plaetze-besetzt.html

[Koal-84]

Leclerc is quick!  He should win the race tomorrow.  I can't see how he doesn't win it unless some technical issue arises or bad weather, track conditions.  

And it's really looking like Perez is flipping the script.  Lol.  He out pips Verstappen again!  He looks alright about it now but let's see if he feels the same way after 3 - 5 GP's.  
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Very good start from both RedBull cars, it can not go better for Perez and now also has a very good speed, Verstappen also had a good start but there was no passage in the first corner. Now it is to watch the race and what happens, probably there will also be an accident and safetycar. Should Perez win thus race the world championship will be a three-way fight, supposedly there is no stable order at Red Bull should both pilots can fight for the world title.

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Edit:  Ok Leclerc out too.  This is not funny anymore, I'll stop with the memes.  I feel for Leclerc and Sainz.  Just another stroke of bad luck for these guys.

[swogerino]

Leclerc is quick!  He should win the race tomorrow.  I can't see how he doesn't win it unless some technical issue arises or bad weather, track conditions.  

And it's really looking like Perez is flipping the script.  Lol.  He out pips Verstappen again!  He looks alright about it now but let's see if he feels the same way after 3 - 5 GP's.  
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Very good start from both RedBull cars, it can not go better for Perez and now also has a very good speed, Verstappen also had a good start but there was no passage in the first corner. Now it is to watch the race and what happens, probably there will also be an accident and safetycar. Should Perez win thus race the world championship will be a three-way fight, supposedly there is no stable order at Red Bull should both pilots can fight for the world title.

I just arrived home knowing in my head that the race starts at 15:00 European time just to check that more than half of the race has already taken place.I can't deny that I am happy seeing both Redbulls at the first and second as this means if nothing happens to them like a stroke of bad luck like it happened to Ferraris then I will get a winning bet after quite some time losing to the Ferraris.

Yesterday I am also mad for losing my bet as Leclerc was only making errors in every single lap during the qualifiers and managed to hit a perfect one in the end ruining my bet,now is a different story and is a pro story for me so far.

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Red Bull showed some unreliability in their power unit at the start of the season, now it's the Ferrari power units that have shown that they can be unreliable too.  4 cars with Ferrari power units had something going on.  Prolly over heated as smoke was coming out of the exhaust.

Here are the results..  I sincerely hope Ferrari does better this season.  The race become boring without them.

2022 F1 Azerbaijan GP Race Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   51 Laps
2   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   + 20.823s
3   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 45.995s
4   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   + 71.679s
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 77.299s
6   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   + 84.099s
7   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 88.596s
8   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   + 92.207s
9   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   + 92.556s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   + 108.184s
11   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   + 1 Lap
12   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   + 1 Lap
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   + 1 Lap
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   + 1 Lap
15   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   + 1 Lap
    Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   DNF
    Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   DNF
    Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   DNF
    Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   DNF
    Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   DNF

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I also think Bastianini has a better chance of riding a factory Ducati bike next year in place of Jack Miller, despite his impressive performances at the start of the season.
while Jorge Martin experienced a decline in performance at the beginning of this season, as Rookie of the Year in MotoGP 2021 Jorge Martin failed to maintain a brilliant appearance in the MotoGP series at the beginning of the season, although there are still many series remaining for this season but I think it will be very difficult for him to bounce back considering that its competitors are starting to find the right feel for the motorbike they are riding and starting to be competitive.

What you say is also true because apart from the DNF they experienced at the beginning of this season, but if you look at the consistent performance and good results in several races, Bastianini is still far superior to Jorge Martin so the manufacturer will definitely prefer Bastianini to be placed in the seat occupied by Miller at this time.

According to this article Enea Bastianini will be the successor of Miller, the article also says that Martin is not consistent enough for the factory team and delivers too many crashes.

I also see it that way because some article writers and MotoGp observers at this point see more opportunities in Bastianini than Martin because Bastianini has managed to give very good results for Ducati in several races.

Rins now comes to the second team of Aprilia, think this is a very good solution for Rins and Aprilia. Most places next year are taken, remain only LCR Honda, KTM Tech 3 one place and one place in the 2nd Aprilia team.

That's obvious, but for now there are three more teams that are still possible for the riders to approach, Mooneyvr46, Pramac Racing, and also Repsol Honda.