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[Captain Corporate]

Another terrible result for Ferrari. I do not know if they had double DNF this year, I think they did not, but they had this mishap missing from everything else, so its fitting to have it now. I mean they really need to look in the mirror, without any issues, they would have been in the running for a title right now, but with these, even though there are a lot of races left, its looking like Red Bull is already celebrating like they won the title already, at this point its not Charles vs Max, its literally Max vs Checo and if Ferrari keeps this up, its going to be a veeeery simple back to back championship for Max. Such a shame, the race became so boring after a while.

[emrecemsan]

I really don't know what to say about this situation. I'm very sad for Ferrari drivers as both of them DNF. I was sad for especially Leclerc as he was doing a great job actually. He got an engine failure suddenly and there was really nothing to do about that. And Ferrari were not the only team that experienced this unfortunate incident. Two more teams with Ferrari engines were out of the race completely. It was a terrible day for Haas and Alfa Romeo also. Ferrari need to find out the main problem and fix it. The gap between Leclerc and Verstappen is opening more week by week and Perez also has got ahead of Leclerc already.

[FanEagle]

Honestly Ferrari has been so bad that I keep saying that we really need to see the team completely changing. I would keep Charles because he is a great young star, but aside from him, from Binotto to the lowest level, EVERYONE Needs to be fired and replaced. I know that is not happened recently at all because we are talking about something completely revamping the team, but that is going to be a bit of a problem.

If we could end up with something like that, then we are going to see Ferrari finally winning something, and that is a very important thing. Maybe lose 2-3 years on the way while doing it, but this team is just way too horrible to care.

[LTU_btc]

With results of recent races, we are heading to possibility that this year we won't have fight for champions title. It would be sad, considering how season started. It's no chance that Red Bull will let Perez to fight for the title, while Verstappen's lead against Leclerc is already getting significant.
Ferrari, if they don't screw up race with their tactics, then it's ruined by reliabilty issues. It's sad to see how much bad luck this season Sainz have and in many cases it wasn't his fault. Ferrari should be concerned about reliabilty, Haas and Alfa Romeo cars with their engines also retired today because of technical issues.
And it's painful to see how mcu F1 cars is porpoising on straights. It was difficult race for Lewis, while Russel continue to deliver most stable results on the grid.

[karabiber]

Congratulations to Redbull. Now we can say they are champions. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari loses the team 2nd place to Mercedes. Leclerc is having bad luck. They couldn't solve this problem, it's a shame for Leclerc. It looks like Verstappen will easily win his second title at this rate. Ferrari stumbles on updates. They have fast vehicles but they are not durable. Speed doesn't always pay off. The price of mistakes is losing the championship.

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Ferrari was actually winning in this fast track .

In the end, they got 0 points and now need hard work to get progress on these cars, they are having a lot of problems.

[Jackl87]

Another terrible result for Ferrari. I do not know if they had double DNF this year, I think they did not, but they had this mishap missing from everything else, so its fitting to have it now.

This race was a very sad one for Ferrari again. After every Ferrari fan was so happy after they have finally a car again that can fight for the championship this season it seems like now everyone is in a bad mood again. Today was even more weird and concerning than the other ones because not only both cars of the Ferrari team problems and had to stop the race. The cars of Zhou and Magnussen also had a critical engine failure and could not finish the race. Both of those cars are also using the engine from Ferrari.
It seems like Ferrari engineers were able to create a very powerful new engine but apparently the new power unit is not as reliable as it should be if you really want to fight for the championship.

[boltz]

After what I saw in this race highlights ...I'm glad I didn't watch it live to see my guy Charles struggle again and driving so good even if he missed the start but he really tried and push hard in order to comeback and win the race and it was so close... . Now the big question is : What will Ferrari do ? They just chance the engine on Charles car before Barcelona race and they also change the turbine on this race and none of it worked...like literally nothing. I don't even want to bring in discussion the fact that multiple Ferrari engines had problems in Baku and I'm afraid that Ferrari lost the title fight after this result... .

Max did what he knows best , driving without mistake , get a W and consolidate his 1st position in the Drivers Championship.

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This race was a very sad one for Ferrari again. After every Ferrari fan was so happy after they have finally a car again that can fight for the championship this season it seems like now everyone is in a bad mood again. Today was even more weird and concerning than the other ones because not only both cars of the Ferrari team problems and had to stop the race. The cars of Zhou and Magnussen also had a critical engine failure and could not finish the race. Both of those cars are also using the engine from Ferrari.
It seems like Ferrari engineers were able to create a very powerful new engine but apparently the new power unit is not as reliable as it should be if you really want to fight for the championship.

The important thing is to have a car.
Problems with this car were expected since the revolution, especially in Ferrari with a brand new engine too.

Still is a big upgrade from the last year.

[Velvet78]

Horrible day for Ferrari... Red Bull had the same engine problems at the beginning of the season but they figured it out later on. It looks like it is time for Ferrari to struggle with these problems. And the longer time they take to solve, the worse for them. Because Red Bull drivers continue to get very important points and this causes the gap between them to be opened very highly. Leclerc is doing his best to become the champion this season but the car is not letting him do so for now.

[AndySt]

Horrible day for Ferrari... Red Bull had the same engine problems at the beginning of the season but they figured it out later on. It looks like it is time for Ferrari to struggle with these problems. And the longer time they take to solve, the worse for them. Because Red Bull drivers continue to get very important points and this causes the gap between them to be opened very highly. Leclerc is doing his best to become the champion this season but the car is not letting him do so for now.

Oh, yes, the beginning of the season has raised great hopes in the hearts of Ferrari fans and the coveted Formula 1 winner's title seems to have already loomed, but problems with the car deprive them of all this. Leclerc said after the race that it hurt a lot and that they had to make sure it didn't happen again. The most important thing is that the same reliability problems also have the Ferrari client teams that use their engines and the Alfa Romeo racer and the Haas racer have also gone off the track. The departure of Carlos Sainz from the track may finally exclude the rider from contenders for the title. And because of the descent of Leclerc, now another Red Bull driver in the person of Sergio Perez has come out in second place in the championship.

[Koal-84]

Ferrari was actually winning in this fast track .

In the end, they got 0 points and now need hard work to get progress on these cars, they are having a lot of problems.

It looked good for Ferrari at the beginning and the early pit stop, but in the end they lost 2/3 of the power units, which is a bit embarrassing. At the beginning of the season it looked like the Ferrari was very reliable and the Red Bull was vulnerable, but now it looks like Ferrari will be the first team to get a power unit penalty.

The Mercedes is not very fast and the bouncing (at least with Hamilton) is crazy, but the cars are very very reliable, but for the title they are just too slow.

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[Cnut237]

Congratulations to Redbull. Now we can say they are champions. I wouldn't be surprised if Ferrari loses the team 2nd place to Mercedes. Leclerc is having bad luck. They couldn't solve this problem, it's a shame for Leclerc. It looks like Verstappen will easily win his second title at this rate. Ferrari stumbles on updates. They have fast vehicles but they are not durable. Speed doesn't always pay off. The price of mistakes is losing the championship.

Yes:
Ferrari have a fast car.
Mercedes have a reliable car.
Red Bull have a fast and reliable car.

It does look increasingly like Verstappen will win the title. Ferrari are losing points at an incredible rate. Merc are gaining point by at least finishing the races, but have zero chance of catching RB.
It must be difficult being Leclerc at the moment, or even Sainz who has certainly had his own share of bad luck.

[swogerino]

Ferrari was actually winning in this fast track .

In the end, they got 0 points and now need hard work to get progress on these cars, they are having a lot of problems.

It looked good for Ferrari at the beginning and the early pit stop, but in the end they lost 2/3 of the power units, which is a bit embarrassing. At the beginning of the season it looked like the Ferrari was very reliable and the Red Bull was vulnerable, but now it looks like Ferrari will be the first team to get a power unit penalty.

The Mercedes is not very fast and the bouncing (at least with Hamilton) is crazy, but the cars are very very reliable, but for the title they are just too slow.

For sure things do not look bright for Ferrari with a penalty on the horizon but they got a fast car apparently and we are heading at Canada a super fast track which I think will favor heavily the Redbulls and another win of Redbull at this track would tremendously impact in a negative way Leclerc and Ferrari as they will see themselves let's say 50 points behind in the driver Championship and much more in the Constructors Championship.I don't know how Ferrari can win the pole position in Canada unless the drivers at Redbull screw up by a really large amount.

This track is clearly against Ferrari without taking into consideration the problem with the power unit which can also be a problem in a super fast track like this one with a lot of straights.

[Koal-84]

For sure things do not look bright for Ferrari with a penalty on the horizon but they got a fast car apparently and we are heading at Canada a super fast track which I think will favor heavily the Redbulls and another win of Redbull at this track would tremendously impact in a negative way Leclerc and Ferrari as they will see themselves let's say 50 points behind in the driver Championship and much more in the Constructors Championship.I don't know how Ferrari can win the pole position in Canada unless the drivers at Redbull screw up by a really large amount.

This track is clearly against Ferrari without taking into consideration the problem with the power unit which can also be a problem in a super fast track like this one with a lot of straights.

Just wait and see, the fault at Ferrari must be found, 3 of the 4 drivetrain damages yesterday looked quite similar, at Sainz it sounded like a gearbox problem.

Ferrari should not be written off, in Silverstone they are supposed to get new power unit updates and the season is still long, at the moment RedBull has the fastest and most reliable car, but that was quite different at the beginning of the season, when Ferrari had that.

[tokeweed]

Ferrari was actually winning in this fast track .

In the end, they got 0 points and now need hard work to get progress on these cars, they are having a lot of problems.

It looked good for Ferrari at the beginning and the early pit stop, but in the end they lost 2/3 of the power units, which is a bit embarrassing. At the beginning of the season it looked like the Ferrari was very reliable and the Red Bull was vulnerable, but now it looks like Ferrari will be the first team to get a power unit penalty.

The Mercedes is not very fast and the bouncing (at least with Hamilton) is crazy, but the cars are very very reliable, but for the title they are just too slow.

Yup...  I hope to see a Ferrari come back tho, at least for Leclerc's sake.  He's a good guy and he deserves to win races.  But the  team has disappointed him again and again this season.  So yeah, it will be Canadian GP next.  Let's see what these guys can do.  

The books now have a Red Bull 1 and 2 with Verstappen at 1.85 and Perez at 3.80.  Leclerc is at 4.20.  I guess there's an engine change and a penalty expected for Leclerc?  I'd take him to win quali.  Odds not out yet tho.

[FanEagle]

Max failed to finish 2 races this year, and he still has 34 points lead. He had only one race in monaco where he didn't finish first, in which he was third, and aside from that he always finished first on all races he saw the flag.

I am guessing that Ferrari should reconsider their strategy, not that they have zero chance to win it this year, but they definitely do not look that great anymore neither. Even with a better car, which it was for a while, they still failed to win, and that shows so much for them. Hell RBR even had a terrible pitstop to give them a chance, and yet they still failed. I am sorry but if you can't win in these circumstances, then maybe it is not meant to be.

[Captain Corporate]

The sad thing is, its always something different. Like I get it, maybe it was the engine this time around, but last time it was the pitstop being wrong, and before that it was something else, its always a "mishap" that ferrari lives through and causes them to lose the race they should have won. I am sick and tired of watching this, glad that I like Max otherwise this would have been a terrible season. I would prefer Charles to win his first title, but I am fine with Max as well so its cool. But at least, make it a bit more competitive you know? I am fine with charles being second on all races and close races, but its not even liek that, its always something wrong on every race.