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[Davian144]

This week there will be another MotoGP race at the Sachsenring circuit in Germany where Marc Marquez has won 11 races there from 2010 to 2021 last year.
So for this year, who will win the race there, considering that there has been no confirmation from Honda specifically about Marc Marquez who will race there.
And if it's true that Marc Marquez will not race there this year, try to predict who has more potential to win the race there this weekend ?

[Koal-84]

This week there will be another MotoGP race at the Sachsenring circuit in Germany where Marc Marquez has won 11 races there from 2010 to 2021 last year.
So for this year, who will win the race there, considering that there has been no confirmation from Honda specifically about Marc Marquez who will race there.
And if it's true that Marc Marquez will not race there this year, try to predict who has more potential to win the race there this weekend ?

For me, the track layout at the Sachsenring is not a Honda layout but rather a row engine layout. The Sachsenring is Marc's favourite track (like Austin) and he feels very comfortable there. For me, this weekend Fabio is the favourite there, the layout speaks for Yamaha and Suzuki. But you should never underestimate Ducati, no matter where they race, like Fabio and Yamaha, but the other Yamaha riders won't have a chance of a podium, even if I would wish it for Morbidelli.

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Max failed to finish 2 races this year, and he still has 34 points lead. He had only one race in monaco where he didn't finish first, in which he was third, and aside from that he always finished first on all races he saw the flag.

I am guessing that Ferrari should reconsider their strategy, not that they have zero chance to win it this year, but they definitely do not look that great anymore neither. Even with a better car, which it was for a while, they still failed to win, and that shows so much for them. Hell RBR even had a terrible pitstop to give them a chance, and yet they still failed. I am sorry but if you can't win in these circumstances, then maybe it is not meant to be.

It's cos Leclerc hasn't finished a couple of races himself.  One in Spain and the other just happened at Azerbaijan...

And it looks like Leclerc might really have a power unit change and he could get at least a 10 grid penalty.  The books have gotten a lot sharper.  Leclerc to get pole at quali is at 1.65 and Verstappen to win the race is at 1.75.

No value in this market imho.  Will the winning margin be more than 10 seconds?  That one is at 2.35.

[Davidvictorson]

And if it's true that Marc Marquez will not race there this year, try to predict who has more potential to win the race there this weekend ?

Sadly he’ll miss Sachsenring. He won there 11 years in a row. Marc is now struggling with his condition on his arm. He will be out till 2023. The future is very unsure for Marc as his style relied on exceptional reflexes and shoulder strength more than almost anyone in motogp history. Aside Marc, Casey Stoner is my best bet to win the race this weekend. He is an exceptional rider. And also because Stoner probably edges Marc in terms of pure speed and raw talent. Fabio Quartararo is another great rider that's fun to watch. Let's see how it goes.

[FanEagle]

Max failed to finish 2 races this year, and he still has 34 points lead. He had only one race in monaco where he didn't finish first, in which he was third, and aside from that he always finished first on all races he saw the flag.

I am guessing that Ferrari should reconsider their strategy, not that they have zero chance to win it this year, but they definitely do not look that great anymore neither. Even with a better car, which it was for a while, they still failed to win, and that shows so much for them. Hell RBR even had a terrible pitstop to give them a chance, and yet they still failed. I am sorry but if you can't win in these circumstances, then maybe it is not meant to be.

It's cos Leclerc hasn't finished a couple of races himself.  One in Spain and the other just happened at Azerbaijan...

And it looks like Leclerc might really have a power unit change and he could get at least a 10 grid penalty.  The books have gotten a lot sharper.  Leclerc to get pole at quali is at 1.65 and Verstappen to win the race is at 1.75.

No value in this market imho.  Will the winning margin be more than 10 seconds?  That one is at 2.35.

Yeah but Max is 34 points ahead, even though he didn't finish two races, that's the difference. I mean Charles didn't either, but he is not leading with 34 points. So they finished same amount of races, and yet when Max races, aside from one monaco (which he still was ahead of charles) he won all of them. That is the difference, that is what I am talking about.

Imagine if charles still missing 2, and Max not missing any races, he would have gotten at least another 30 points or so from those races, probably more. Right now, dude is literally above one whole race ahead, he could DNF and charles could win and Max would still be first. That is the big difference.

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Ferrari is risking penalties after the past race, depending on which pieces they can recover or not.

Next Gp in 3 days in Canada.

[Davian144]

For me, the track layout at the Sachsenring is not a Honda layout but rather a row engine layout. The Sachsenring is Marc's favourite track (like Austin) and he feels very comfortable there. For me, this weekend Fabio is the favourite there, the layout speaks for Yamaha and Suzuki. But you should never underestimate Ducati, no matter where they race, like Fabio and Yamaha, but the other Yamaha riders won't have a chance of a podium, even if I would wish it for Morbidelli.

Thank you for giving your opinion, but on this occasion I will reveal a few very impressive facts where Marc Marquez, who has been able to win 11 races at the Sachsenring, was using a Honda motorcycle (except in 2010 and 2011 when he was still in Moto2) which at that time was already using the engine. the 90 degree V4 configuration is not an inline engine. And before Marc Marquez was in the MotoGP class, Dani Pedrosa who also came from the Repsol Honda team had won races there 4 times with Honda machines (2007, 2010, 2011, and 2012) as well as Valentino Rossi who was only able to win 4 times there and one of them was with a Honda engine (2002) the rest with a Yamaha 3 times and Max Biaggi with Sete Gibernau also won there 1 time with a Honda engine.

This means that the layout of the Sachsenring circuit has always been very friendly with Honda engines, because until now Honda is a manufacturer that has won a lot of races there since 2002. Although the German circuit does not have long straights like other circuits and also does not demand much power for each manufacturer so the potential for Ducati to utilize the power there is very small, although on the other hand Suzuki and Yamaha seem to be benefiting for now.

Sadly he’ll miss Sachsenring. He won there 11 years in a row. Marc is now struggling with his condition on his arm. He will be out till 2023. The future is very unsure for Marc as his style relied on exceptional reflexes and shoulder strength more than almost anyone in motogp history. Aside Marc, Casey Stoner is my best bet to win the race this weekend. He is an exceptional rider. And also because Stoner probably edges Marc in terms of pure speed and raw talent. Fabio Quartararo is another great rider that's fun to watch. Let's see how it goes.

Since when did Casey Stoner return to MotoGP again after retiring at the end of 2012
I haven't even seen Casey Stoner after the 2012 MotoGP season or since the 2013 season started, so I need to know the news on this and what manufacturer is he currently in?
Looks like you need the latest update on MotoGP for now so you don't make the wrong predictions for this week.

[leea-1334]

Max failed to finish 2 races this year, and he still has 34 points lead. He had only one race in monaco where he didn't finish first, in which he was third, and aside from that he always finished first on all races he saw the flag.

I am guessing that Ferrari should reconsider their strategy, not that they have zero chance to win it this year, but they definitely do not look that great anymore neither. Even with a better car, which it was for a while, they still failed to win, and that shows so much for them. Hell RBR even had a terrible pitstop to give them a chance, and yet they still failed. I am sorry but if you can't win in these circumstances, then maybe it is not meant to be.

It's cos Leclerc hasn't finished a couple of races himself.  One in Spain and the other just happened at Azerbaijan...

And it looks like Leclerc might really have a power unit change and he could get at least a 10 grid penalty.  The books have gotten a lot sharper.  Leclerc to get pole at quali is at 1.65 and Verstappen to win the race is at 1.75.

No value in this market imho.  Will the winning margin be more than 10 seconds?  That one is at 2.35.

I think a lot of people got fooled by Ferrari, and if I am not mistaken, last year also there was a lot of nostalgic sentimental news about Schumacher and then yeah, the promises, the talents, everything was supposed to combine well.

But the team/engineers just really let LeClerc down.

Not falling for winning margin +10 seconds. This is not Baku

[Juggy777]

Max failed to finish 2 races this year, and he still has 34 points lead. He had only one race in monaco where he didn't finish first, in which he was third, and aside from that he always finished first on all races he saw the flag.

I am guessing that Ferrari should reconsider their strategy, not that they have zero chance to win it this year, but they definitely do not look that great anymore neither. Even with a better car, which it was for a while, they still failed to win, and that shows so much for them. Hell RBR even had a terrible pitstop to give them a chance, and yet they still failed. I am sorry but if you can't win in these circumstances, then maybe it is not meant to be.

It's cos Leclerc hasn't finished a couple of races himself.  One in Spain and the other just happened at Azerbaijan...

And it looks like Leclerc might really have a power unit change and he could get at least a 10 grid penalty.  The books have gotten a lot sharper.  Leclerc to get pole at quali is at 1.65 and Verstappen to win the race is at 1.75.

No value in this market imho.  Will the winning margin be more than 10 seconds?  That one is at 2.35.

I think a lot of people got fooled by Ferrari, and if I am not mistaken, last year also there was a lot of nostalgic sentimental news about Schumacher and then yeah, the promises, the talents, everything was supposed to combine well.

But the team/engineers just really let LeClerc down.

Not falling for winning margin +10 seconds. This is not Baku

I guess I got fooled too by Ferrari hyping it to be their year, and when I saw their new car I was very confident that they would win the title, but at this stage it looks difficult. Also I feel that Ferrari needs to to do a deep introspection as to why they keep losing, and implement drastic changes to arrest this losing pattern.

[Davian144]

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[leea-1334]

I guess I got fooled too by Ferrari hyping it to be their year, and when I saw their new car I was very confident that they would win the title, but at this stage it looks difficult. Also I feel that Ferrari needs to to do a deep introspection as to why they keep losing, and implement drastic changes to arrest this losing pattern.

Exactly,,, but do not worry you are not the only one for sure. I do not really follow the sports but everyone who was alive in the past 20 years knows about Ferrari and just like in football,,, you always feel like the sleeping giant will one day wake up with a big sining.

But as football cautions us,,, not all talents are going to perform, if the backroom club does not also change their ways and win. This is perfectly the description of Ferrari right now.

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Mercedes the past week asked to FIA to reduce the problem of the porposing on all the cars, and at that time FIA said, it is only your problem.


Today FIA released an official statement and Mercedes will get a huge problem with it, some points of the statement are:

-Cars must need to be under a value (x) in the vertical jumps to be regular
-More controls at the bottom of the car.

Mercedes will get a huge problem since it is the car with more proposing.

They need to increase the high of the car from the ground to reduce it and in this way, they will lose a lot of time.

[alegotardo]

Mercedes the past week asked to FIA to reduce the problem of the porposing on all the cars, and at that time FIA said, it is only your problem.

Today FIA released an official statement and Mercedes will get a huge problem with it, some points of the statement are:

-Cars must need to be under a value (x) in the vertical jumps to be regular
-More controls at the bottom of the car.

Mercedes will get a huge problem since it is the car with more proposing.

They need to increase the high of the car from the ground to reduce it and in this way, they will lose a lot of time.

In fact something needs to be done, as it was worrying to see the difficulty Lewis Hamilton had to get out of his car due to the severe back pain generated by this problem.
Whether this is a problem exclusive to Mercedes, I don't know, this is what was most evident, but I think it's important that the FIA pays special attention to it.
The question now is how they will measure these vertical oscillations and define a safety limit.... because the circuits where the tests are carried out have much more impact than the construction of the cars.

[swogerino]

Mercedes the past week asked to FIA to reduce the problem of the porposing on all the cars, and at that time FIA said, it is only your problem.


Today FIA released an official statement and Mercedes will get a huge problem with it, some points of the statement are:

-Cars must need to be under a value (x) in the vertical jumps to be regular
-More controls at the bottom of the car.

Mercedes will get a huge problem since it is the car with more proposing.

They need to increase the high of the car from the ground to reduce it and in this way, they will lose a lot of time.

If this new statement/regulation will come into force right now meaning it should be solved before this Canadian grand prix weekend then it is a shame as this track is a really fast one where Mercedes could have got up even more points.
George Russell is in 4th place in overall standings but from what I see in F1 pages in social media they are all calling him "Mr.Consistency" as he is the driver to not have missed a single race and his worst place is 5th or 6th I don't remember now,so it would be a bad thing if this new regulation come into place right now.

[tokeweed]

Mercedes the past week asked to FIA to reduce the problem of the porposing on all the cars, and at that time FIA said, it is only your problem.

Today FIA released an official statement and Mercedes will get a huge problem with it, some points of the statement are:

-Cars must need to be under a value (x) in the vertical jumps to be regular
-More controls at the bottom of the car.

Mercedes will get a huge problem since it is the car with more proposing.

They need to increase the high of the car from the ground to reduce it and in this way, they will lose a lot of time.

In fact something needs to be done, as it was worrying to see the difficulty Lewis Hamilton had to get out of his car due to the severe back pain generated by this problem.
Whether this is a problem exclusive to Mercedes, I don't know, this is what was most evident, but I think it's important that the FIA pays special attention to it.
The question now is how they will measure these vertical oscillations and define a safety limit.... because the circuits where the tests are carried out have much more impact than the construction of the cars.

A lot of people were laughing and didn't take Hamilton seriously.  But if he really has been having a hard time driving the 2022 car, I don't think he'll last a season driving with a recurring back problem caused by all the bouncing.

Anyway I didn't think we're having a race weekend.  I thought it was gonna be another week off as Azerbaijan is far away from Canada.  Who do you guys got winning this?  And Cnut, what do you see in the betting market as far as safety cars go?  Share some info please...  

Schedule:

2022 F1 Canadian GP Schedule
Circuit Gilles Villeneuve

Free Practice 1:  17 June, 2022 - 19:00
Free Practice 2:  17 June, 2022 - 22:00
Free Practice 3:  18 June, 2022 - 18:00
Qualifying:  18 June, 2022 - 21:00
Race:  19 June, 2022 - 16:00

[wmaurik]

Thank you for giving your opinion, but on this occasion I will reveal a few very impressive facts where Marc Marquez, who has been able to win 11 races at the Sachsenring, was using a Honda motorcycle (except in 2010 and 2011 when he was still in Moto2) which at that time was already using the engine. the 90 degree V4 configuration is not an inline engine. And before Marc Marquez was in the MotoGP class, Dani Pedrosa who also came from the Repsol Honda team had won races there 4 times with Honda machines (2007, 2010, 2011, and 2012) as well as Valentino Rossi who was only able to win 4 times there and one of them was with a Honda engine (2002) the rest with a Yamaha 3 times and Max Biaggi with Sete Gibernau also won there 1 time with a Honda engine.

You understand and know about the history of MotoGP, especially for the German Sachsenring circuit, but unfortunately you didn't make any predictions in this regard so I don't know which rider you will predict to win at the German Sachsenring this week before the race starts. I would like to know which factory rider you will rely on this week because I don't think Honda would have won without Marc at the German Sachsenring.

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1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m15.158s
2   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m15.404s
3   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m15.531s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m15.619s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m15.666s
6   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m15.822s
7   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m15.877s
8   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m15.877s
9   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m16.041s
10   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m16.083s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m16.165s
12   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m16.211s
13   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m16.308s
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m16.322s
15   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m16.421s
16   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m16.426s
17   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m17.152s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m17.223s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m17.241s
20   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m17.555s

The first hour has been completed and Leclerc is going slow.
The rumor is he is not pushing because he will not try the pole position and he is optimizing the race because he will take a penalty to get more free parts for the car during the season.

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1005664/1/f1-2022-canadian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1

[wiss19]

A lot of people were laughing and didn't take Hamilton seriously.  But if he really has been having a hard time driving the 2022 car, I don't think he'll last a season driving with a recurring back problem caused by all the bouncing.

Anyway I didn't think we're having a race weekend.  I thought it was gonna be another week off as Azerbaijan is far away from Canada.  Who do you guys got winning this?  And Cnut, what do you see in the betting market as far as safety cars go?  Share some info please...  

It is all about the joke of my tires are gone. I mean we all know that it is a code word of course, but we all remember him saying "my tires are gone" and doing a fastest lap. Of course his tires weren't gone, that means something else, god knows what, but it was funny nevertheless. In the end, he had codes for complaining that meant something else, and that made him sound like a racer who constantly complained, when in fact he was saying something else.

This time around, his car was ACTUALLY bouncing, which made his back horrible I assume, don't know what type of permanent stuff could happen if he keeps this up for a whole season, but I bet it is not looking good for another year if the car stays like this until the end, he needs the bouncing to be gone, otherwise a whole season and then next season would be terrible for him.

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A lot of people were laughing and didn't take Hamilton seriously.  But if he really has been having a hard time driving the 2022 car, I don't think he'll last a season driving with a recurring back problem caused by all the bouncing.

Anyway I didn't think we're having a race weekend.  I thought it was gonna be another week off as Azerbaijan is far away from Canada.  Who do you guys got winning this?  And Cnut, what do you see in the betting market as far as safety cars go?  Share some info please...  

Mercedes is fixing it and soon we will have a new limitation from FIA, so all the teams will change their setting.

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Nevertheless, there was quite a bit of spectacle at Mercedes at the last race. Even though they didn't compete for the title. Hamilton had problems with his back when getting out. It now appears that Mercedes wants the race rules to be adjusted. In a way I can understand that, because at the moment Mercedes can't even dream of the world title. Red Bull seems to be going to become World Champion with Verstappen, but with the constructors' title it could still fall towards Ferrari because I can still see Sainz taking points. Red Bull has a great second driver in Perez.