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Session 2 done

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m14.127s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m14.208s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m14.352s
4   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m14.442s
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m14.543s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m14.879s
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m14.971s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m14.987s
9   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m15.033s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m15.119s
11   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m15.167s
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m15.396s
13   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m15.421s
14   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m15.499s
15   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m15.516s
16   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m15.526s
17   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m15.567s
18   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m16.171s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m16.509s
20   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   No time set

Still not clear if Ferrari will take a penalty for changing the engine.

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1005704/1/f1-2022-canadian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2

[Davian144]

You understand and know about the history of MotoGP, especially for the German Sachsenring circuit, but unfortunately you didn't make any predictions in this regard so I don't know which rider you will predict to win at the German Sachsenring this week before the race starts. I would like to know which factory rider you will rely on this week because I don't think Honda would have won without Marc at the German Sachsenring.

Sorry for this because I was too excited in presenting past data that had happened at the German circuit so I forgot to make predictions for this week's race which will take place in Germany. If you look at the two FPs that took place yesterday on Friday (FP1 & FP2), then I will predict Francesco Bagnaia as the winner because he was very consistent in the two FPs, which even in FP2 Francesco Bagnaia was able to break Marc Marquez's lap record with a time of 1 minute 20,018 seconds where this record has been able to outperform Marc Marquez's record time of 1 minute 20,195 seconds.

So I will hold Francesco Bagnaia as the winner in this week's race if he doesn't crash in the race or have an unexpected incident like in Catalunya two weeks ago. Although on the other hand I as a Yamaha fan see Fabio Quartararo may struggle to get as many points as possible in this week's race which will even struggle to win, but it will look a little difficult for Fabio Quartararo.

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Session 2 done

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m14.127s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m14.208s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m14.352s
4   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m14.442s
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m14.543s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m14.879s
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m14.971s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m14.987s
9   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m15.033s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m15.119s
11   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m15.167s
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m15.396s
13   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m15.421s
14   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m15.499s
15   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m15.516s
16   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m15.526s
17   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m15.567s
18   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m16.171s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m16.509s
20   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   No time set

Still not clear if Ferrari will take a penalty for changing the engine.

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1005704/1/f1-2022-canadian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2

I didn't watch FP1 and FP2 but what's wrong with Leclerc right now?  Is he having confidence issues?  What are Brundle and co. saying?  Sometimes it's hard to get some insights with these things...  But I took my shot at Leclerc at 3.45 to get pole at quali tho.  At that line it's just hard not to make a small bet.  I think FP3 might be a bit better for him and we see the books adjust the line to 2.25 or something.    At least that's what I'm hoping would happen.  Lol.

And Vettel looking good at fourth. 

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Leclerc is taking 10 positions of penalty for changing the electrical engine.

They are thinking of taking 20 positions instead and getting a free engine for the rest of the season.

[emrecemsan]

Leclerc is taking 10 positions of penalty for changing the electrical engine.

They are thinking of taking 20 positions instead and getting a free engine for the rest of the season.

They will really run the risk of causing the point gap between Leclerc and Verstappen to get bigger huh. But this is still a good choice for Ferrari because they desperately need to make the engine work without a problem from now on. Otherwise it will cost them too much in this season. We are still not even in the middle of this season so this wouldn't be a huge loss for Leclerc and Ferrari. As long as Ferrari have an engine working smoothly, Leclerc can still catch up with the leader in time.

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Leclerc is taking 10 positions of penalty for changing the electrical engine.

They are thinking of taking 20 positions instead and getting a free engine for the rest of the season.

Yeah it sucks for him...

And it's a very wet track rn going into FP3 which starts in a couple of minutes or so...  Was FP1 and FP2 also wet?  It didn't really look wet from what I've seen what they were showing.  And I kinda like Hamilton now that he's struggling.  Go Hamilton!  I kinda feel sorry for him.  He wants to perform well but he just doesn't have the car to do it.

Edit:  Judging from the times of FP1 and FP2, no it wasn't.

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Yeah it sucks for him...

And it's a very wet track rn going into FP3 which starts in a couple of minutes or so...  Was FP1 and FP2 also wet?  It didn't really look wet from what I've seen what they were showing.  And I kinda like Hamilton now that he's struggling.  Go Hamilton!  I kinda feel sorry for him.  He wants to perform well but he just doesn't have the car to do it.

Edit:  Judging from the times of FP1 and FP2, no it wasn't.

No only fp3 was wet.
Qualify should be wet too but without rain, it will start in 30 minutes

[FanEagle]

Charles will be starting at the back of the grid this race because they are replacing basically everything in the engine. Let's see if they will help, the idea wasn't to get "better" stuff but more like new stuff so there wouldn't be any reliability issues next race.

Considering how over half of all Ferrari engines failed last race, there is a good case to be made about their engine being able to take only this much, it's bad that they had to do this early and will probably need to do it again in the season anyway, but good that they will be much better for the next race at least. Let's see if he can do anything from 20th, if not then the one after that should be pretty great.

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The season started so well for Ferrari but now it seems that new setbacks are coming every time. I think Max is still better than Charles, but Charles does have the potential to become world champion one day. Red Bull seems to have things in order so far. Ferrari has had a lot of retirements, those are valuable points. I'm curious how it will go tomorrow, Ferrari will want to win again and the question is what Mercedes might still be able to do? Surely that season can't go out like a candle for Mercedes while we're not even halfway there yet?

[Pulsar77]

Having a wet track caused the qualifying session to be very interesting and enjoyable to follow at the same time. Perez and Leclerc are the biggest surprises so far as they both have been eliminated at the end of Q2 now. Leclerc is already going to take a 10-place grid penalty maybe but he would have still fought for the best position he can. He will start from the last position as a result and I wonder what he will do. It can be a magical race for him if he doesn't have any serious problem.

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Charles will be starting at the back of the grid this race because they are replacing basically everything in the engine. Let's see if they will help, the idea wasn't to get "better" stuff but more like new stuff so there wouldn't be any reliability issues next race.

Considering how over half of all Ferrari engines failed last race, there is a good case to be made about their engine being able to take only this much, it's bad that they had to do this early and will probably need to do it again in the season anyway, but good that they will be much better for the next race at least. Let's see if he can do anything from 20th, if not then the one after that should be pretty great.

Not true, they needed to change only the turbo.
They choose to change everything so in this way, they will have an extra engine until the season with no penalties.

They took the double penalty and got 1 free engine, 1 free battery, 1 free electrical engine, etc, they changed everything so they have more items.

Redbull is still under the limit but if they will go near the limit they will do the same thing.

[Velvet78]

It must be really disappointing for Leclerc to start the race from the last place in the grid. But Ferrari had no other choice about this because they want to give a smooth car to Leclerc for the rest of the season. He must be aware of this also of course. Besides, the qualifying was really delightful in my opinion. We saw some different drivers making big surprises as well. For example, Alonso made an incredible job as he finished this session at the second position. Rain helped him a lot too but he was very quick on dry track also though. I can't wait to watch the race now!

[Jackl87]

Leclerc is taking 10 positions of penalty for changing the electrical engine.
They are thinking of taking 20 positions instead and getting a free engine for the rest of the season.

Seems to be a good decision to do that to be honest. I mean even if he starts from the last position he can still easily finish the race in the 5th place or so if everything goes as planned because all the other cars, including the mercedes, are just significantly slower then Ferrari and Red Bull. I don't think that it would be a big difference if he starts from the 10th or 20th position because he has no chance to attack the Red Bulls under both circumstances.
To the qualifying: It was pretty interesting to watch because of the wet conditions. I am happy for Alonso that he could show his class once again and i am a little sad for Mick Schumacher too, because he was so quick but he was unlucky with his last try where he messed up the first sector. I think position 3 or 4 would have been possible for Mick today.

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Yeah it sucks for him...

And it's a very wet track rn going into FP3 which starts in a couple of minutes or so...  Was FP1 and FP2 also wet?  It didn't really look wet from what I've seen what they were showing.  And I kinda like Hamilton now that he's struggling.  Go Hamilton!  I kinda feel sorry for him.  He wants to perform well but he just doesn't have the car to do it.

Edit:  Judging from the times of FP1 and FP2, no it wasn't.

No only fp3 was wet.
Qualify should be wet too but without rain, it will start in 30 minutes

Yeah I watched a bit of qualifying while watching the UFC.  When I saw the red flag and seeing that Charles Leclerc not having a chance to win me a bet I just turned it off.  But yeah if the UFC wasn't I would've continued watching.

Anyway from a betting perspective what do you guys think of Mercedes both cars to be within the top 10 by the end of the race for points finish?  'No' is lined at 2.70.  I feel like Hamilton drops some spots and would be finishing 11th or 12th...  Dunno.  Cnut?  What do you think?

And what about Leclerc finishing top 3 at 3.25?  I feel like he can do it.

[el kaka22]

Honestly Alonso at upfront when starting will become one of the funniest things I have ever seen in a long time. I hope that Max gets out fast and doesn't lose position, because after that Alonso will "defend" max better than perez, that dude is a master at defending and not losing a position, doesn't matter why and who and if points or not, all he cares about is not getting past. Remember what he did to Hamilton last year in Hungary?

Hamilton had one of the best cars in history, nobody came close to him, and Alonso kept him for soooo long. That is what Alonso will try against everyone, which I assume will work only for a while and eventually people will pass him, but if Max goes off right away, he can have a 20+ second free pit stop type of advantage after a while.

[swogerino]

Honestly Alonso at upfront when starting will become one of the funniest things I have ever seen in a long time. I hope that Max gets out fast and doesn't lose position, because after that Alonso will "defend" max better than perez, that dude is a master at defending and not losing a position, doesn't matter why and who and if points or not, all he cares about is not getting past. Remember what he did to Hamilton last year in Hungary?

Hamilton had one of the best cars in history, nobody came close to him, and Alonso kept him for soooo long. That is what Alonso will try against everyone, which I assume will work only for a while and eventually people will pass him, but if Max goes off right away, he can have a 20+ second free pit stop type of advantage after a while.

That is pure dreaming.Even if Alonso gets past Max the Redbull power is much bigger than that of Alpine so Max should stay calm even if he loses the position in the start of the race,he should be very careful to not lose this race because of the first turn,he should do the best to avoid any crashing and if he does so the track then permits for him to easily take back the position from Alonso.I know that Alonso is a two times world Champion but in this track that does not mean anything,because you cannot just defend with a slower car in big straights like this track has against a much quicker car like Redbull.

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Race in around 5 minutes!  And remember guys...  Always head on Formula Dan for the lulz.

https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/new/

It's important that you go to the new tab for the latest memes during the race.  Those guys are fast in making them and putting them up.

 el kaka22, here you go.  Courtesy of Formula Dank.  Lol.

[Koal-84]

Again a strong performance by Fabio, for Bagnaia it was probably a small preliminary decision regarding the world championship, so it will be more of a world championship battle between Fabio and Aleix. I did not expect this season in any case, so it will be with a Ducati title again nothing after the strong last season.

[MonsterV]

Vertstappen has won the F1 can Montreal. Everyone thought beforehand that it would be an easy race, and that he would quickly get away from the rest. However, it was very different because of a different strategy. A safety car and a virtual safety car on the track, that changes everything. The difference was minimal, but if I have understood correctly, Verstappen has already won 6 races in a row. Then you are also world champion worthy of driving. Leclerc had to start from 19th place so there was no competition today.

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^  Yup.  It was a mostly a boring race and got a little interesting the last 10 - 12 laps with Sainz getting close.  But in the end it was nothing.  It would've been more interesting if Leclerc was behind Verstappen.  He could've pushed Verstappen more imho.

Here's the race results.  Too easy for Verstappen.

2022 F1 Canadian GP Race Results

1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   70 laps
2   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   +0.993s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   +7.006s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   +12.313s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   +15.168s
6   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   +23.890s
7   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   +24.945s
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   +25.247s
9   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   +26.952s
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   +38.222s
11   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   +43.047s
12   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   +44.245s
13   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   +44.893s
14   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   +45.183s
15   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   +52.145s
16   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   +59.978s
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   +68.180s
DNF   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    49 laps
DNF   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   20 laps
DNF   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   7 laps

Anyway guys, vote for your driver of the day.  Do your part!