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[MonsterV]

Hamilton doesn't stand a chance of winning a stage in the normal way. And I mean we don't see any dropouts. If we don't see any dropouts, then someone from Red Bull or Ferrari will just win the race. But, we've seen crazy things happen. I don't think Hamilton will be very happy all of a sudden if he wins another race. Hamilton wants to compete for the championship every year, and this year he doesn't even make the podium. It is difficult to estimate what the target is for Mercedes this year. It is best for them to focus on the coming season. this season is lost.

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[el kaka22]

Silverstone will definitely be a high point of the season. It's a very prestigious track and winning here means a lot for every driver. I think Williams is doing something special, I am not sure what they are doing but they said that they are coming with basically a brand new version of their car, which means that there is a chance they could be a lot faster. They say that it's close to 1 second faster on qualy pace, and that is of course amazing for the regular race as well.

Qualy is a bit different since you usually race with fresh tires for a lap or two, and race would see you on tires that would run down. But I think they could actually have a hope to get points. I am considering to bet "williams to get points" if I can find that anywhere.

[DireWolfM14]

That bend 5 makes him desperate, I don't know how he feels when crashing in the same place. Quartararo uses a different strategy for this time, maybe he wants to improve but it's not perfect until he can't overtake Espargaro and fail. But he is still on top with 172 points, in the 2nd is Espargaro with 151 points (for 4th position)

He looked like he wanted to overtake Espargaro immediately. Maybe he realized if he was far enough behind he'd be in more trouble. But it seems their impatience made him careless. He should have been more experienced and more patient. Not getting points is very detrimental. The point difference is getting closer. When I fell the second I was actually surprised, because the place is the same. I don't know why it repeats itself, It seems he was too tilted and the tire grip was lost. The next series at Silverstone in August looks like we have a 2 week gap.

I still don't know why Quartararo got the penalty?. is will it affect the Silverstone?. this is the race where the racer is ahead of each other, when we look Espargaro didn't crash, and still continues to race. Maybe Quartararo's bike still has the same problem of tire or something else because he crashes in the same spot (bend 5), which I think still has time (2 weeks) for investigation.

Wait, what?  A penalty?  I'm only now getting around to watching the race, I should have stayed away from this thread until I finished.  I just saw Quartararo's second fall.  Second fall!  That was painful to watch.  What the hell was he doing out there anyway?  It was obvious he wasn't getting back in the race, probably still shaken from that first fall and his insistence to stay out there was only putting himself in danger.

I'm off to read about the penalty.

ETA:
The penalty was for being too aggressive when attempting to pass Aleix Espargaró, and he'll have to take a long lap at Silverstone this weekend.

[swogerino]

Silverstone will definitely be a high point of the season. It's a very prestigious track and winning here means a lot for every driver. I think Williams is doing something special, I am not sure what they are doing but they said that they are coming with basically a brand new version of their car, which means that there is a chance they could be a lot faster. They say that it's close to 1 second faster on qualy pace, and that is of course amazing for the regular race as well.

Qualy is a bit different since you usually race with fresh tires for a lap or two, and race would see you on tires that would run down. But I think they could actually have a hope to get points. I am considering to bet "williams to get points" if I can find that anywhere.

If they are one second faster for real then it would be very nice to see them through the race and I think if they manage to get a consistent of 1 second faster every lap compared to their old car then it is a sure thing that they will end up in the points.They ended up a few times already during this year if I am not mistaken because I see they have points in the constructor Championship.It would be nice to see Williams improve after so many years of them failing miserably to be where they belong,to the top fight.

As for that bet you ask I didn't find any offering from betting companies as of yet.

[bestcoins1]

Image: crashnet_motogp

The only MotoGP rider who always finishes in the points zone is Aleix Espargaro of the Aprilia factory, meaning he has never crashed in the first half of the season except for two incidents he didn't expect such as in Catalunya and Assen. If only Aleix Espargaro could manage to finish second in the Catalunya race (without a blunder incident) and be able to win at Assen (without a collision incident), then the number of points would be the same as Fabio.

[Fakhrulenclix]

The only MotoGP rider who always finishes in the points zone is Aleix Espargaro of the Aprilia factory, meaning he has never crashed in the first half of the season except for two incidents he didn't expect such as in Catalunya and Assen. If only Aleix Espargaro could manage to finish second in the Catalunya race (without a blunder incident) and be able to win at Assen (without a collision incident), then the number of points would be the same as Fabio.

Aleix Espargaro is the only driver who has been most consistent in this half of the season, and the events in Assen and Catalunya are things that I think are very unfortunate but other than that the possibility of Aleix Espargaro becoming world champion is very big this time, the Aprilia Bike is also very supportive, the factory team Italy is very developed this season.

[Koal-84]

Now it is official (even after the official cancellation of MotoGP not to race at the Kymiring 2022) the owners of the Kymiring are insolvent. So there will be also no Formula 1 race at the Kymiring in the future. When the MotoGP was cancelled, it already appeared that the owner was insolvent, nothing had been built for a long time and it was impossible to complete the project by the time of the MotoGP.

It's actually a shame, but the operators have overstretched themselves enormously or the money has simply seeped away.

https://www.speedweek.com/motogp/news/194562/KymiRing-Die-Besitzer-sind-jetzt-zahlungsunfaehig.html
https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/194594/KymiRing-Traum-vom-Formel-1-GP-ist-geplatzt.html

[Cnut237]

The major topic has been the racist language Nelson Piquet and Juri Vips that have used toward Lewis Hamilton,all the teams immediately stood by Lewis being 100% right and also Juri Vips is terminated from continuing to be a Redbull test driver just because this incident.

Maybe all the teams, but not all the drivers. Entirely unsurprisingly, Max Verstappen has come out on the side of Nelson Piquet. Who'd have thought that would happen?  
Apparently it was all taken out of context, Piquet is great, not a racist at all, he just used a wrong word. Poor, misunderstood Piquet.  

"I’ve spent a bit of time with Nelson, I think more than the average person in general, and he’s definitely not a racist. He’s actually a really nice and relaxed guy, and I’m pretty sure that also the statement he released, I think you can see the word in two ways. But I think it’s still better not to use it."

Not that Piquet has any history of this sort of stuff at all... the stuff back in the 80s about complaining Mansell's wife is ugly, and Senna is gay, etc.
But on the other hand, you can see why he gets on so well with the Verstappen family... Max's prospective father-in-law may be a racist bigot, but Kelly Piquet's prospective father-in-law was arrested for attempted murder. I don't know what a family dinner would look like... probably a load of pointy white hats.

[lulumiya]

We have left the first practice session behind by the way but the half of the drivers didn't even have any time recorded. The first three drivers were like Bottas-Hamilton-Sainz. We can't have a clear opinion from a session like this of course. It is expected to rain tomorrow also and I started to think whether Hamilton who is the master of rainy weathers would be able to do something unexpected in qualifying. But I still don't think that the car would let him do that.

[coinlocket$]

Was raining today, not so many cars was in the track in the 1st hour.

these the results.

1   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m42.249s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m42.781s
3   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m42.967s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m43.801s
5   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m43.895s
6   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m46.171s
7   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m48.161s
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m51.243s
9   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m51.373s
10   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m59.168s
11   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   No Time Set
12   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   No Time Set
13   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   No Time Set
14   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   No Time Set
15   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   No Time Set
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   No Time Set
17   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   No Time Set
18   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   No Time Set
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   No Time Set
20   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   No Time Set

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1006925/1/f1-2022-british-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1

[swogerino]

It is nice to see an Alfa Romeo on top of the standings no matter the circumstances,this first free practice session doesn't show us anything to see before placing our bets because most drivers didn't even bother to try at least a lap in the rain.Hopefully this will change in the second and third free practice so we can have some information,especially I am waiting to see Redbull if that promised massive upgrade is working or not but none of the Redbull drivers did a lap out in this first section so hopefully they will do in the upcoming one.

[tokeweed]

^  Yeah but it doesn't really mean anything considering the track conditions.  I had FP1 on but didn't really watch it.  I just couldn't get my eyes off the market.  Lolol.  I feel like an 8k red candle down is gonna happen anytime now causing mass panic.  I don't think there's real panic happening yet.

Anyway here are the results for FP2.  Better track conditions this time.

2022 F1 Brititsh GP FP2 Results

1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m28.942s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m29.105s
3   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m29.118s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m29.149s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m29.404s
6   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m29.695s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m29.753s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m29.799s
9   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m29.902s
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m29.942s
11   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m30.000s
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m30.238s
13   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m30.263s
14   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m30.271s
15   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m30.335s
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m30.338s
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m30.480s
18   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m30.510s
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m30.609s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m31.326s

[coinlocket$]

RBR was down on power in "safety mode".

The track should be not so bad for overtaking with this new car, as often happens Mercedes is close to the top on Friday.

They are gaining performance.

[Cnut237]

RBR was down on power in "safety mode".

The track should be not so bad for overtaking with this new car, as often happens Mercedes is close to the top on Friday.

They are gaining performance.

It may flatter Merc a bit, as it's a very smooth track, so will alleviate the bouncing and mean they can run lower, closer to their optimal window... and the track also lacks the slow corners that have been a problem for them. But having said that, they may have made a step forward, yes.

And yes, RB remain the favourites and the ones to beat. Max will take some stopping. Leclerc needs a run of victories to get any chance back.

[judas]

After some changes in the rules Mercedes also have found an opportunity to improve their car more. It seems like they have started to make progress already but I still don't want to be prejudiced by just looking at the FP2 results. We are going to find out the real deal tomorrow in qualifying session. Silverstone is a meaningful track for Hamilton and Russell both but it is more special for Hamilton of course. He would like to finish the race in top 3 at worst but it would still be difficult for him even if the car becomes better in this race.

[swogerino]

RBR was down on power in "safety mode".

The track should be not so bad for overtaking with this new car, as often happens Mercedes is close to the top on Friday.

They are gaining performance.

I also think that Redbull just didn't give it their best performance,they usually didn't care in the last couple of races in the free practice session but they have been consistent in winning all the six last races.I don't know if Mercedes are gaining performance as they were in the same performance as in Canada but tomorrow the official qualifying session will show us the true performance of the cars.Most likely with Sainz showing the potential of Ferrari it will be one of the Ferraris on pole,maybe Redbull will show their true performance in qualifying but I doubt they will gain what it takes to be on pole.

[coinlocket$]

According to Google, there is a good chance to have a wet race.



Source: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=meteo+silverstone


I think this is the last call for Ferrari.

[Velvet78]

First the weather conditions seemed bad for Saturday only but now it is the same for Sunday too. If this comes true then this race week can be really interesting.    Hamilton has been really good when it has rained so far. Maybe we can see him doing more than being on the podium. But for now if I'm to talk realistically, a Ferrari or Red Bull driver would win this race. Sainz seems good for now but I don't expect him to get past Leclerc tomorrow. We can see a good fight between Verstappen and Leclerc for the win.

[bestcoins1]

Aleix Espargaro is the only driver who has been most consistent in this half of the season, and the events in Assen and Catalunya are things that I think are very unfortunate but other than that the possibility of Aleix Espargaro becoming world champion is very big this time, the Aprilia Bike is also very supportive, the factory team Italy is very developed this season.

Aprilia manufacturers also take advantage of the privileges they get in MotoGP to develop the tools they need and also the engines to be competitive, so the results are starting to show now that Aprilia is already a World Title challenger in MotoGP and that's what Aprilia wants. And that is clearly not wanted by other riders like Fabio because he is also trying to defend his title this season.

[swogerino]

First the weather conditions seemed bad for Saturday only but now it is the same for Sunday too. If this comes true then this race week can be really interesting.    Hamilton has been really good when it has rained so far. Maybe we can see him doing more than being on the podium. But for now if I'm to talk realistically, a Ferrari or Red Bull driver would win this race. Sainz seems good for now but I don't expect him to get past Leclerc tomorrow. We can see a good fight between Verstappen and Leclerc for the win.

I would not underestimate Sainz,I think he has had enough of being shadowed in almost every race by Leclerc except the last one where he in some moments even thought of fighting for victory.I think that has boosted his morale and  seeing him at the top spot today I would not be surprised.

In this track I would say that if Redbull showed their true performance yesterday (which I highly doubt) it means Ferrari should be easily on pole,but we have a question to answer in the official qualifying and that is,what is the true pace of the Redbull team,if they will really have that massive upgrade working I think then it is game over for the whole F1 season as most probably Max will dominate it.