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[CLS63]

Verstappen has apparently broken all records that can be broken. Particularly handsome, if you look at how long he has only been driving in F1 now. I don't think there is a greater talent than him out there right now. Drivers like Leclerc are also extremely talented, but they don't come close to Verstappen. And that goes for everything else too. I think next year we will have a pretty boring championship like this again, if I have heard correctly Verstappen has won the race no less than 13 times this season. That's unimaginable, and we're not even at the end yet. I don't think this record will be equaled for the time being, or it must be that Verstappen will be able to personally drive that record out of the books next year. It's a shame we don't have Schumacher in F1 anymore, I would have liked to see how the battle would be with him and Verstappen.

Actually Verstappen hasn't broken all of them yet. 

The most important record is still waiting for being broken by him in the future. I mean the total championship count. Hamilton and Schumacher are sharing the record by 7 titles for now. And Hamilton still has a chance to improve the record until retiring as well. Verstappen is still a very young driver and I believe we will watch him in F1 for a very long time period. I don't think he will be a driver like Raikkonen for example. He actually seemed to be like that after his statement about being ambitious for titles first. But his current performance shows clearly that he would go for breaking the record I mentioned as well.

Considering the years ahead of him it isn't too difficult for him to do it.

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[yudi09]

Valencia will be the last race of the season and Ricardo Tormo will be the circuit to determine the MotoGP world champion between Francesco Bagnaia and Fabio Quartararo.
The difference in points between Bagnaia and Quartararo is 23 points. This means that Bagnaia cannot fail to finish. If Francesco Bagnaia who will start from number 8 falls and Fabio Quartararo who starts from number 4 succeeds on the 1st podium, then Bagnaia's hopes for world champions fail.

Can Francesco (Pecco) Bagnaia bring success to Ducati?

#TheDecider

[Juggy777]

Verstappen has apparently broken all records that can be broken. Particularly handsome, if you look at how long he has only been driving in F1 now. I don't think there is a greater talent than him out there right now. Drivers like Leclerc are also extremely talented, but they don't come close to Verstappen. And that goes for everything else too. I think next year we will have a pretty boring championship like this again, if I have heard correctly Verstappen has won the race no less than 13 times this season. That's unimaginable, and we're not even at the end yet. I don't think this record will be equaled for the time being, or it must be that Verstappen will be able to personally drive that record out of the books next year. It's a shame we don't have Schumacher in F1 anymore, I would have liked to see how the battle would be with him and Verstappen.

Actually Verstappen hasn't broken all of them yet. 

The most important record is still waiting for being broken by him in the future. I mean the total championship count. Hamilton and Schumacher are sharing the record by 7 titles for now. And Hamilton still has a chance to improve the record until retiring as well. Verstappen is still a very young driver and I believe we will watch him in F1 for a very long time period. I don't think he will be a driver like Raikkonen for example. He actually seemed to be like that after his statement about being ambitious for titles first. But his current performance shows clearly that he would go for breaking the record I mentioned as well.

Considering the years ahead of him it isn't too difficult for him to do it.

@CLS63 you’re absolutely correct and Hamilton could have broken that record, but the officials stole his victory in the final race in a controversial fashion and sadly there’s nothing that can be done about it now. Furthermore I believe that Max will not only break that record, but he’ll create a new record which won’t be broken for a very long time.

[Bitinity]

Bagnaia just need not crash or have one of his Ducati friends win the race.

If he fails, he will fail maybe the only shot he got in his live.

What he needs to do is just to race safely and finish on top 14 which should not be a hard task to do for him. He should not relying on Fabio to not win the race but he should grab the championship himself by doing his best in the last race to prove that he is a real champion. Pressure is on Fabio's side as he needs to win the race + hoping Pecco to finish out of top 14. Well, even though the chance for Fabio is so small but we do not know what will happen in the last race.

[Koal-84]

Bagnaia very aggressive although he has so much to lose, madness. Fabio has to give it his all but Bagnaia will say he took the title home, very exciting but the chances of Fabio winning are not really there at the moment.

[swogerino]

Bagnaia very aggressive although he has so much to lose, madness. Fabio has to give it his all but Bagnaia will say he took the title home, very exciting but the chances of Fabio winning are not really there at the moment.

Bagnaia is just managing the race now that they are already more than half away and as they stand he will be World Champion,even if Fabio goes first it does not get 14 points more but chances are really low for him to go first.It is ending like it should and Bagnaia would be really really stupid if he would force his way trying to overtake the other riders,it can cost him the title and these last minutes of the race are critical and Bagnaia should not lose his calm.The one forced to overtake everyone ahead is Fabio but most probably he is hoping in a crash of Bagnaia rather than go all in.I think no surprises till the end of the race and Bagnaia will be Champion.

[budi691]

finally Feco bagnaia became the 2022 MotoGP world champion even though finishing in 9th position was enough to ensure a world title for him,
feco play it safe is not trying to catch F Quantararo because he doesn't want to fail in the last race to make sure this year's MotoGP world title doesn't fail,
once again congratulations to Feco Bagnaia and ending the Italian rider's fast, after valentino Rosi in 2009

[bestcoins1]

Congratulations to Francesco Bagnaia who has succeeded in becoming the MotoGP world champion this season (2022) with the factory Ducati. And congratulations also to the Ducati manufacturer who this season has managed to win three titles at once (Team World Champion, Constructors World Champion and Rider World Champion).

Because considering that Ducati has also not won the world championship through their riders after the first time in 2007 together with Casey Stoner from Australia. Likewise with the riders from Italy where it has been a long time since Valentino Rossi was last world champion in MotoGP and now Francesco Bagnaia has brought the fragrance back to Italy together with the Italian factory bike.

[RealMalatesta]

@CLS63 you’re absolutely correct and Hamilton could have broken that record, but the officials stole his victory in the final race in a controversial fashion and sadly there’s nothing that can be done about it now. Furthermore I believe that Max will not only break that record, but he’ll create a new record which won’t be broken for a very long time.

I still do not think that it was a "steal", it could have gone either way, just because of "one lap" that decided it and there may or may not be a wrong decision there, doesn't mean stealing. Stealing is something much bigger, Max went in the last race with literally the same points, Max kept up within 10 seconds or so if I am not wrong, say 20 seconds at worst, and even another regular crash with all right decisions, Max could have won it as well.

Having the title decided on the very last lap means Max deserved it as much as Hamilton. Of course Hamilton deserved it too, nobody can deny that, but that doesn't make Max not deserving neither. It was equally theirs, and I would literally see them share a title to be fair, and would be the first one but totally makes sense to give them bot the title looking at last year.

[Pulsar77]

While there are only two races left I see only one competition which is worth following in the remaining time of the season. It is between Perez and Leclerc for the second spot in the driver standings. After a solid race by Perez and Ferrari's struggles in the last race, Perez has got ahead of Leclerc by 5 points again. This rivalry is still fired up a lot and everything can change by every race remaining.

Ferrari should work out their problem in the last race and be ready for the Brazil GP. I know that they are already focused on next season's car. However they should at least be able to give a proper working car for Leclerc in the remaining races. Maybe it isn't like the championship but it would definitely be more satisfying for Leclerc to finish the season right behind Verstappen.

[coinlocket$]

Bagnaia is the winner!
He did not fail this one opportunity he got.

Quartararo is a better driver IMHO but he can't ride in the rain.

The next year we will back to Marquez dominance.

[Koal-84]

Bagnaia is the winner!
He did not fail this one opportunity he got.

Quartararo is a better driver IMHO but he can't ride in the rain.

The next year we will back to Marquez dominance.

The overall package of Bagnaia and Ducati was simply better than Yamaha and Fabio, next year with the new line-up I see the Ducati factory team being the strongest team next year. Yamaha also seem to have made progress with the engine, so next season will be exciting.

Honda and Marquez I don't see good enough to fight for the title, podiums and wins yes. Titles no.

[yudi09]

Congratulations to Francesco Bagnaia who has succeeded in becoming the MotoGP world champion this season (2022) with the factory Ducati. And congratulations also to the Ducati manufacturer who this season has managed to win three titles at once (Team World Champion, Constructors World Champion and Rider World Champion).

Yes. Congratulations to Francesco Bagnaia on the 2022 MotoGP world champion and congratulations to Ducati on the long wait. Congratulations also to Fabio Quartararo who has made this year's race full of competition so that the winner must be determined in the last series of events.

Because considering that Ducati has also not won the world championship through their riders after the first time in 2007 together with Casey Stoner from Australia. Likewise with the riders from Italy where it has been a long time since Valentino Rossi was last world champion in MotoGP and now Francesco Bagnaia has brought the fragrance back to Italy together with the Italian factory bike.

In addition, Francesco (Pecco) Bagnaia became the first rider to become world champion from the Valentino Rossi VR|46 academy from several other racers. Valentino Rossi's dream to give birth to a world champion from VR|46 has come true through Pecco.

[swogerino]

Bagnaia is the winner!
He did not fail this one opportunity he got.

Quartararo is a better driver IMHO but he can't ride in the rain.

The next year we will back to Marquez dominance.

Next year is far ahead,I think all Italy should celebrate his win as it is a win that is been waiting for from 13 years already,he ended the Italy fast which I think the last winner was on 2009 from Valentino Rossi.I don't remember Dovizioso to have won any Championship but maybe I am wrong.Pecco was great yesterday as he did ride really well with a pragmatic ride and fully deserves this title after making great races in the last recent ones who gave him the so much needed confidence to become Champion,so only congrats to him.

[wmaurik]

Congratulations to Francesco Bagnaia who has succeeded in becoming the MotoGP world champion this season (2022) with the factory Ducati. And congratulations also to the Ducati manufacturer who this season has managed to win three titles at once (Team World Champion, Constructors World Champion and Rider World Champion).

Ducati this season has been extraordinary and the achievements that have been achieved by Ducati this season are not only about the Triple Crown. But there are nine achievements that have been achieved by Ducati this season according to local sources that I read, including;

1	|	Driver's World Champion	:	Pecco Bagnaia
2	|	Constructors' World Champion	:	Ducati
3	|	World Champion Team	:	Ducati Lenovo Team
4	|	BMW AWARD	:	Pecco Bagnaia
5	|	Best Independent Rider	:	Enea Bastianini
6	|	Best Independent Team	:	Prima Pramac Racing
7	|	Rookie Of The Year	:	Marco Bezzecchi
8	|	Most wins	:	Ducati (12 wins)
9	|	Most Pole	:	Ducati (16 Pole Position)

And what's unique is that this season, none of the Asian manufacturers have won the world Grand Prix, both in the Moto3, Moto2 and MotoGP classes. This is really amazing because everything is controlled by European manufacturers and also in the MotoGP class the package is super complete when the Italian rider gets the world champion using a motorbike from an Italian manufacturer.

[Luzin]

And what's unique is that this season, none of the Asian manufacturers have won the world Grand Prix, both in the Moto3, Moto2 and MotoGP classes. This is really amazing because everything is controlled by European manufacturers and also in the MotoGP class the package is super complete when the Italian rider gets the world champion using a motorbike from an Italian manufacturer.

Their Motor Development has been incredible. Even today they dominate the number of MotoGP riders and champions this season. I think it's because of their considerable financial factors that they managed an Asian manufacturer that for several years has dominated MotoGP.
Congratulations to Bagnaia you're the champion of the season. After Casey Stoner you are the driver who made history after a hiatus of fifteen years. Although I don't see much in full this season because my TV signal is bad you deserve to be a champion. Next is The task for Asian manufacturers, if they want to survive and their champions must make improvements immediately.

[bitgolden]

While there are only two races left I see only one competition which is worth following in the remaining time of the season. It is between Perez and Leclerc for the second spot in the driver standings. After a solid race by Perez and Ferrari's struggles in the last race, Perez has got ahead of Leclerc by 5 points again. This rivalry is still fired up a lot and everything can change by every race remaining.

Ferrari should work out their problem in the last race and be ready for the Brazil GP. I know that they are already focused on next season's car. However they should at least be able to give a proper working car for Leclerc in the remaining races. Maybe it isn't like the championship but it would definitely be more satisfying for Leclerc to finish the season right behind Verstappen.

Let’s not forget that F1 is a place where you could be great or terrible in a span of just one season. Someone who became a champion a year earlier, could end up being middle pack next season, all based on regulation changes and new cars.

It means Max will want to win every single race, so that he could tally up a great run of wins, if he could end up with like 7-8 seasons as the best driver of the best car just like Lewis Hamilton did, it would be easy for him to break all of Hamiltons records, both championship and pole position and race wins. However, by 2026 we will have a brand new system in the car and Red Bull may or may not be great. This is why it is important for Max to win even when it doesn't matter, so he can tally up more wins for his career totals.

[yudi09]

Ducati this season has been extraordinary and the achievements that have been achieved by Ducati this season are not only about the Triple Crown. But there are nine achievements that have been achieved by Ducati this season according to local sources that I read, including;

1	|	Driver's World Champion	:	Pecco Bagnaia
2	|	Constructors' World Champion	:	Ducati
3	|	World Champion Team	:	Ducati Lenovo Team
4	|	BMW AWARD	:	Pecco Bagnaia
5	|	Best Independent Rider	:	Enea Bastianini
6	|	Best Independent Team	:	Prima Pramac Racing
7	|	Rookie Of The Year	:	Marco Bezzecchi
8	|	Most wins	:	Ducati (12 wins)
9	|	Most Pole	:	Ducati (16 Pole Position)

And what's unique is that this season, none of the Asian manufacturers have won the world Grand Prix, both in the Moto3, Moto2 and MotoGP classes. This is really amazing because everything is controlled by European manufacturers and also in the MotoGP class the package is super complete when the Italian rider gets the world champion using a motorbike from an Italian manufacturer.

2022 will be a year that will be and will be remembered the most by Ducati. "Clean sweep" can be called for them in this year's achievements from the manufacturer to the satellite team.

It doesn't matter if none of the achievements of an Asian manufacturer won this year's championship for me. Yamaha was great even though they didn't manage to send one representative from each class. Regarding other Asian manufacturers such as Honda, there is curiosity that they seem to be very dependent on Marc. What's really going on with Honda?

[Koal-84]

1	|	Driver's World Champion	:	Pecco Bagnaia
2	|	Constructors' World Champion	:	Ducati
3	|	World Champion Team	:	Ducati Lenovo Team
4	|	BMW AWARD	:	Pecco Bagnaia
5	|	Best Independent Rider	:	Enea Bastianini
6	|	Best Independent Team	:	Prima Pramac Racing
7	|	Rookie Of The Year	:	Marco Bezzecchi
8	|	Most wins	:	Ducati (12 wins)
9	|	Most Pole	:	Ducati (16 Pole Position)

A very impressive season from Ducati, even if I like the development of Ducati and I like the brand very much, but it is very worry, Ducati is one of the few manufacturers that presents new innovations every year:

- Divisible winglets
- Ride-height devices
- Rear wing 2019

So the other manufacturers should take themselves by the nose, now Suzuki has also dropped out, that will soon be a Formula Ducati, I don't trust Honda next year either and there is only hope for Yamaha, Aprilia simply has a very small budget, but they get the maximum out of it.

[wmaurik]

Although I don't see much in full this season because my TV signal is bad you deserve to be a champion. Next is The task for Asian manufacturers, if they want to survive and their champions must make improvements immediately.

If you have problems with a bad TV signal, try to subscribe to streaming SPO TV or through the SBO TV application which you can also use for free on your android smartphone. Today, all manufacturers who are still competing next year are also conducting tests in order to be able to make a super competitive motorcycle package to be used next year.

2022 will be a year that will be and will be remembered the most by Ducati. "Clean sweep" can be called for them in this year's achievements from the manufacturer to the satellite team.

That is a very, very decent and reasonable thing to get by a manufacturer based in Bologna, Italy (DUCATI). Because Ducati has spent a lot of money in terms of engine innovation and development, everything that Ducati has gained this year is natural. And even I don't think that's enough for Ducati because they haven't been world champions for a long time before this year.

It doesn't matter if none of the achievements of an Asian manufacturer won this year's championship for me. Yamaha was great even though they didn't manage to send one representative from each class. Regarding other Asian manufacturers such as Honda, there is curiosity that they seem to be very dependent on Marc. What's really going on with Honda?

There is one achievement of a rider who uses a Yamaha motorcycle this year, namely Fabio Quartararo with his award as the best overtake. For the Honda manufacturer, which is the only manufacturer without a win this year, actually their problem is that they are late in making motorcycle development when Marc was still injured and the Honda riders themselves also crash very often while in the race so that the data they get is very messy.

I don't trust Honda next year either and there is only hope for Yamaha, Aprilia simply has a very small budget, but they get the maximum out of it.

Honda has had a very bad record this year and they seem to be struggling to make a competitive bike next year. So I also don't believe that Honda can make better results, but for Yamaha it's also very unlikely to get better if their new engine is not developed according to what their rider wants.