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How Ferrari keeps failing every single time.

This is embarrassing!

Happy for Magnussen but if nothing happens the sprint race will end with

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[Captain Corporate]

It was definitely the weirdest one we have ever seen in a long long time. Sure the rain situation did make it happen, and Ferrari would have been lucky if the rain came a bit earlier, and there was no crash, but at the end of the day, they were the unlucky ones. In a season where Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso all failed to get a pole position as a whole season, Kevin fracking Magnussen got it and that's really a shocking thing. This was a very weird one for sure, and we are going to see Max end up passing him easily, of course, both on sprint and on the race itself it will not become an issue, but even the pole itself is definitely a great thing to be happy about.

[1miau]

I do not remember much when it snowed to be fair, anyone remembers anything like that?

Much? Since Formula 1 is taking place most of the time during Spring / Summer / Autumn and races in Spring / Autums being in the desert / tropical countries like Brazil or Mexico, there's just no chance to see snow in Formula 1. Maybe a hailstorm can happen but a hailstorm would certainly result in a red flag of course. 

Great pole from Magnussen, lets see how many points he can get tomorrow.
Surviving the first corners should also be important for him. 

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How Ferrari keeps failing every single time.

This is embarrassing

I don't know if it's just an excuse, but I've been reading that Ferrari is justifying the poor performance by the fact that they are focused on developing a "new car" for the next F1 season in 2023.
One thing we all know... Ferrari has invested a lot for the 2022 season and many here believed that it would be achieving a better place (or at least failing less).
Will a few more billion-dollar investments make a difference for next year?

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It's time to watch WSBK at Pertamina Mandalika Circuit. From yesterday until today I have seen Yamaha's Toprak excel in scoring his time and several times being the All Laps Record Team in Free Practice and Superpole. Looks like the WSBK race this time will be very fierce in Mandalika starting today for Race1 until tomorrow for SP Race and Race2 if the weather can be sunny or not raining, because now in Indonesia it rains very often.

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How Ferrari keeps failing every single time.

This is embarrassing

I don't know if it's just an excuse, but I've been reading that Ferrari is justifying the poor performance by the fact that they are focused on developing a "new car" for the next F1 season in 2023.
One thing we all know... Ferrari has invested a lot for the 2022 season and many here believed that it would be achieving a better place (or at least failing less).
Will a few more billion-dollar investments make a difference for next year?

It will make a difference if those few billion dollars more are invested in the right part of the car development.If they just spend this balance without a clear goal it is going to fail them,Redbull spent them wisely as in the beginning they were not performing very well but after spending a bit more than the budget cap and spending them where they saw they had problems soon brought new car performance which completely dominated the season after the 6th or 7th race.

For the sprint today it is going to be a really good race as it is starting first Magnussen but I doubt he will finish first,Verstappen is just at his tail and in the race we know how aggressive Verstappen is.

[Balmain]

Magnussen moved fast from the rain and took pole position at Interlagos and it was an interesting day. The Haas F1 team thus achieved the best grid ranking in their Formula 1 career. We wish this coincidence didn't happen on a Sprint Qualify weekend but that doesn't change the fact that we had a fun qualifying session nonetheless. From q3 to the first 5 minutes of q1 all cars pushed through the session. The standings changed instantaneously and some of the names that stood out in all sessions showed that they were ambitious for their front grid positions. Especially Alonso, despite his age, is extremely energetic and still a very fast driver. He probably could have pushed his good form higher this season had he not been grappling with his stamina issues.

[FanEagle]

Magnussen got very very lucky but it is also important how long they could keep that luck. It is understandable after such a situation why Mick Schumacher doesn't have any team offers, I am upset that Daniel Ricciardio doesn't have a contract neither and Mick too, both racers I really like, but Mick became 20th in a qualify that his teammate became first, sure the first was just a pure luck I don't deny that but being in Q3 wasn't luck, that part was talent whereas Mick became the very last.

Now it’s very important for Magnussen to keep that position as long as possible, of course other teams will pass him, there is no doubt and he won't be first, but how low he will go down is the key here, being 5th for example would be awesome, being in top 10 is not achievement when you start at the pole, so top 5 should be the aim when they have such a once in a million time chance.

[Zackgeno96]

Max Verstappen is not really concerned with the championship at the moment. Why should he? He is very hungry and wants to win all the remaining races. His 5th place in training doesn't matter much to him I think. When we really start racing, we often see the real Verstappen and how good he is. In training sessions you have a free track and or you do not have to overtake cars and it is only 1 lap each time. I think Verstappen is the greatest F1 talent there has ever been.

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Magnussen got very very lucky but it is also important how long they could keep that luck. It is understandable after such a situation why Mick Schumacher doesn't have any team offers, I am upset that Daniel Ricciardio doesn't have a contract neither and Mick too, both racers I really like, but Mick became 20th in a qualify that his teammate became first, sure the first was just a pure luck I don't deny that but being in Q3 wasn't luck, that part was talent whereas Mick became the very last.

Now it’s very important for Magnussen to keep that position as long as possible, of course other teams will pass him, there is no doubt and he won't be first, but how low he will go down is the key here, being 5th for example would be awesome, being in top 10 is not achievement when you start at the pole, so top 5 should be the aim when they have such a once in a million time chance.

Most likely Magnussen will lose his place in the first corner or at the very latest in the early laps,I am sure Redbull will not have any trouble to just surpass a Haas car because they are far superior in both engine,aerodynamics and also Verstappen is a much better driver than Magnussen.

The important part of the sprint race is for other drivers to improve their positions for the race of tomorrow as for tonight I doubt that Verstappen will not win this sprint race.

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Wasn't able to watch qualification yesterday and when I saw that Magnussen won, I thought it's joke. It's one of the biggest surprises of the season and his reaction after it was priceless. Very happy for him. Anyway, I doubt that he will be able to hold Max behind longer than until first corner.

(I do not remember much when it snowed to be fair, anyone remembers anything like that?)

LOL, it would be interesting to see F1 cars racing on snow with winter tyres with spikes or chains . Something similar what Red Bull have done few years ago :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgFyFGeL604
But seriously, F1 calendar is made in such way to avoid cold weather and potential snow. This why we don't have races in Europe and Canada in November

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There is no rain expected during the sprint and race both for now. Actually it is really surprising to see this because heavy rain is expected earlier than the race for example. Rain could have made the remaining events really enjoyable for us. Qualifying results came different due to rain for example.

Under normal conditions, it is very difficult for any driver to compete with Verstappen at a similar level. Verstappen had big difficulties in Singapore under rain. I wonder how good he would be here under same conditions if the weather prediction changes before the race.

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1   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m14.604s
2   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m14.788s
3   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m14.916s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m15.049s
5   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m15.098s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m15.137s
7   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m15.636s
8   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m15.684s
9   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m15.815s
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m15.851s
11   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m15.856s
12   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m15.868s
13   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m15.868s
14   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m15.994s
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m16.047s
16   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m16.181s
17   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m16.283s
18   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m16.400s
19   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m16.468s
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m16.480s


Free practice 2 has been concluded 2 hours ago, the sprint race will start in 5 minutes.

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1016958/1/f1-2022-sao-paulo-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2

It will be fun, don't miss it, this is a track where you can overtake.

[swogerino]

What the f happened to Verstappen,he lost a lot of pace during the last laps before losing completely when he lost his left front wing in the fight with Sainz.Well most probably the medium compound which Verstappen choose to go with to have better drive-ability in the end of the race turned to be the complete opposite,drivers with soft tires were having much better times than him.It will be an interesting race tomorrow and big congrats to George Russell who will start the second time in this season from the first position on the grid.

[LTU_btc]

That was great sprint. Fight between Verstappen and Russel was amazing. And final outcome of sprint is unexpected low position of Verstappen. As expected, Magnusen didn't managed to kkep faster cars behind, but after all, 8th place gives him 1 point, what is important for Haas and him. And stroll just being Stroll. Pushing your teammate out of track is just stupid and fortunately, it didn't end race for both drivers.
There was message on screen about investigation of start procedure, I'm wondering what happened there. Maybe we still can see changes in sprint results.

What the f happened to Verstappen,he lost a lot of pace during the last laps before losing completely when he lost his left front wing in the fight with Sainz.Well most probably the medium compound which Verstappen choose to go with to have better drive-ability in the end of the race turned to be the complete opposite,drivers with soft tires were having much better times than him.It will be an interesting race tomorrow and big congrats to George Russell who will start the second time in this season from the first position on the grid.

I'm also wondering what happened to Verstappens's pace. For few laps Russel tried to overtake him, but even with DRS, he didn't managed to do it. And then something happened. I would say that his tyres ended, but no, he was on medium tyres, while almost whole grid on softs.

[ILuckyGuyI]

I'm really speechless about how Red Bull can make a similar mistake to Ferrari's. As you know Ferrari made a big mistake by gambling on Leclerc's tyres in qualifying yesterday. Verstappen was like one of the two drivers who had mediums. This caused him to be slower than the others. Russell just saw the opportunity and took advantage of it. Not only the touch with Sainz but also some parts from Alonso's car caused some damage in Verstappen's car.

Tomorrow we can watch a really interesting race. If Red Bull don't make similar mistakes with the race strategies then Verstappen can still get the lead back from Russell. But I'm sure of one thing that Mercedes drivers will have an impressive race. This was just like a trailer of what they are capable of. 

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What the f happened to Verstappen,he lost a lot of pace during the last laps before losing completely when he lost his left front wing in the fight with Sainz.Well most probably the medium compound which Verstappen choose to go with to have better drive-ability in the end of the race turned to be the complete opposite,drivers with soft tires were having much better times than him.It will be an interesting race tomorrow and big congrats to George Russell who will start the second time in this season from the first position on the grid.

He had the wrong tires, he was the only one with yellow compound.

Mercedes is quite strong, and their trend is astonishing for the second part of this season.

Be aware for 2023 they will be back in the top probably.

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Mercedes is quite strong, and their trend is astonishing for the second part of this season.

Be aware for 2023 they will be back in the top probably.

It's really sad to see how Ferrari dropped the ball after the summer break. Maybe it's expectable that Ferrari couldn't beat RedBull in the WDC and WCC as weak performances before the summer break have shown.
But honestly, Ferrari isn't even competitive against Mercedes anymore. It's not just bad strategy, it's also a lack of speed. And Sainz will get another engine tomorrow, so 5 places grid penalty incoming for him.
Next season, Ferrari will probably end up where it has been in 2021: fighting against McLaren...
At least, Ferarri couldn't bin any pitstops today because sprint races can be done without pit stops. 

[Fakhrulenclix]

It's time to watch WSBK at Pertamina Mandalika Circuit. From yesterday until today I have seen Yamaha's Toprak excel in scoring his time and several times being the All Laps Record Team in Free Practice and Superpole. Looks like the WSBK race this time will be very fierce in Mandalika starting today for Race1 until tomorrow for SP Race and Race2 if the weather can be sunny or not raining, because now in Indonesia it rains very often.

The race at the Pertamina Mandalika Circuit was very decisive for Bautista, considering that this circuit was very compatible with Yamaha's character and Toprak's riding style, as evidenced by the good results he got in Race1 and SP Race.
now Bautista is getting more and more depressed because Toprak has slowly reduced the distance of points, and to determine the WSBK world champion, there is only 1 Race left in Australia, therefore at this time Bautista must be consistent in order to always be in the front row to remain at the top of the world champion standings.

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The race at the Pertamina Mandalika Circuit was very decisive for Bautista, considering that this circuit was very compatible with Yamaha's character and Toprak's riding style, as evidenced by the good results he got in Race1 and SP Race.
now Bautista is getting more and more depressed because Toprak has slowly reduced the distance of points, and to determine the WSBK world champion, there is only 1 Race left in Australia, therefore at this time Bautista must be consistent in order to always be in the front row to remain at the top of the world champion standings.

Alvaro Bautista is already the WSBK world champion today after successfully finishing second in Race2 at the Mandalika circuit. Because before Race 2 started, Alvaro Bautista was already 71 points ahead of Toprak who was in second place in the standings, so Alvaro Bautista immediately became world champion after successfully finishing the race in second place because his points had already greatly exceeded what was needed. Because in one race session in WSBK only 62 points are up for grabs.