Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[swogerino]

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

I don't know if it's still confirmed, but I had read that Ferrari would have an engine with 30 more horsepower for the 2023 Formula 1 season, a result achieved with an "innovative solution" in the design of the unit.
Furthermore, they promised to "attack" and solve the reliability problems that so plagued Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz this last season.

Ferrari's problems arose because they needed to "pump" their engine to the maximum before the blockade that affected all teams, but now, by the rules, they can still make some adjustments to try to solve the problems that remain, and that's what they want extract that extra power.

I still have hope that Ferrari will perform well in 2023, I really root for this team and hope that it can match Mercedes.

Ferrari indeed have the potential to prepare the fastest car on the grid now. This isn't the thing they didn't do before. The beginning of last season was just like that. But we all wonder how consistent they would be later on. Because they gave big hopes to Tifosis after that solid start but disappointed them in a short time after.

This time they could find Mercedes as a very strong opponent in the title race together with Red Bull as well. This would fire up the competition even more so Ferrari don't have the luxury of making big mistakes.

I would also love to see McLaren being added to the teams who come up with a really good car for the upcoming season and this for a good reason I believe.They have started this upcoming season car development very early in the season we left behind which means they had the most time compared to other teams to build a good fast car for this upcoming season,I believe they were the first team to start already development of this upcoming season in May during the Monaco GP they announced that if I remember correctly.If they don't come up with a good car after so much time to develop the car I think they need to fire quite a lot of staff and bring some new names there.

[AakZaki]

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I think it will be introduced once at 2 races as a trial, basically I don't think it's good the teams and pilots simply have too little time to set up the bike.

Worse yet, maybe the racers will get tired. This has more risk of danger than F1 (IMO). It is true that the driver team has to work fast because of the short pause. The physicality of the players will certainly be used more and more, controlling MotoGP with such a large amount of power requires a body that is always in shape. Maybe there will be longer entertainment but, I think it can be boring. It is likely that Dorna did this to supplement the inflow of money. Because of the free and qualifying sessions there may not be many people coming to watch, or not much Television broadcasting it.

[emrecemsan]

I would also love to see McLaren being added to the teams who come up with a really good car for the upcoming season and this for a good reason I believe.They have started this upcoming season car development very early in the season we left behind which means they had the most time compared to other teams to build a good fast car for this upcoming season,I believe they were the first team to start already development of this upcoming season in May during the Monaco GP they announced that if I remember correctly.If they don't come up with a good car after so much time to develop the car I think they need to fire quite a lot of staff and bring some new names there.

I really don't know about McLaren. Because they were even worse than the previous season the last time.

There was a huge power loss in the car and this was a big factor holding Norris and Ricciardo back from reaching their potential in the season. To tell the truth, I wasn't expecting much from Ricciardo because he wasn't looking like competitive much. But Norris still tried to do his best with this car. From time to time, he did a good work as well. McLaren will need to work hard on their car now to close up the big gap with the top teams. It won't be easy to do this while they are even weaker but let's see. I hope they use their money more efficiently this time.

[Koal-84]

Worse yet, maybe the racers will get tired. This has more risk of danger than F1 (IMO). It is true that the driver team has to work fast because of the short pause. The physicality of the players will certainly be used more and more, controlling MotoGP with such a large amount of power requires a body that is always in shape. Maybe there will be longer entertainment but, I think it can be boring. It is likely that Dorna did this to supplement the inflow of money. Because of the free and qualifying sessions there may not be many people coming to watch, or not much Television broadcasting it.

I also think that it will be too exhausting for the riders, there are already more races in the calendar and then also additional sprint races...

The setup of the bike are crucial for the safety of the riders and so there is even less time to find the necessary setup to ride fast and safe, sprint races I see very questionable in MotoGP.

[swogerino]

I would also love to see McLaren being added to the teams who come up with a really good car for the upcoming season and this for a good reason I believe.They have started this upcoming season car development very early in the season we left behind which means they had the most time compared to other teams to build a good fast car for this upcoming season,I believe they were the first team to start already development of this upcoming season in May during the Monaco GP they announced that if I remember correctly.If they don't come up with a good car after so much time to develop the car I think they need to fire quite a lot of staff and bring some new names there.

I really don't know about McLaren. Because they were even worse than the previous season the last time.

There was a huge power loss in the car and this was a big factor holding Norris and Ricciardo back from reaching their potential in the season. To tell the truth, I wasn't expecting much from Ricciardo because he wasn't looking like competitive much. But Norris still tried to do his best with this car. From time to time, he did a good work as well. McLaren will need to work hard on their car now to close up the big gap with the top teams. It won't be easy to do this while they are even weaker but let's see. I hope they use their money more efficiently this time.

They are the first to start the development of this upcoming season car in May 2022 so they had a lot,a ton of time to think,design and implement all the new tweaks for the car of this upcoming season so it would be a big fail if they are not in the fight to win at least 1 race,just like Mercedes did during this season.In F1 time is the most valuable asset and if managed properly can bring you really good results,I think McLaren as one of the most prestigious teams in F1 should know that very well so I am expecting from them better performance during the 2023 season.

[Luzin]

I also think that it will be too exhausting for the riders, there are already more races in the calendar and then also additional sprint races...

The setup of the bike are crucial for the safety of the riders and so there is even less time to find the necessary setup to ride fast and safe, sprint races I see very questionable in MotoGP.

There doesn't seem to be a reduction in free practice or anything else? Of course, not only engine racers will also work heavier. The duration will increase half the work of the utma session times the number of series that will take place.
Are there any new regulations regarding the engines that will be used? If it is still the same, of course, it seems difficult to support performing well. At least the regulations may prepare other backup engines or motors more than the previous regulations.

[tokeweed]

Ferrari still have quite much time until the launch of their new season car. I don't know if they would show anything about the power of the car. Maybe we would barely be able to see it by the beginning of testing sessions. They need to give the best car they can to Leclerc and Sainz this time.

I don't know if it's still confirmed, but I had read that Ferrari would have an engine with 30 more horsepower for the 2023 Formula 1 season, a result achieved with an "innovative solution" in the design of the unit.
Furthermore, they promised to "attack" and solve the reliability problems that so plagued Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz this last season.

Ferrari's problems arose because they needed to "pump" their engine to the maximum before the blockade that affected all teams, but now, by the rules, they can still make some adjustments to try to solve the problems that remain, and that's what they want extract that extra power.

I still have hope that Ferrari will perform well in 2023, I really root for this team and hope that it can match Mercedes.

Ferrari indeed have the potential to prepare the fastest car on the grid now. This isn't the thing they didn't do before. The beginning of last season was just like that. But we all wonder how consistent they would be later on. Because they gave big hopes to Tifosis after that solid start but disappointed them in a short time after.

This time they could find Mercedes as a very strong opponent in the title race together with Red Bull as well. This would fire up the competition even more so Ferrari don't have the luxury of making big mistakes.

I pretty much doubt Ferrari would have the engine for 30 more horse power.  Lol.  That's prolly just some journos from somewhere trying to hype the next season and make all the Ferrari fans hopeful.  If there's a team that's gonna challenge for a title next season, it's def Mercedes imho.  They have the best engineering team in F1.  With Ferrari, who's building their car?  The guy who built them the best cars resigned. 

Anyway...  68 days to go before 'lights out' in Bahrain!

[Koal-84]

There doesn't seem to be a reduction in free practice or anything else? Of course, not only engine racers will also work heavier. The duration will increase half the work of the utma session times the number of series that will take place.
Are there any new regulations regarding the engines that will be used? If it is still the same, of course, it seems difficult to support performing well. At least the regulations may prepare other backup engines or motors more than the previous regulations.

I haven't found any exact information from the Dorna yet, but from Motorsport.com I found the following articles about the sprint races and the engine regulations for 2022, I don't know exactly whether the engine regulations will also apply to 2023, but I think they will very Same than 2022.

Full details of MotoGP’s sprint race weekend format revealed
MotoGP alters engine allocation for expanding calendars

In terms of kilometres, it will be similar to 2022 with the sprint races, unless I'm mistaken. 21 races were planned for 2022, but due to the cancellation of the Finnish GP, there were 20 in the end.

[Distraction]

It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

[koang]

It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

Formula 1 enters the second season with its technical rules, and I think something epic will happen in the next season.
There are 23 races currently scheduled, and it will be the longest F1 race to date.
The 2023 season will officially start in Bahrain, but when the team unveiled their car, the truly season has begun.

[Luzin]

Full details of MotoGP’s sprint race weekend format revealed
MotoGP alters engine allocation for expanding calendars

In terms of kilometres, it will be similar to 2022 with the sprint races, unless I'm mistaken. 21 races were planned for 2022, but due to the cancellation of the Finnish GP, there were 20 in the end.

It's quite informative, thanks I know a bit more but I'll wait for the regulations that have been decided for the new series later.

Then regarding the Sprint race again, is this due to the presence of an F1 manager in MotoGP? For example Aprilia CEO Massimo Rivola brought engineers from the F1 paddock to the Aprilia project then Yamaha brought in F1 engine head Luca Marmorini to help his bike for 2023.

Source: https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/the-refreshing-f1-link-propelling-one-motogp-team-in-2023/10414800/

[Juggy777]

It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

Formula 1 enters the second season with its technical rules, and I think something epic will happen in the next season.
There are 23 races currently scheduled, and it will be the longest F1 race to date.
The 2023 season will officially start in Bahrain, but when the team unveiled their car, the truly season has begun.

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

[retreat]

It would be lovely to see a tough competition among Ferrari, Red Bull and Mercedes for the championship next season. I think the same for their main drivers also. Leclerc, Hamilton and Verstappen would fight for the world title until the end of the season and it would be amazing for us to follow such rivalry. Above all else I believe Leclerc already deserves to be in a serious title competition. Ferrari just can't give a properly working car to him but hopefully they can next season.

As for Hamilton he is surely going to fight for his 8th world title to be the owner of the championship record by himself. If Mercedes prepare a strong car for next season then I expect him to be in the race again.

I'm also waiting for the performance of Mercedes' newest car in the upcoming 2023 season because they say it will come with new DNA. But I'm still not sure that it will come with a better engine than what Red Bull did, especially since Mercedes often has problems on short straights and slow corners. Hopefully, Mercedes has fixed this problem in their latest W14 car.

[coinlocket$]

The big change for Moto GP.

From the next season in 2023, the moto will have a real-time check of the pressure of the tires, to avoid "clever" usage of the rule.

[CLS63]

Alonso says that he enjoyed his time more at Alpine comparing to his experience with McLaren. Alpine were quite competitive from time to time in the latest season. There were times Alonso were able to fight among the drivers who were racing for the biggest teams. Maybe the power of the car wasn't much of a help mostly against them but it was still a good job for him.

Now he seems happy about not being teammate with Ocon from now on. However he shouldn't forget that his new teammate is going to be Stroll.    I still remember Stroll's dangerous defending against his teammate Vettel in the Brazil GP.

[SquallLeonhart]

Formula 1 enters the second season with its technical rules, and I think something epic will happen in the next season.
There are 23 races currently scheduled, and it will be the longest F1 race to date.
The 2023 season will officially start in Bahrain, but when the team unveiled their car, the truly season has begun.

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

He doesn't have to really retire on the high note neither. Previous year is still by far the most entertaining year I can remember in a long time, and to be far we have seen 8 titles from Mercedes in the last 10 years, that should tell you how boring it became. Hamilton and Max going into the last race with equal points was already as rare as it gets, but the race being decided on the very last lap overtake was unique and never seen before I believe. That is why it wasn't for nothing, he had a chance. This year and from now on any year in the future he races doesn't have to be about just winning.

Look at Vettel, dude had 4 in a row, and last year with Aston Martin he just had some fun, it's important to remember that these guys like what they are doing, winning is great, but for most it's better to be the last than not race at all and be at home. When they decide being at home is better, they retire like Vettel did.

[FanEagle]

He doesn't have to really retire on the high note neither. Previous year is still by far the most entertaining year I can remember in a long time, and to be far we have seen 8 titles from Mercedes in the last 10 years, that should tell you how boring it became. Hamilton and Max going into the last race with equal points was already as rare as it gets, but the race being decided on the very last lap overtake was unique and never seen before I believe. That is why it wasn't for nothing, he had a chance. This year and from now on any year in the future he races doesn't have to be about just winning.

Look at Vettel, dude had 4 in a row, and last year with Aston Martin he just had some fun, it's important to remember that these guys like what they are doing, winning is great, but for most it's better to be the last than not race at all and be at home. When they decide being at home is better, they retire like Vettel did.

The difference between Vettel and Hamilton is that Vettel couldn't bring any glory when he moved to Ferrari, and then of course nothing was the same again. Whereas, Hamilton is just one title away from being the driver with most titles, just ONE title away.

He could have gotten it on that famous last lap, but it didn't and it's time to move on, however if he keeps driving for another 4-5 more seasons, whose to say that he wouldn't be able to get a good car and maybe get a title? Dude worked on experimental cars this year just for this purpose, he knew he couldn't win so he didn't see any reason why he should want the best possible car, hence worked on experiments on the car and got bad results so that he could have a much better potential next season, or even season after that to have just one more win.

[alegotardo]

@Distraction Hamilton had a chance to retire on a high note, but he didn’t and then failed to win the title and now I doubt that he can make a comeback and win it. Furthermore I believe that Max will be winning titles from now on and Leclerc at best might end up in the second position, but if Leclerc can win the title then only F1 races will become interesting otherwise the outcome will be too easy to predict.

Hamilton even shared the top of the list of all-time champions along with Michael Schumacher, amos with seven achievements.
Unfortunately in 2021 he tried to lift another trophy in that ′′ fight ′′ he had with Max Verstappen until the last corners, but ended up being overtaken.
And in 2022 he was even among the best, but he is far from getting the best placement in the Drivers' World Championship.

Let's see how it will be in 2023, as Mercedes' promise is a competitive car, and the demonstration of this evolution already at the United States GP, left Hamilton excited for the contract renewal.

Honestly, I can't imagine Hamilton out of F1 for now, this is his place, and he still has many years ahead of him to win another title.

[coinlocket$]

Calendario Mondiale F1 2023
Data    Gran Premio    Circuito
3-5 marzo    Bahrain    Sakhir
17-19 marzo    Arabia Saudita    Gedda
30 marzo-2 aprile    Australia    Melbourne
14-16 aprile    Da assegnare    Da assegnare
28-30 aprile    Azerbaijan*    Baku
5-7 maggio    Miami    Miami
19-21 maggio    Emilia Romagna    Imola
26-28 maggio    Monaco    Monte Carlo
4-6 giugno    Spagna    Montmeló
16-18 giugno    Canada    Montréal
30 giugno-2 luglio    Austria*    Spielberg
7-9 luglio    Gran Bretagna    Silverstone
21-23 luglio    Ungheria    Mogyoród
28-30 luglio    Belgio*    Spa-Francorchamps
25-27 agosto    Olanda    Zandvoort
1-3 settembre    Italia    Monza
15-17 settembre    Singapore    Marina Bay
22-24 settembre    Giappone    Suzuka
6-8 ottobre    Qatar*    Lusail
20-22 ottobre    Stati Uniti*    Austin
27-29 ottobre    Città del Messico    Città del Messico
3-5 novembre    San Paolo*    Interlagos
16-18 novembre    Las Vegas    Las Vegas
24-26 novembre    Abu Dhabi    Yas Marina

We are going for 24 races in 2023, some races are not assigned yet but they will be soon.

Source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/calendari/calendario-f1-2023-24-gare-si-inizia-il-5-marzo-programma-date-imola-monza-ferrari

[swogerino]

I thought they wanted to close the calendar with Mexico and Las Vegas and I clearly see now that FIA has again changed their mind for something.It is great that we are starting the season early in March but I hope the decisions like that of FIA to change things whenever they see fit do not come through the season which can happen to be devastating to the competition between teams and a killer to it like it was the last year.For this new season I can't wait to see the Las Vegas race which I know for sure it will be the most beautiful to watch just seeing the layout of the track where it will be held in the capital of gambling in the world.