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[blue Snow]

MotoGP is still on vacation, but several teams have released their presentation dates earlier this year, especially in January to March,

It's not the problem, maybe the teams have been busy searching for the new arrival custom or helmet. Because several days ago, Quartararo and the team have dealt with a new helmet sponsor, HJC from a Korean company. We know, Scorpion is helmet are used by Quartararo from 2019, and was ended 2023 which mean almost 3 years that helmet protect his head from an accident. So in the next session, we can see not only new racer from GASGAS and a new track from Kazakstan and India but the new custom and helmet also.

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[Davian144]

It's not the problem, maybe the teams have been busy searching for the new arrival custom or helmet. Because several days ago, Quartararo and the team have dealt with a new helmet sponsor, HJC from a Korean company. We know, Scorpion is helmet are used by Quartararo from 2019, and was ended 2023 which mean almost 3 years that helmet protect his head from an accident. So in the next session, we can see not only new racer from GASGAS and a new track from Kazakstan and India but the new custom and helmet also.

That's not really a problem because Dorna only makes news updates as usual. And for the drivers who have collaborated with the new helmet company, I see that Quartararo is not the only one who has replaced his helmet from Scorpion to HJC. But Alex Rins (former Suzuki rider) who this year will be with the LCR Honda team will also change his helmet from Nolan to Scorpion Exo and there will definitely be a different livery among the LCR team this year.

[Luzin]

Back in the Sprint race, it turned out that they eliminated the FP4 session and replaced it for the sprint race session. It seems that this decision has been Final in the hope that the audience will be more interested in coming.

Then I just read in the local media if my state circuit Mandalika does not hold pre-season tests for this year. Indeed, it is not mandatory, but it seems that financial reasons are the main problem. This is because the Mandalika committee did not sell tickets in the event. They diverted funds for the preparatory treatment of this 2023 season.

[el kaka22]

2026 in F1 will be a very very strong year for sure, it will be like a renewal for many teams and it is going to be insane. We are talking about a season where both rules are changing, cars are changing, both inside and outside of the car is changing and we are talking about new teams, more teams, more races, and many other things.

It is going to be something amazing when the time comes. We are just in 2023 season now, so we have this season, next and a year after that, 3 more seasons with this and I think Red Bull will win it all, 4 in a row constructors and 5 in a row drivers with Max, but after that? After that it is all anyone's game, everyone would need to work hard to build something around it.

[alegotardo]

I don't know if it has already been commented here, but I just read that Haas presented its new logo to also represent the master sponsor for the 2023 Formula 1 season, which in fact had already been announced in October 2022 during the US GP United. This is MoneyGram, a digital payments company.

Consequently, they also went on to adopt the name MoneyGram Haas F1 Team.

Now, they hope to have better luck with the new partner, which is a world leader in its segment, and who knows how to "erase" the bad experiences they had with Rich Energy and Uralkali.

More than a good sponsor, Haas will need to have a more stable car to get a better placement in the 2022 season. Besides, I hope that the recent arrival of Nico Hulkenberg will help Kevin Magnussen to get good points for Haas.

[Davian144]

So far, there have been four MotoGP riders who have replaced their helmet brand for the 2023 season, if previously there were Fabio Quartararo and Alex Rins. Now Pol Espargaro and Aleix Espargaro have also switched from their previous helmet brand to another for this season. Source: everythingmotoracing and motoracinggear

• Aleix Espargaro - KYT to Kabuto
• Fabio Quartararo - Scorpion to HJC
• Pol Espargaro - HJC to AGV
• Alex Rins - Nolan to Scorpion

In addition, the Honda factory has recently changed the exhaust brand from the previous SC Project and for this season the Honda factory will use Akrapovic exhaust. Source: Local media

[tokeweed]

I have heard that Hyundai and Porsche are also preparing to join F1 by that season also.

These two brands are the other strongest candidates to be seen here for now. But we will see how they will want to join this environment. Maybe both of them would like to provide engine to some teams. Ford and BMW are other brands in such speculations but there is no statement by their sides as far as I know. BMW are interested in endurance racing rather than F1 these days. Ford might be a more powerful candidate but we will see if it's true in the coming days.

Until now we have Audi officially coming in F1 in 2026.

Porsche is very close to be official.
The rumor for them was to enter With RBR but they denied it and they want to be an independent team.

These are the most probable teams.


We also have 2 small rumors for 2027 for Hyundai and Ford but we basically know nothing about it.

We have seen a Ford works team have a couple of seasons in F1 but Hyundai?  Do they even have the technical know how to compete in such a cut throat sport like F1?  The established teams will chew them up and spit them out easy.  But the more teams the better.  I'd like to see Toyota come back in F1 too and get some more Asian automakers represented in F1.  

Another rumor that seems to be gaining momentum is Andretti seems to be interested to get in F1 as early as 2024.  That would be great!

Here's the betting market for the outrights in case anybody is interested.  H2H bets look fun. 

https://stake.com/sports/outright/formula-1/formula-1/formula-1-2023/43033628-formula-1-2023

[klidex]

So far, there have been four MotoGP riders who have replaced their helmet brand for the 2023 season, if previously there were Fabio Quartararo and Alex Rins. Now Pol Espargaro and Aleix Espargaro have also switched from their previous helmet brand to another for this season. Source: everythingmotoracing and motoracinggear

• Aleix Espargaro - KYT to Kabuto
• Fabio Quartararo - Scorpion to HJC
• Pol Espargaro - HJC to AGV
• Alex Rins - Nolan to Scorpion

In addition, the Honda factory has recently changed the exhaust brand from the previous SC Project and for this season the Honda factory will use Akrapovic exhaust. Source: Local media

Each MotoGP team has its own sponsor and sponsoring a MotoGP team is not easy and requires a lot of money to sponsor it.
So do not be surprised if there are some team management or racers who change brands for a sponsor. If there are other brands that offer their names as sponsors and provide a larger amount of money than the old sponsor, then a replacement will definitely be made.
As a MotoGP team, it also requires costs that must be spent in every racing event held.

[Pulsar77]

2026 in F1 will be a very very strong year for sure, it will be like a renewal for many teams and it is going to be insane. We are talking about a season where both rules are changing, cars are changing, both inside and outside of the car is changing and we are talking about new teams, more teams, more races, and many other things.

It is going to be something amazing when the time comes. We are just in 2023 season now, so we have this season, next and a year after that, 3 more seasons with this and I think Red Bull will win it all, 4 in a row constructors and 5 in a row drivers with Max, but after that? After that it is all anyone's game, everyone would need to work hard to build something around it.

Yeah, I was thinking like Verstappen had long years ahead of him to break the most title record and have it only by himself at a point.

But after hearing about new brands joining F1 in different ways I have started not to be so sure about Verstappen. By the 2026 season in F1, we will see how much the things will change for the teams. Who knows maybe Red Bull will have a bigger competition ahead of them and they won't keep their dominance anymore. No matter what Verstappen has signed a long-term contract with them. It would be difficult to see Red Bull staying weak either as long as they make a lot of profit to be able to continue to make big developments in the car. But let's see what that year will bring. There are still a few years ahead.

[ryzaadit]

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Not gonna going anywhere from my perspective.

They scare about the budget money, so hard to say we are gonna to see "Haas" taking some point on 2023. The most important things they care is always, finish with the car without any scratches.

If they want to get a better result position, they need to sacrifice something. Meanwhile, they contract a driver who already not being in the gride a few season.

[dothebeats]

We have seen a Ford works team have a couple of seasons in F1 but Hyundai?  Do they even have the technical know how to compete in such a cut throat sport like F1?  The established teams will chew them up and spit them out easy.  But the more teams the better.  I'd like to see Toyota come back in F1 too and get some more Asian automakers represented in F1. 

Hyundai is never known for high-performance cars. They have great hybrids for comfort and cars that have excellent fuel economy. Not really sure whether they can build and tune something for speed. Perhaps they already have a separate division for such cars but F1? Not so sure about that. They are competing in WRC too so there's that, but F1 is just another league. But yeah, more inclusivity and representation for the Asia region will be most welcome.

2026 in F1 will be a very very strong year for sure, it will be like a renewal for many teams and it is going to be insane. We are talking about a season where both rules are changing, cars are changing, both inside and outside of the car is changing and we are talking about new teams, more teams, more races, and many other things.

Here's to hoping that the 2026 season will bring back the V8s or even the V10 engines so that we could bring back those screaming monsters at the track. But we all know that it's just a dream long gone with all these regulations and calls to safety. Every team and manufacturer can surely bring a monster of a car if these restrictions are not imposed, but the FIA is looking to focus more on weight reduction for cars and not so much about power.

It is going to be something amazing when the time comes. We are just in 2023 season now, so we have this season, next and a year after that, 3 more seasons with this and I think Red Bull will win it all, 4 in a row constructors and 5 in a row drivers with Max, but after that? After that it is all anyone's game, everyone would need to work hard to build something around it.

Red Bull can keep their lead for now. They literally have the best of everything that you could ask for in a team. Mercedes' reign is now over, but they still have a very powerful car that can still win races, though not so sure about constructors or drivers given that Hamilton seemed to have lost the grit he has before. Hopefully George Russell is a good fit that could motivate him again of his love on the sport.

[CLS63]

Toto Wolff seems very confident about W13. 

This makes me question one thing especially. I wonder if they are planning to do the same thing Red Bull did in the latest season. I mean that Mercedes might also spend more money than the limit for the developments of their car. In the end Red Bull didn't get a huge punishment for this action. Mercedes can also use this to their advantage in the upcoming season. If FIA change the rules about that and apply a bigger punishment upon Mercedes then I can't imagine how Mercedes will react to that. 

[coinlocket$]

we now have the Moto GP schedule.

it will have 21 races, source: https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/calendari/calendario-motogp-2023-21-gare-programma-date-mugello-misano-ducati-sprint

Data    Gran Premio    Circuito
24-26 marzo    Portogallo    Portimão
31 marzo-2 aprile    Argentina    Termas de Río Hondo
14-16 aprile    Americhe    Austin
28-30 aprile    Spagna    Jerez de la Frontera
12-14 maggio    Francia    Le Mans
9-11 giugno    Italia    Mugello
16-18 giugno    Germania    Sachsenring
23-25 giugno    Olanda    Assen
7-9 luglio    Kazakistan    Sokol
4-6 agosto    Gran Bretagna    Silverstone
18-20 agosto    Austria    Spielberg
1-3 settembre    Catalogna    Montmelò
8-10 settembre    San Marino e Riviera di Rimini    Misano
22-24 settembre    India    Buddah
29 settembre-1 ottobre    Giappone    Motegi
13-15 ottobre    Indonesia    Mandalika
20-22 ottobre    Australia    Phillip Island
27-29 ottobre    Thailandia    Buriram
10-12 novembre    Malesia    Sepang
17-19 novembre    Qatar    Lusail
24-26 novembre    Comunità Valenciana    Valencia

[swogerino]

Toto Wolff seems very confident about W13. 

This makes me question one thing especially. I wonder if they are planning to do the same thing Red Bull did in the latest season. I mean that Mercedes might also spend more money than the limit for the developments of their car. In the end Red Bull didn't get a huge punishment for this action. Mercedes can also use this to their advantage in the upcoming season. If FIA change the rules about that and apply a bigger punishment upon Mercedes then I can't imagine how Mercedes will react to that. 

Toto was very confident also about the 2022 season and we saw that it didn't end well.I hope that they are back in competition in 2023 but Redbull is not because of nothing where they are now,they have hired Adrian Newey which in my opinion is the best aerodynamics engineer in F1 yet,he won with McLaren before and now with Redbull,in order for other teams to beat Redbull they need to bring a better aerodynamics engineer in their team which for me it is impossible because I don't think anyone is better at this job than the Redbull Newey.They can spend more but I don't think it will make any big difference,I also don't think FIA will punish such team that does that because in the end FIA wants spectacle.

[retreat]

2026 in F1 will be a very very strong year for sure, it will be like a renewal for many teams and it is going to be insane. We are talking about a season where both rules are changing, cars are changing, both inside and outside of the car is changing and we are talking about new teams, more teams, more races, and many other things.

It is going to be something amazing when the time comes. We are just in 2023 season now, so we have this season, next and a year after that, 3 more seasons with this and I think Red Bull will win it all, 4 in a row constructors and 5 in a row drivers with Max, but after that? After that it is all anyone's game, everyone would need to work hard to build something around it.

Yes, it seems that in the next few seasons Red Bull will lead as the best constructor in F1, but we must not allow variables like Ferrari to change the game and take over Red Bull as the best constructor, because we know that Ferrari have changed their principal team and already overcome some problems on their racing. Carlos Sainz is also quite confident that their team will catch up with Red Bull, not in the next season, but it will be tough competition that Red Bull will experience in the next few seasons. Ferrari has learned from previous experience, especially regarding issues of race execution and tire management, they are very concerned about this and are ready to compete with Red Bull.

[Davian144]

Each MotoGP team has its own sponsor and sponsoring a MotoGP team is not easy and requires a lot of money to sponsor it.
So do not be surprised if there are some team management or racers who change brands for a sponsor. If there are other brands that offer their names as sponsors and provide a larger amount of money than the old sponsor, then a replacement will definitely be made.
As a MotoGP team, it also requires costs that must be spent in every racing event held.

That's clear and I'm only telling one of the big MotoGP teams because a team like Honda is a team that people always look up to. And on average I tell about the helmet brand that will be used by each rider, which means it is aimed at the person, not for the general public, like some people who are members of the team. The other thing I'm looking forward to is pre-season testing and also the team presentation for this season apart from the opening race in Portugal.

[coinlocket$]

We have an update on the official dates for the presentations of the new cars, keep in mind it is in Italian but it easily translatable,

11 febbraio: AlphaTauri (AT04)
13 febbraio: Aston Martin (AMR23)
13 febbraio: McLaren (MCL37)
14 febbraio: Ferrari (progetto 675, nome ancora da definire)
16 febbraio: Alpine (A523)
Red Bull (RB19): da confermare
Mercedes (W14): da confermare
Alfa Romeo (C43): da confermare
Haas (VF23): da confermare
Williams (FW45): da confermare

Source : https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/calendario-presentazioni-2023-date-orari-modelli-ferrari-progetto-675-aston-martin-redbull-mercedes


Fun fact, Ferrari is the only one without a name for the car yet.

[SirLancelot]

Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.

[coinlocket$]

Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.

Yup teams are doing the propaganda right now.

For example, the Ferrari is rumored to be very very light even underweight, and 1 Kilo is rumored to be 250.000 €uro of work.

[alegotardo]

Mercedes claims that they got a new fuel from Petronas, which means that it's going to be easier to run faster while spending less fuel. This could be a huge huge advantage for them because most teams take care of their fuel so it doesn't end before the race ends, if you could run full speed all race without caring about fuel that would be insane benefit.

I am not sensing it would be that big of a difference, but even just a big, even 0.1 per lap is a huge thing in F1 as we all know. Three is like 5km top speed difference as dominating others, so 0.1 second faster would mean big help. All three at the top doing their best to be fair, that's just good for us viewers.

Much has been said about the performance of engines from F1's four main fuel suppliers in early 2022.
Power decreased significantly with the entry of the E10, in which F1 engines are obligatorily fueled with a mixture of 90% fossil fuel (gasoline) and 10% biofuel (ethanol).

In fact, the E10 is not a technological novelty if we think that it is already used in several countries in street cars, including Europe. But for F1 it is a considerable change, considering that previously it was necessary to comply with up to 5.75% of biocomponents in gasoline (E5).

F1 is and always will be a testing ground for the motorsport world, teams and their suppliers face new challenges every year, learning from mistakes and developing new technologies for the following season.