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[FanEagle]

What makes it an even more boring race than it was is the fact that Max passed his team mate Perez like he was driving a really slow car and not the fastest car on the grid.I am extremely surprised at how little resistance Perez put in to Verstappen while both of these guys are racing the same car,I know that it was the DRS enabled that made Max pass but it was also of the slow drive from Perez and also a slower,much slower pit stop from Redbull crew to Perez who made him not create a real distance to Verstappen.This happening shows that Perez is a completely mediocre driver and most likely he will be replaced when the time comes.

I think DRS and ERS makes that difference. A car could do lets say about 320 km per hour on a straight without any of them, and can do as high as 350 with both of them open. That difference makes anyone pass anyone. For example, if Max was driving ahead, with both DRS and ERS closed, and then Perez was coming from behind, with both DRS and ERS opened, then he would have nearly 20-30 km faster car as well.

You can't just look at it like "they both have the same car, why did Max passed him so easily", sure one of them will look like it's slower when it's the same car, because one of them is using those two features, and that makes the car go faster. This is why Max was able to pass Perez so easily and get the position. It's the fact that he didn't give it back that is great.

[swogerino]

What makes it an even more boring race than it was is the fact that Max passed his team mate Perez like he was driving a really slow car and not the fastest car on the grid.I am extremely surprised at how little resistance Perez put in to Verstappen while both of these guys are racing the same car,I know that it was the DRS enabled that made Max pass but it was also of the slow drive from Perez and also a slower,much slower pit stop from Redbull crew to Perez who made him not create a real distance to Verstappen.This happening shows that Perez is a completely mediocre driver and most likely he will be replaced when the time comes.

I think DRS and ERS makes that difference. A car could do lets say about 320 km per hour on a straight without any of them, and can do as high as 350 with both of them open. That difference makes anyone pass anyone. For example, if Max was driving ahead, with both DRS and ERS closed, and then Perez was coming from behind, with both DRS and ERS opened, then he would have nearly 20-30 km faster car as well.

You can't just look at it like "they both have the same car, why did Max passed him so easily", sure one of them will look like it's slower when it's the same car, because one of them is using those two features, and that makes the car go faster. This is why Max was able to pass Perez so easily and get the position. It's the fact that he didn't give it back that is great.

Let's assume you are right.Then why when Perez is ahead usually he is gotten by Verstappen and when Verstappen is ahead Perez does not even try,that shows a huge difference between the drivers mentality and shows that Verstappen is hungry to win while Perez is on that mentality if I get this win great for me and if I don't who cares,the difference is clear and I am not talking about only the moment of overtaking,before that moment there were a 3.2 seconds distance which was closed without DRS or ERS in just two laps and that says a lot about the difference between the drivers of Redbull team.

[retreat]

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What makes it an even more boring race than it was is the fact that Max passed his team mate Perez like he was driving a really slow car and not the fastest car on the grid.I am extremely surprised at how little resistance Perez put in to Verstappen while both of these guys are racing the same car,I know that it was the DRS enabled that made Max pass but it was also of the slow drive from Perez and also a slower,much slower pit stop from Redbull crew to Perez who made him not create a real distance to Verstappen.This happening shows that Perez is a completely mediocre driver and most likely he will be replaced when the time comes.

This also makes me a little surprised, how could Max pass Perez so easily without any problems. Even here it feels like Perez is letting Max get past him which is not very good. Okay they are team mates, but even so they are in the same race, and not just because they are team mates Perez allows Max to pass him very easily.
It also convinced me of how much Max was influencing Perez and the pressure he was getting from RBR to let Max through him. Poor Perez.

[jakdanyel]

Maybe thanks to DRS and ERS Verstappen didn't have any problem on overtaking Perez there. However I still don't think that they are driving the same car now. Yeah Verstappen is of course a more skilled driver than him. But this gap is still too much if we consider that they have the same car.

For example I read some news related to McLaren's upgrades some time ago. It said that Norris got the full upgrade and Piastri was going to wait for getting all of the upgrade a little more. Maybe the same thing happens for Red Bull as well.

This might be keeping Verstappen's car one step ahead all the time compared to Perez's car.

[Juggy777]

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What makes it an even more boring race than it was is the fact that Max passed his team mate Perez like he was driving a really slow car and not the fastest car on the grid.I am extremely surprised at how little resistance Perez put in to Verstappen while both of these guys are racing the same car,I know that it was the DRS enabled that made Max pass but it was also of the slow drive from Perez and also a slower,much slower pit stop from Redbull crew to Perez who made him not create a real distance to Verstappen.This happening shows that Perez is a completely mediocre driver and most likely he will be replaced when the time comes.

This also makes me a little surprised, how could Max pass Perez so easily without any problems. Even here it feels like Perez is letting Max get past him which is not very good. Okay they are team mates, but even so they are in the same race, and not just because they are team mates Perez allows Max to pass him very easily.
It also convinced me of how much Max was influencing Perez and the pressure he was getting from RBR to let Max through him. Poor Perez.

@retreat it’s clear that Perez is sacrificing for the team and I don’t consider him to be bad driver rather I consider him to be pretty good and had he been the lead driver of the team then things could have been different. Lastly I can’t fault him for following the instructions from the team management thus I feel that you’ll are being way too harsh with him when he’s just simply following instructions given to him.

[FanEagle]

Let's assume you are right.Then why when Perez is ahead usually he is gotten by Verstappen and when Verstappen is ahead Perez does not even try,that shows a huge difference between the drivers mentality and shows that Verstappen is hungry to win while Perez is on that mentality if I get this win great for me and if I don't who cares,the difference is clear and I am not talking about only the moment of overtaking,before that moment there were a 3.2 seconds distance which was closed without DRS or ERS in just two laps and that says a lot about the difference between the drivers of Redbull team.

I was just talking about the moment, of course if you look at the grand scheme, whenever someone passes Max and ahead of Max then he is just too angry about it and does the very best possible situation and tries to get the win without a doubt. However, what I said was just about the single moment when Max passed Perez.

Many people said "oh look at Max, his car is so much faster than Perez's car" and that's what I meant, with DRS and ERS, I am sure that even Albon could pass Perez like that, it is not really that tough. However, if you look at the whole season, Perez doesn2t even deserve his place, he has been terrible, sure got 2 wins but that was normal, look at Max and how he keeps winning, and look at Perez and how he just sucks.

[coinlocket$]

After the break, MotoGP will be back this weekend in Great Britain.

We will have a normal race without a sprit race and the weather will most likely be rain.

[jakdanyel]

I don't believe Perez's place in the team is still guaranteed for next season. Just because Horner announced his drivers for next season it doesn't mean that it will happen 100%. We have so many examples of it in this sport. In Formula 1 anyone can be replaced anytime. Therefore Perez had better keep this up for the rest of the season too.

Some people say that Alonso is the only driver who can bring a real rivalry to Verstappen with the same car. But I don't think he is the only one. I think drivers like Hamilton, Norris and Leclerc can also make us watch a much better rivalry between Red Bull drivers.

Perez is just not as competitive as in the past anymore. Maybe you will say he is just the driver with whom Red Bull would be contented. But they must also be disappointed with his struggles to stay behind Verstappen in many races.

[Volgastallion]

For me and i said it before , Perez car its not the same as Verstapen one, and this happen right before Perez start to trying to fight a little in the championship, after that suddenly Perez started to be a trash..... suspicious, and the other day, we all know Verstappen its much better driver than Perez but, 1 second per lap? no sense.

Clearly its something behind doors.

[Distraction]

Now there is a break of one month. But I must admit that I'm not sad about it at all. Because there is literally no competition for the championship. It is the same old thing with Hamilton's domination with W11 which has been the fastest car in F1 history. Until 2026 season I don't expect anything to change even a bit.

Because none of the other teams is able to close the gap with Red Bull even a little. Especially with Verstappen. They will need at least a car which is as fast as Red Bull's to have a chance to heat up the championship race. But only McLaren have made big progress which is still far behind Red Bull.

[coinlocket$]

According to some recent rumors, in this summer break, Charles and Ferrari will talk about his contract.

He may renew his contract, currently expiring at the end of 2024, while Sainz will probably leave for AUDI.

[retreat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE8i247HO8c

This video is very funny. The fact that the majority of current F1 drivers do not know the surname of the F1 race winners shows that even though they are good at racing, they are still normal people who sometimes forget the names of their predecessors. Even Norris skipping the "M" and not guessing McLaren was the funnest thing. And this is also the most stressful moment for Max in this season LOL.

[swogerino]

According to some recent rumors, in this summer break, Charles and Ferrari will talk about his contract.

He may renew his contract, currently expiring at the end of 2024, while Sainz will probably leave for AUDI.

I don't think that would be a good move for Charles to renew with Ferrari after so many failures from both him as a driver and his errors which honestly are quite a few compared to the horrendous errors that Ferrari has made against him in the pit or race strategies.I think he would be better thinking of joining Mercedes to have a chance when Hamilton leaves rather than settling with Ferrari,of course I can understand that when no other options are available then his only choice is to renew with them and hope for the better.

[Koal-84]

After the break, MotoGP will be back this weekend in Great Britain.

We will have a normal race without a sprit race and the weather will most likely be rain.

I'm looking forward to the race, yes it probably looks like it's going to rain, but I don't think it's a tragedy, I'm curious if the other teams have got a bit closer to Ducati in the break.

By the way, next year Rins will switch to Yamaha and replace Morbidelli.

Yamaha trennt sich nach der MotoGP 2023 von Franco Morbidelli

[Davian144]

I'm looking forward to the race, yes it probably looks like it's going to rain, but I don't think it's a tragedy, I'm curious if the other teams have got a bit closer to Ducati in the break.

By the way, next year Rins will switch to Yamaha and replace Morbidelli.

Yamaha trennt sich nach der MotoGP 2023 von Franco Morbidelli

Few are surprised by the news of Alex Rins moving to factory Yamaha next season to replace Morbidelli. Because long before the break began, speculation about Alex Rins' move to Yamaha had gone viral, and this time what made me curious was where Morbidelli would end up next season. Apart from that, I'm also looking forward to MotoGP races again because it feels like it's been a very long time since I've seen MotoGP races this season, and I also hope that other manufacturers have made more capable improvements to approach the speed of Ducati in this week's British grand prix.

[Distraction]

According to some recent rumors, in this summer break, Charles and Ferrari will talk about his contract.

He may renew his contract, currently expiring at the end of 2024, while Sainz will probably leave for AUDI.

The rumour is said to be like Leclerc has signed a deal of 2+3 years with Ferrari. There is more to that rumour also. Sainz is also reported to be after a similar deal with Ferrari.

I wouldn't be surprised with Leclerc's signing a contract extension truthfully. But I don't think Sainz will extend his contract that long. I also expect him to go to Audi when they enter the sport officially. Sainz's current contract expires at the end of 2024 while Audi are said to be entering Formula 1 by 2026. For only the time between Sainz would continue at Ferrari I think.

[coinlocket$]

The rumour is said to be like Leclerc has signed a deal of 2+3 years with Ferrari. There is more to that rumour also. Sainz is also reported to be after a similar deal with Ferrari.

I wouldn't be surprised with Leclerc's signing a contract extension truthfully. But I don't think Sainz will extend his contract that long. I also expect him to go to Audi when they enter the sport officially. Sainz's current contract expires at the end of 2024 while Audi are said to be entering Formula 1 by 2026. For only the time between Sainz would continue at Ferrari I think.

He can also leave Ferrari and join Mercedes or RBR in the time, both Lewis and Perez will not have so many races with the respective team.

[alegotardo]

According to some recent rumors, in this summer break, Charles and Ferrari will talk about his contract.

He may renew his contract, currently expiring at the end of 2024, while Sainz will probably leave for AUDI.

If I remember correctly, in the case of Sainz it isn't new that he would be speculating about a move to Alpine, and I think it is very likely that this will indeed happen.
At Alpine, Esteban Ocon and Pierre Gasly, both French, have a contract signed until 2024 (like Sainz), so it would be very likely that a driver exchange between the two teams will happen.
However, looking a little closer.... Alfa Romeo-Sauber Valtteri Bottas, from Finland, and Zhou Guanyu, are only bonded until the end of 2023, could she also be planning something??

Returning to the initial discussion, about Leclerc, the Italian informants are saying that the Monegasque's new contract with Ferrari would be in the 'mold' 2 + 3: that is, renewal for two seasons with the option of extending the bond for three more championships in the team from Maranello.

[Davian144]

Today's weather conditions at the Silverstone circuit are still quite sunny and there is currently a P1 session for Moto3. In addition, there is news about the new regulations that will be implemented by Dorna starting at the Silverstone Grand Prix, namely the Tire Pressure Control System, and if any team or manufacturer violates this, they will be given special sanctions through a time penalty after the race. Source: id.motorsport.com

[swogerino]

Today's weather conditions at the Silverstone circuit are still quite sunny and there is currently a P1 session for Moto3. In addition, there is news about the new regulations that will be implemented by Dorna starting at the Silverstone Grand Prix, namely the Tire Pressure Control System, and if any team or manufacturer violates this, they will be given special sanctions through a time penalty after the race. Source: id.motorsport.com

At least we are going to have some action from MotoGP now that F1 is officially on holiday until the end of August so most Sundays I assumed will be boring and I had forgoten about MotoGP,luckily this weekend action will be held on a very nice track for bikes,it is more technical than for cars from what I have seen.Even Bezzechi is on ride to have a look for fighting for the Championship beside the usual guys and he is running for the official scuderia of Valentino Rossi,a legend of MotoGP.I wonder what Marquez can do here but probably not much because of bike limitation.