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[swogerino]

I don't think it's that difficult for Martin to catch up with the 14 points that Bagnaia has in the two remaining series this season, because if Martin has better focus in the Qatar series and the final series in Spain, I think Bagnaia will also have heavy pressure for that matter. So their competition will be presented again this week in Qatar.

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

I don't think Martin will held such pressure very well compared to Bagnaia who is more experienced and also a World Champion.Bagnaia needs to be careful to manage these last two races to not crash in the early stages and then to recover gradually if it happens that he is behind Martin.Of course the competition here in the MotoGP is much better than F1 where the world Champion is already decided several races before the end of the season and this is a huge boost to better visibility and followers for MotoGp rather than F1 in this context.If the odds are good though I would bet on Bagnaia to win the season.

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[Davian144]

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

It seems there is one thing that makes you forget to calculate the number of points, namely points for Bagnaia in one race series. Because you only count points for Martin and don't count points for Bagnaia, now let's say as a small example that for example Martin can win the race and Sprint by getting 37 points in one series, while Bagnaia manages to finish right behind Martin in one series or in other words managed to finish in second place with 29 points. That means Bagnaia still has a 9 point advantage as his capital in the closing series of this season, namely at Valencia and now try to calculate whether what I said is true?

I don't think Martin will held such pressure very well compared to Bagnaia who is more experienced and also a World Champion.Bagnaia needs to be careful to manage these last two races to not crash in the early stages and then to recover gradually if it happens that he is behind Martin.Of course the competition here in the MotoGP is much better than F1 where the world Champion is already decided several races before the end of the season and this is a huge boost to better visibility and followers for MotoGp rather than F1 in this context.If the odds are good though I would bet on Bagnaia to win the season.

The potential still looks the same even though up to now Bagnaia still has a lead of 14 points and this will still make the remaining two series this season even fiercer in terms of competition between the two. I am also quite sure that Bagnaia will be able to defend his title for this season if he doesn't make the slightest mistake, because the distance is so close that both of them have to fight together until the end of the season to determine who will be world champion this season.

[karabiber]

Next race will be Las Vegas one, that is going to definitely be a fun one without a doubt for racers. I mean we are talking about somewhere "new" give or take, even though there has been races there before, F1 added it recently. I think it is going to be a  bit shocking because not that many racers have raced there, so that means they do not have enough time there and this could change a lot.

It does bring in rookies (or young racers) closer to older ones, because when you are that good, as a veteran, you know how to save and all, but when you do not have track experience that much, it does bring in racers closer. This doesn't really apply to many teams, but could apply to ones like Mercedes, where I believe experience of Hamilton brought in a lot more points to him so far, and Russell could definitely give him a run for his money this race around. Lets see, we are going to see a race where I bet that some unexpected results will happen for sure.

I think the Las Vegas GP is going to be a spectacular opening ceremony, you can't miss the introduction of the drivers, the tour of the track and so on. With the cold weather conditions, the new, smooth asphalt and the fact that it's the first time to drive on this track, it's going to be a race full of surprises. In Las Vegas, Ferrari, with a car that consumes tires in normal weather conditions because it's cold, could warm them up faster than its rivals, especially in qualifying. Also, the Las Vegas GP could be a record breaking race for Verstappen. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

[FanEagle]

I believe that we are going to see a big fight for the second place to be fair, not everyone talks about that but Hamilton is going for that second place, and that's a big boost to the team, with such a horrible car at the start of the season, they really did make a huge comeback without a doubt.

We are talking about only 22 point difference and yes not that many races left but if Perez DNF's or something, or gets very low points, Hamilton seriously has a chance to do that, with just 2 races left, Hamilton could get 18-18 total of 36 points if he finishes second, I doubt Max would leave the first place, but Hamilton could get 36 points with 2 second finishes, that should allow him to have a big chance to become second overall.

[coinlocket$]

No raid is predicted in Las Vegas.

But it will be very cold.

I think I've never seen the car running in such cold track, there will be 10°C

[AprilioMP]

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

It seems there is one thing that makes you forget to calculate the number of points, namely points for Bagnaia in one race series. Because you only count points for Martin and don't count points for Bagnaia,

I did not count Bagnaia's points in the remaining race series and only outlined Martin's chances in one of the remaining two series.
Bagnaia, who is ahead of Martin, must be careful not to make even the smallest mistakes during the race.

now let's say as a small example that for example Martin can win the race and Sprint by getting 37 points in one series, while Bagnaia manages to finish right behind Martin in one series or in other words managed to finish in second place with 29 points. That means Bagnaia still has a 9 point advantage as his capital in the closing series of this season, namely at Valencia and now try to calculate whether what I said is true?

It's not wrong because it's still a possibility like the possibility I told Martin.
If in another possibility that is different from the possibility you have stated, Bagnaia fails to finish and doesn't get any points, what will happen to the competition?

[tokeweed]

No raid is predicted in Las Vegas.

But it will be very cold.

I think I've never seen the car running in such cold track, there will be 10°C

What's a raid?  

And they're running the race late at night so yeah, it wouldn't be surprising to see the track that cold.  And it's winter in the desert.  :/

Anyway, here's the schedule.

2023 F1 Las Vegas GP Schedule
Track:  Las Vegas Strip Circuit, Nevada



Nov 17, Friday:  Practice 1  20:30 - 21:30
Nov 17, Friday:  Practice 2  00:00 - 01:00
Nov 18, Saturday:  Practice 3  20:30 - 21:30
Nov 18, Saturday:  Qualifying  00:00 - 01:00
Nov 19, Sunday:  Race  22:00

^  A very fast track with possibly very cold tires.  What could possibly wrong?

[Davian144]

I did not count Bagnaia's points in the remaining race series and only outlined Martin's chances in one of the remaining two series.
Bagnaia, who is ahead of Martin, must be careful not to make even the smallest mistakes during the race.

Any mistake will really affect Bagnaia in this season's championship, because Bagnaia on the one hand must be able to play safely in order to maintain his position. However, on the other hand, Bagnaia still needs to fight for victory because this season there is a Sprint Race which makes every rider think twice about the championship.

It's not wrong because it's still a possibility like the possibility I told Martin.
If in another possibility that is different from the possibility you have stated, Bagnaia fails to finish and doesn't get any points, what will happen to the competition?

If in the Qatar series this week Bagnaia fails to finish in the main race, then Bagnaia must at least be able to finish ahead of Martin in the Sprint race so as not to be far behind Martin. Because the distance of 14 points that Bagnaia has is still quite risky for him and is clearly not yet in the safe category, which is why Bagnaia still has to fight to get first position, both in the Sprint and in the main race.

[coinlocket$]

If in the Qatar series this week Bagnaia fails to finish in the main race, then Bagnaia must at least be able to finish ahead of Martin in the Sprint race so as not to be far behind Martin. Because the distance of 14 points that Bagnaia has is still quite risky for him and is clearly not yet in the safe category, which is why Bagnaia still has to fight to get first position, both in the Sprint and in the main race.

14 points of advantage in a 70 possibility points is nothing.

But Martin is at a bigger risk, if the will go out from one race it will be over, while Bagnana can still score a 0 points and be in the game.

[alegotardo]

No raid is predicted in Las Vegas.

Without a doubt, the Las Vegas Grand Prix is the most anticipated stage of the entire season. I was shocked to learn that they invested around US$500 million to celebrate this event, but... as a consequence they hope to generate US$1.7 billion in revenue to justify the expense and inconvenience caused to the city's residents.

Just like with Miami, Formula 1 encountered a lot of resistance to mounting a street race near the Las Vegas Strip. The construction of the structures caused problems for residents and even tourists, who have to divert their paths and travel greater distances to reach emblematic points in the region. Traffic was also severely hampered around the circuit. Within three months, the region will host another important sporting event: the SuperBowl (the NFL final), which will be played at Allegiant Stadium, on February 11, 2024.
Of course we are talking about two great events... "it is an evil that comes for the greater good", but I put myself in the shoes of the residents there and honestly I would not want to go through this inconvenience.

[Davian144]

14 points of advantage in a 70 possibility points is nothing.

But Martin is at a bigger risk, if the will go out from one race it will be over, while Bagnana can still score a 0 points and be in the game.

That's right, if we talk about possibilities, Martin is the one who can't make any mistakes in the remaining two series. Meanwhile, Bagnaia still has a chance to become world champion if he doesn't get the full points in one of the races, even though Bagnaia still needs to win again to maintain his firm position at the top until the end of this season. The Qatar circuit is a circuit that is liked by almost all riders at the moment so there will be quite a battle that will thrill the hearts of the spectators even though I have to stay up late to watch the race in Qatar.

[boltz]

Dunno I liked a lot more the F1 of 2021 before the changes of the car.

FIA ruined everything imho, races are boring more than ever, this is the 1st year in my life that I'm not hyped about F1 at all.

They really did ruined F1 and more than this look at what Liberty Media is doing right now with F1 in Vegas. They chose to make a 99% show race and 1% real racing and guess what , it didn't work because they really had 0 concerns about track and safety and we all saw what happened with Sainz and Ocon during the incident on the concrete manhole that almost ruined both cars completely.

Yep , I must admit that this year is one of the most non-enjoyable for me in the last 20 years...

[tokeweed]

FP2 was delayed due to some man hole cover missing.  Lmao.  As it's a new track, this doesn't look good.  How many more shenanigans are there for the track?  I hope everything is good and ready for the race...  And not just that, I hope everything will be safe for the drivers.

All in all, watched a bit of FP2 and I gotta say the view of the buildings with the lights are good.  Kinda like a GT game.    Anybody play GT here?

Here are the results for both FP1 and FP2.

F1 Las Vegas GP FP1 Results

1      Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m40.909s
2   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m43.446s
3   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m44.261s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m44.397s
5   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m45.365s
6   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m45.497s
7   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m45.824s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m45.908s
9   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m46.793s
10   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m47.147s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m48.253s
12   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m48.513s
13   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m48.650s
14   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m48.822s
15   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m48.947s
16   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set
17   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   No Time Set
18   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   No Time Set
19   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   No Time Set
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   No Time Set

F1 Las Vegas GP FP2 Results

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.265s
2   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.782s
3   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m35.793s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m36.085s
5   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m36.129s
6   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m36.183s
7   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m36.489s
8   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m36.496s
9   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m36.663s
10   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m36.688s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m36.864s
12   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m36.890s
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m36.917s
14   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m36.987s
15   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m37.134s
16   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m37.241s
17   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m37.412s
18   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m37.656s
19   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m37.680s
20   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m38.140s

[LTU_btc]

FP2 was delayed due to some man hole cover missing.  Lmao.  As it's a new track, this doesn't look good.  How many more shenanigans are there for the track?  I hope everything is good and ready for the race...  And not just that, I hope everything will be safe for the drivers.

All in all, watched a bit of FP2 and I gotta say the view of the buildings with the lights are good.  Kinda like a GT game.    Anybody play GT here?

Here are the results for both FP1 and FP2.

After so much money were invested into this GP, it's ridiculous that such things happens. And when you see thathole in Sainz car, it could have ended much worse. Now both Alpine and Ferrari will have to use new chasis because of these accidents. And cherry on top was helding P2 behind closed doors. I still don't get exact reasons why they done it, but fans who paid so much money fortickets should be mad.
I'm not big fan of Las Vegas GP, butall these lights and sphere looks impressive. But that's all what I can say about this track. I expect that Liberty Media have already prepared some cring things that happens only in America for Saturday and Sunday.

[Distraction]

FIA decided upon a 10-place grid penalty for Carlos Sainz because of replacing parts after that incident. This is just insane!     How can you find Sainz or Ferrari guilty about that drain cover incident? You are responsible for the safety of the track. Teams are relying on you to have full checks of the track so that they can be relieved about sending their drivers to the track in sessions.

But you don't just make do with not checking the track properly. You are even giving that grid penalty to Sainz like nothing happened.

This is ridiculous kind of management by FIA. Nothing has changed since that fiasco at the end of the 2021 season. 

[coinlocket$]

what a stupid rule for Sainz.

Got a penalty, losing 200k more euros for repairs and for nobody's Ferrari fault.

[tokeweed]

FP2 was delayed due to some man hole cover missing.  Lmao.  As it's a new track, this doesn't look good.  How many more shenanigans are there for the track?  I hope everything is good and ready for the race...  And not just that, I hope everything will be safe for the drivers.

All in all, watched a bit of FP2 and I gotta say the view of the buildings with the lights are good.  Kinda like a GT game.    Anybody play GT here?

Here are the results for both FP1 and FP2.

After so much money were invested into this GP, it's ridiculous that such things happens. And when you see thathole in Sainz car, it could have ended much worse. Now both Alpine and Ferrari will have to use new chasis because of these accidents. And cherry on top was helding P2 behind closed doors. I still don't get exact reasons why they done it, but fans who paid so much money fortickets should be mad.
I'm not big fan of Las Vegas GP, butall these lights and sphere looks impressive. But that's all what I can say about this track. I expect that Liberty Media have already prepared some cring things that happens only in America for Saturday and Sunday.

Oh..?  That sucks.  I wonder what's it gonna look like for Sainz to finish top 3 and top 6 on the grid.  They've been the fastest for almost all sessions of the weekend so far...

*checks the lines*

Ah no value.  :/  What prolly could have value tho is 'car to set fastest lap' at 3.45 for Ferrari.    Could be worth a small bet there as Sainz will surely be pushing it the whole race.

Here are FP3 and quali results.

F1 Las Vegas GP FP3 Results

1      George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.093s
2   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m34.491s
3   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m34.645s
4   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.643s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.706s
6   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m34.726s
7   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.788s
8   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.853s
9   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m34.908s
10   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m35.067s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m35.089s
12   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m35.112s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m35.253s
14   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m35.297s
15   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m35.881s
16   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.908s
17   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m35.939s
18   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m36.087s
19   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m36.485s
20   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m37.778s

F1 Las Vegas GP Quali Results

1      Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m33.617s   1m32.775s   1m32.726s
2   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m33.851s   1m33.338s   1m32.770s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m34.190s   1m33.572s   1m33.104s
4   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.137s   1m33.351s   1m33.112s
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.272s   1m33.494s   1m33.239s
6   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m34.634s   1m33.588s   1m33.323s
7   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m34.525s   1m33.733s   1m33.513s
8   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m34.305s   1m33.809s   1m33.525s
9   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m34.337s   1m33.664s   1m33.537s
10   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.422s   1m33.617s   1m33.555s
11   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m34.307s   1m33.837s   
12   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m34.574s   1m33.855s   
13   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m34.265s   1m33.979s   
14   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m34.504s   1m34.199s   
15   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m34.683s   1m34.308s   
16   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m34.703s       
17   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m34.834s       
18   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m34.849s       
19   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m34.850s       
20   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri

[Velvet78]

Ferrari had a great day in qualifying today. I was expecting them to be competitive though. Because Ferrari are known by being better on straights compared to their performance at turns. Leclerc and Sainz took advantage of that very nicely as a result. It was nice to see Sainz being right behind Leclerc despite having a rough weekend so far.

However he is going to be starting at the 12th position of course. But I still am confident he will climb many positions. Verstappen is starting right behind Leclerc and I wonder how much time it will take him to overtake Leclerc.

[Davian144]

After watching FP2, Q1 and Q2 today, it seems that today's Sprint Race will be quite fierce because Bagnaia and Martin are on a fairly close grid for both of them with Luca Marini managing to become pole position today. I will wait for the Sprint to see how Martin and Bagnaia compete to score points because there are three riders from satellite teams who might be an obstacle for both of them today, but I am quite sure that Bagnaia and Martin will try to push forward from the start.

[aylabadia05]

I will wait for the Sprint to see how Martin and Bagnaia compete to score points because there are three riders from satellite teams who might be an obstacle for both of them today, but I am quite sure that Bagnaia and Martin will try to push forward from the start.

I also want to wait for the competition between the two of them in the sprint race. The results of the sprint race will make it easier for us to read whose chances are greater to win MotoGP 2023. The results of the sprint race will make both of them even more enthusiastic about welcoming the race in this series because the results from Q2 really make it clear that one of them doesn't want to give up and wants to compete. this happens in the series finale.
Bagnaia for the sprint race seems to be a little away from Martin. More and more curious.