Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order

[philipma1957]

The spec says Operating Temperature: 0 °C to 40 °C. What happens if I operate it in higher temperature than 40 °C?

oh running at 105.8f  = 41c will void warranty


well if you are in a 104f plus  spot   it could run but I would think you need to lower your freq clock  from 600 to 462 and set fans at

85%


here are lower freq results  but I lowered fan to 35%-40% for noise


 there are more then one screen shot to look at.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1534854.msg15456266#msg15456266

[misterwhite]

well if you are in a 104f plus  spot   it could run but I would think you need to lower your freq clock  from 600 to 462 and set fans at

Will this lower the hashrate?

[Swimmer63]

well if you are in a 104f plus  spot   it could run but I would think you need to lower your freq clock  from 600 to 462 and set fans at

Will this lower the hashrate?

Certainly.

[Swimmer63]

Be sensible. If people keep buying S9's at this price nothing will change.
Just buy btc or hold your profits until demand causes them to stop screwing with us.

[Subw]

Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

I think it is very stupid to look at the miner as a store of value. Miner is a tool afterall...

[philipma1957]

Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

I think it is very stupid to look at the miner as a store of value. Miner is a tool afterall...

A miner is  btc in the disguise of a tool.

Asic miners and gpu's have been sold used time and time again


Sometimes they resell at premium price. 

An S-5 purchased on Jan 2 ,2015  was close to 300 from bitmaintech due to a price battle against spondoolies.

That same miner could be sold for more then 300  on April 22, 2015  due to the price war ending.

Many other times mining gear sells at premium prices.

When coins rose from 200 to 400 in fall of 2015  gear went up in price.

I can sell gear due to a good reputation here I never fuck anyone and always try to offer a bit of a deal.

So for instance  if:

 A) coins jumped to 1500
 B) bitmaintech sold new s-9's at 3000 usd
 C) I would or might sell my 5 s-9's  I would be sure to offer them a little lower price then anyone else.
 D) I would sell in btc
 E) I would sell to people that are prior buyers from me.


So for me  the price of this gear can be high as it wants to be.

frankly  this happened for me with sp20's

and did not happen for me with s-7's

I would not mind if it happens with the s-9's

[talks_cheep]

Because high prices like these make my batch 1 value stable.  I can list and sell them for 1900 right now as I type.

I think it is very stupid to look at the miner as a store of value. Miner is a tool afterall...

A miner is  btc in the disguise of a tool.

Asic miners and gpu's have been sold used time and time again


Sometimes they resell at premium price. 

An S-5 purchased on Jan 2 ,2015  was close to 300 from bitmaintech due to a price battle against spondoolies.

That same miner could be sold for more then 300  on April 22, 2015  due to the price war ending.

Many other times mining gear sells at premium prices.

When coins rose from 200 to 400 in fall of 2015  gear went up in price.

I can sell gear due to a good reputation here I never fuck anyone and always try to offer a bit of a deal.

So for instance  if:

 A) coins jumped to 1500
 B) bitmaintech sold new s-9's at 3000 usd
 C) I would or might sell my 5 s-9's  I would be sure to offer them a little lower price then anyone else.
 D) I would sell in btc
 E) I would sell to people that are prior buyers from me.


So for me  the price of this gear can be high as it wants to be.

frankly  this happened for me with sp20's

and did not happen for me with s-7's

I would not mind if it happens with the s-9's

Bitmain can learn a thing or two from philipma1957. It's too bad Bitmain has lost good reputation it once had with the mining community. Maybe it's too late or maybe not, but I hope Bitmain can correct the course it's on, start respecting the community. They can do that by honoring their promised warranty, producing quality products, and valuing their customers. To be honest, I have no hope they will ever do any of those worthy things, because they're greedy f*ckers out to get every penny from unsuspecting noobs and ignorants of the world. They're shady as f*ck.

[numnutz2009]

But but but... it's LIMITED EDISHIN, collectible almost, you'll have the honor of being among the million of other suckers who fell for that.

The good news is that whoever bought Batch 2 (or was it 3?) for under 3 BTC can now sell it for a nice ROI, considering that they mined perhaps half a coin by now.

Batch2 and Batch3 was the same, only difference in price . B3 was 100 USD more as B2

The same miner 12.93 TH/s is also B7 (3,20 BTC) and B9 with price 3.05 BTC

not to mention the first couple of batches wont even run at the speeds they advertised....so they didn't make as much before halving as they should have.

[Tupsu]

not to mention the first couple of batches wont even run at the speeds they advertised....so they didn't make as much before halving as they should have.

Better than advertised. Could have been

S9 First Batch  14.0TH/s ± minus 5%  = 13,3Th/s
S9-B2 with 12.93TH/s ± minus 5% =12,28 TH/s
S9-B3 Limited Edition,        12.93TH/s ± minus 5% =12,28 TH/s
S9 Batch 5-Limited Edition, 11.85TH/s ± minus 5%=11,26TH/s

You must use Antpool
1-9 Batch1    14.0TH/S
10 Batch1    2/3 miner with 2 blade
11 Batch1     14.0TH/S
12 Batch2  12.93 TH/s
13,14 Batch3  12.93 TH/s
15-19 Batch5  11.85TH/s



Click on the picture

[sidehack]

You must use Antpool

Bugger anyone who'd have a requirement like that for gear to work properly.

[philipma1957]

You must use Antpool

Bugger anyone who'd have a requirement like that for gear to work properly.

I can get 13.9 on both batch 1's using kano's pool and hotter server psu's at 12.2 volts dc and 240 volt power.

the issue is it is too hot to do so at the moment .  but in the fall I expect to run the batch 1's at 650 to 675 freq

[wolfen]

All s9's sold out except batch 8

[155UE]

All s9's sold out except batch 8

Is their any difference between batches except for price?
I got late to the game so missed out on buying the first released which were probably sold out before rolling off the assembly line. 

[zoggie]

Be sensible. If people keep buying S9's at this price nothing will change.
Just buy btc or hold your profits until demand causes them to stop screwing with us.

Need a competitor to come along and the price of hardware will quickly be respectable.

[d57heinz]

Be sensible. If people keep buying S9's at this price nothing will change.
Just buy btc or hold your profits until demand causes them to stop screwing with us.

Need a competitor to come along and the price of hardware will quickly be respectable.

well it works both ways.. the competitor doesnt want to start a war they prolly cant win.. Bitmain has proven in the past they are not to be messed with.. i may not agree with their tactics but this is a business.  I dont fault them for that.(something along the lines of dont hate the player hate the game blah blah blah) i guess its rather utopian to think we could help out one another.. crazy idea right.  but anyway if they gave it away not only would diff skyrocket the price of btc would prolly drop aswell.> I think they control more of btc than we think.  By keeping the price high they are also not giving a big fu to the initial buyers like they did with s7(but we have to look at the diff increase with s7 release. they had to drop or it wouldnt have sold at all.  going to be hard to see that again for a while.  my feeling is that the latest diff rise was the s9 being swapped while they sold s7 as newest tech).  I finally cracked and bought s9 for myself.>   Ill post soon my experience with batch 8 s9.  To me that seemed like the better buy.  wanted too much for the extra overclock and 1ths for me to jump on b9.  Anyway best of luck to all that hold out.  For me not buying any s7 playing hold out i thought it was finally time to jump in again.  I respect those that are holding out.  You are well disciplined! I do have to keep in mind tho this is all a gamble.  i wouldnt have ever gotten into this had it not been for the thought that we could take back some power for the people.  I still feel it will happen we just have a long road ahead. Welcome to the grind folks

Best Regards
d57heinz

[jermwerty]

Only idiots are buying, so it's a good way to designate idiots from the rest.

You have to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them.

Yeah it kinda sucks when Bitmain holds all the cards.  I mean I should have learned my lesson after my Avalon Original Batch 3 box made a 100BTC investment 50BTC.  Even the early Antminer S1 batches were hit/miss on profitability.  I skipped the S3 (undervolted my S1s instead though the S3 was solid) and the only ASIC gear that was really profitable was the S5/SP20 due to the long-depressed bitcoin price that kept difficulty in check and the high resale value.  Basically luck!

S7 I bit on Batch 2/4 knowing it was overpriced and a gamble but I wanted the power efficiency.  In hindsight that wasn't a great idea.  Remember S7s started out in the 3-4 BTC range and dropped like a rock because 28nm was easy for Bitmain to shove out the door.   In fact I really do believe Bitmain knows exactly how they can control difficulty, and they are doing that right now to maximize profits and keep selling miners at an inflated cost.  Eventually they will do the math and find out they can drop the S9 down to 1.5BTC or something and sell a ton of them but for now they are fine with raking in the profits and by keeping the difficulty low on their hashnet to squeeze the last bit of profitability from their S7s until they are ready to flood the market with cheap S9s.


I just see the S9 following the same curve as the S7.  When Bitmain decides to start pricing them better and move volume, that will determine how much of a LOSS the current S9 owners get to enjoy!

[alh]

All s9's sold out except batch 8

Is their any difference between batches except for price?
I got late to the game so missed out on buying the first released which were probably sold out before rolling off the assembly line. 

Yes, in addition to price, the hashrate of the Batches may be different. The biggest reason that Batch #8 is lower priced is that it has a lower hashrate. At least that's my opinion for the reason.

While Batch #9 is presently sold out, Batch #8 is a slightly "better buy" in that the reduction in hashrate is offset by a slightly larger reduction in price. Not by much, but a tiny bit.

You can figure BTC/TH to see a small difference (in favor of Batch #8) at the present time.

[adaseb]

Only idiots are buying, so it's a good way to designate idiots from the rest.

You have to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them.

Yeah it kinda sucks when Bitmain holds all the cards.  I mean I should have learned my lesson after my Avalon Original Batch 3 box made a 100BTC investment 50BTC.  Even the early Antminer S1 batches were hit/miss on profitability.  I skipped the S3 (undervolted my S1s instead though the S3 was solid) and the only ASIC gear that was really profitable was the S5/SP20 due to the long-depressed bitcoin price that kept difficulty in check and the high resale value.  Basically luck!

S7 I bit on Batch 2/4 knowing it was overpriced and a gamble but I wanted the power efficiency.  In hindsight that wasn't a great idea.  Remember S7s started out in the 3-4 BTC range and dropped like a rock because 28nm was easy for Bitmain to shove out the door.   In fact I really do believe Bitmain knows exactly how they can control difficulty, and they are doing that right now to maximize profits and keep selling miners at an inflated cost.  Eventually they will do the math and find out they can drop the S9 down to 1.5BTC or something and sell a ton of them but for now they are fine with raking in the profits and by keeping the difficulty low on their hashnet to squeeze the last bit of profitability from their S7s until they are ready to flood the market with cheap S9s.


I just see the S9 following the same curve as the S7.  When Bitmain decides to start pricing them better and move volume, that will determine how much of a LOSS the current S9 owners get to enjoy!

I did an analysis of most of the last gen miners at
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1477198.0

And pretty much except for the Antminer S5, the rest would of been break-even for most who pay average prices for electricity.

That's why people are ripping each other left and right when they sell gear and overcharging because its the only way they make a profit with Antminers.

That's why an Antminer S5 costs the exact same as an Antminer S9 in terms of $/GHS.

[philipma1957]

Only idiots are buying, so it's a good way to designate idiots from the rest.

You have to know when to hold them, and know when to fold them.

Yeah it kinda sucks when Bitmain holds all the cards.  I mean I should have learned my lesson after my Avalon Original Batch 3 box made a 100BTC investment 50BTC.  Even the early Antminer S1 batches were hit/miss on profitability.  I skipped the S3 (undervolted my S1s instead though the S3 was solid) and the only ASIC gear that was really profitable was the S5/SP20 due to the long-depressed bitcoin price that kept difficulty in check and the high resale value.  Basically luck!

S7 I bit on Batch 2/4 knowing it was overpriced and a gamble but I wanted the power efficiency.  In hindsight that wasn't a great idea.  Remember S7s started out in the 3-4 BTC range and dropped like a rock because 28nm was easy for Bitmain to shove out the door.   In fact I really do believe Bitmain knows exactly how they can control difficulty, and they are doing that right now to maximize profits and keep selling miners at an inflated cost.  Eventually they will do the math and find out they can drop the S9 down to 1.5BTC or something and sell a ton of them but for now they are fine with raking in the profits and by keeping the difficulty low on their hashnet to squeeze the last bit of profitability from their S7s until they are ready to flood the market with cheap S9s.


I just see the S9 following the same curve as the S7.  When Bitmain decides to start pricing them better and move volume, that will determine how much of a LOSS the current S9 owners get to enjoy!

I did an analysis of most of the last gen miners at
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1477198.0

And pretty much except for the Antminer S5, the rest would of been break-even for most who pay average prices for electricity.

That's why people are ripping each other left and right when they sell gear and overcharging because its the only way they make a profit with Antminers.

That's why an Antminer S5 costs the exact same as an Antminer S9 in terms of $/GHS.

 

and this is why they are being generous on the s-9 price.  if they  say batch eight is sold out  wait 5 days and list batch ten at 2200 it will sell.
and they can issue coupons to batch 1 and 2 buyers for 75 off.

thus further supporting the early buyers.  I know I sound like a broken record but they are doing more then 150,000 usd a day in sales.
The batches sell out so as far as I can see they are underpriced for a low power guy.

and of course fuck you to anyone at 10 cents or more.

[JaredKaragen]

Try being in California in Silicon Valley.....

My parents pay over 11C/KWH at night for their house.....

And if you have a commercial hookup, be ready to see charges of ~0.32/Kwh.....  Cause that's what we pay PG&E for the power service in our aircraft hanger...  It's insane.

I am lucky to have a power line to my rental space in the countryside that comes with my rental.   I squeeze every last watt I can safely run on my line at all times.....  I am working on upgrading to a 220 source and expanding my capabilities at home soon.


The S7 is now makes less than a single GTX980 strictly running Lyra2;  That says a LOT about what the halving did to the older equipment.   In other terms I can squeeze 3 of those video cards into the same power draw the S7 is currently pulling at a reduced hashrate (960w)....  And the only reason its kept online is because I dont pay a dime for the power it draws since its already included with my obsurdly cheap rent.

I am seriously thinking of ditching them all together and not running any new bitmain units until they are fairly priced.... well under the 1K mark.... no way that I would pay more at this point... not a fat chance in hell.

The halving killed the profitability of my S7, and my video card is just a tad less profitable than it was before the halving.   That's some serious food for thought to people wanting to buy a new antminer unit.