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August 08, 2016, 04:57:28 AM
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The white DAO was emptied of ETC. It looks like the ETH guys already started unloading the ETC.


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August 08, 2016, 05:15:28 AM
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8 million of ETC goes to market soon


http://slacknation.github.io/medium/14/14.html


The 8M you speak is under the control of "white hat" hackers led by Alex Van de Sande from the Ethereum Foundation.  This is 69% of all DAO funds on the ETC blockchain and just under 10% of all ETC.  

When will Alex / the Ethereum Foundation make a statement on what he and his team intends to do with this ETC?  

Will they return it on the ETC blockchain proportionally to those who invested in the DAO (as they should)?


http://forklog.net/the-counter-attack-on-the-dao-quickly-drains-its-funds/

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-biggest-hacker-whodunnit-of-the-summer

https://blog.ethereum.org/author/avsa/

https://twitter.com/avsa/status/745318197876953088



Alex Van de Sande - Ethereum Foundation ""White Hat" Hacker

In Control of 8 Million ETC (currently worth over $16 Million) Of Other People's Money


WHAT NOW, ALEX?



yes what now ? i searched but no statement ! why ?

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Where's the update on the 8M ETC you are holding, Alex?

This should be answered immediately. It will be good for the ETC community to call for an answer at /r/ethereum so that the ETH community will also see for themselves what is going on. Surely he cannot claim the ETH and the ETC equivalent for himself. He has to return them. But this is where it gets confusing for me. The DAO holders were bailed out on the forked chain. So if Alex returns it they will have additional ETH + some ETC?

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August 08, 2016, 05:41:03 AM
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In my eyes, ethereum has become a toxic brand.  The only way it can survive is through ECT, who still obey the social contract.  
All eyes on Alex, if he dumps he will alienate so many people, rootstock will take the glory over ETH.

I don't know but it says on reddit one of them just dumped 129k etc, why would you do that? It was free dude, there are people who lost alot because of their dao, rushed bail out fork all kinds of stuff. Apparently they don't have a pr guy to advise their 20 something year old asses, I keep waiting to see something that is a step in the right direction or at least an attempt at doing the right thing. So far it's been self serving and vindictive over and over again. Seen it before...they're big time and can do what they want. Only they can't, and they're going to learn that lesson pretty quick at this rate.

Here is a conversation about selling off their ETC - pretty interesting to say the least

http://m.imgur.com/a/DHexx

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August 08, 2016, 06:15:39 AM
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accidentally i found this

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Please approve my operation

2cb2aa660dfae4f3b16472c3cab83ec0f606a1045ef5c01db77f75459393cf62

ie. send a transaction with data

797af6272cb2aa660dfae4f3b16472c3cab83ec0f606a1045ef5c01db77f75459393cf62

in order to split 125000 ETC, sending the ETH back to the foundation wallet and the ETC to my hot wallet at:

https://etherchain.org/account/0xf406ba0fba012777ae54630b31ff4847c00c6c10
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1

iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJXn1h0AAoJEKmdCCphefmHWqQMAJ/OxCh1THZgeBjx0xP/sxi4
JGzu74NUQCxZP0AdD6TowmdlE/OJuvCE3ZZLZoXsNkVeFKhZtJTyhKXOiupu6wiL
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wfduCfGjTE0mGft8DAkmBpeNCtrg5UqPRUPHIY7RHtGQe/vtZKmMZFoNmOMttvEh
jJIR/fgRv/xEREwhPBUzHPz7/24X9CFL94dsHWCRN5/eXD7vRE7yokuhXUjDQlC3
zWc/0pmYDWtuwbcHpsixc5yAD3YV64MjumrjHJ+iAw==
=D4yI
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On april 2016 they changed the company shareholders.
The new Ethereum company is registrated on an private house. (google maps) And the new shareholder is (japan –american person) (director /manager).

The Dao Hack was an excuus for the hard fork, to drain the ETH from the hot wallet.
After Hard fork Split ETH/ETC they direct transfer 6979999 ETC, block  1920006, 20 Jul 2016, 13:34, 105855, confirmations, 0x961c4735, IN  6979999.0000 ether. Whallet 0xb794f5ea0ba39494ce839613fffba74279579268.

The 125.000 ETC was also transfer from this wallet.
https://gastracker.io/addr/0xb794f5ea0ba39494ce839613fffba74279579268 (ETC EMPTY WALLET NOW)

From the above wallet it go's to this wallet   0xc674de296cc6dec8166ca7ef7c846f1215857d63 Balance (Ether) 16054999.9657
https://gastracker.io/addr/0xc674de296cc6dec8166ca7ef7c846f1215857d63.

Only i’m not sure whow is owner of this wallet.

This way it looks that an third party is the hacker, but not insider from the group.
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August 08, 2016, 06:53:46 AM
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@ocminer, the Etc hashrate on your pool is not updated? hmm.. it shows a steady 850gh but its like 700-750gh actually.. Is that what affecting the payout of the etc as compared to WTM.com? As I'm getting about 3-5 etc lesser than what I should get as according to WTM.com hmm.. after deducting the fees from CDM and your pool that is..

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August 08, 2016, 07:37:14 AM
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@ocminer, the Etc hashrate on your pool is not updated? hmm.. it shows a steady 850gh but its like 700-750gh actually.. Is that what affecting the payout of the etc as compared to WTM.com? As I'm getting about 3-5 etc lesser than what I should get as according to WTM.com hmm.. after deducting the fees from CDM and your pool that is..

The Hashrate on the dashboard is updated every 30 seconds, so you might need to wait a bit.

WTM is always a bit positive from my experience, you can see estimations from the pool too on the Stats page:
https://etc.suprnova.cc/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool

Actually with the 10% bonus yesterday you should be getting quite a bit more than calculated Smiley

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August 08, 2016, 07:54:16 AM
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accidentally i found this

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Please approve my operation

2cb2aa660dfae4f3b16472c3cab83ec0f606a1045ef5c01db77f75459393cf62

ie. send a transaction with data

797af6272cb2aa660dfae4f3b16472c3cab83ec0f606a1045ef5c01db77f75459393cf62

in order to split 125000 ETC, sending the ETH back to the foundation wallet and the ETC to my hot wallet at:

https://etherchain.org/account/0xf406ba0fba012777ae54630b31ff4847c00c6c10
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1

iQGcBAEBAgAGBQJXn1h0AAoJEKmdCCphefmHWqQMAJ/OxCh1THZgeBjx0xP/sxi4
JGzu74NUQCxZP0AdD6TowmdlE/OJuvCE3ZZLZoXsNkVeFKhZtJTyhKXOiupu6wiL
OqhLCW8UiGsH8p+3CRqsuk8BtsJEfDIaYvorKDxAUTBX6zuKKVSWsOl1VBvqVKCe
+jQkb6lCstn8jZwH+srN2Dh50iZbv396V1Cjr4CL5dWVZIiM9qShB6G+88J2cmbp
g/5+2tKfKnP3bLEW74aT5goS8v1CLLz92+OmLeeBycHXx+P94W5L0BO9jZeeO4F9
IMgj6jJ2Jsm9YQ1Gvgf6oxpV8ZqAZJcAyAvSVPsWDwbQGN0yCQwRVGNfdXezAZZq
wfduCfGjTE0mGft8DAkmBpeNCtrg5UqPRUPHIY7RHtGQe/vtZKmMZFoNmOMttvEh
jJIR/fgRv/xEREwhPBUzHPz7/24X9CFL94dsHWCRN5/eXD7vRE7yokuhXUjDQlC3
zWc/0pmYDWtuwbcHpsixc5yAD3YV64MjumrjHJ+iAw==
=D4yI
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----



On april 2016 they changed the company shareholders.
The new Ethereum company is registrated on an private house. (google maps) And the new shareholder is (japan –american person) (director /manager).

The Dao Hack was an excuus for the hard fork, to drain the ETH from the hot wallet.
After Hard fork Split ETH/ETC they direct transfer 6979999 ETC, block  1920006, 20 Jul 2016, 13:34, 105855, confirmations, 0x961c4735, IN  6979999.0000 ether. Whallet 0xb794f5ea0ba39494ce839613fffba74279579268.

The 125.000 ETC was also transfer from this wallet.
https://gastracker.io/addr/0xb794f5ea0ba39494ce839613fffba74279579268 (ETC EMPTY WALLET NOW)

From the above wallet it go's to this wallet   0xc674de296cc6dec8166ca7ef7c846f1215857d63 Balance (Ether) 16054999.9657
https://gastracker.io/addr/0xc674de296cc6dec8166ca7ef7c846f1215857d63.

Only i’m not sure whow is owner of this wallet.

This way it looks that an third party is the hacker, but not insider from the group.


Why are you not using  and supporting the ETHEREUM CLASSIC EXPLORER?  

like this http://blocks.elaineou.com/addr/0x59bc61238a2059e33d5fc0f91b8b8ce5cb45858d  

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August 08, 2016, 08:05:37 AM
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I believe this project is doomed to fail completely and very quickly. The Ethereum project flourished even when it was only a very a very "ethereal" idea, so to speak, on the basis of Vitalik Buterin and his team of developers. People were not investing in a crypto currency but in a tech project with -theoretically- the best minds in the business attached to it.

It doesn't really make any difference that they hard forked to punish the thieves. ETH will survive -and possibly thrive- while the "purists" at ETC will hit the ground of reality in a very quick manner. It isn't a matter of "personality cult" but of the highest minds involved in the project. That hasn't changed, fork or no fork. ETC, on the other hand, is just a blockchain, nothing else.

Sorry to bust the bubble some have adhere to, but reality is reality.
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August 08, 2016, 08:14:07 AM
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Yes, however, these same minds can be controlled, blackmailed, snuffed, etc.

I believe this project is doomed to fail completely and very quickly. The Ethereum project flourished even when it was only a very a very "ethereal" idea, so to speak, on the basis of Vitalik Buterin and his team of developers. People were not investing in a crypto currency but in a tech project with -theoretically- the best minds in the business attached to it.

It doesn't really make any difference that they hard forked to punish the thieves. ETH will survive -and possibly thrive- while the "purists" at ETC will hit the ground of reality in a very quick manner. It isn't a matter of "personality cult" but of the highest minds involved in the project. That hasn't changed, fork or no fork. ETC, on the other hand, is just a blockchain, nothing else.

Sorry to bust the bubble some have adhere to, but reality is reality.
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August 08, 2016, 08:22:11 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLkhx0eqK5w

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August 08, 2016, 08:42:41 AM
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Yes, however, these same minds can be controlled, blackmailed, snuffed, etc.

I believe this project is doomed to fail completely and very quickly. The Ethereum project flourished even when it was only a very a very "ethereal" idea, so to speak, on the basis of Vitalik Buterin and his team of developers. People were not investing in a crypto currency but in a tech project with -theoretically- the best minds in the business attached to it.

It doesn't really make any difference that they hard forked to punish the thieves. ETH will survive -and possibly thrive- while the "purists" at ETC will hit the ground of reality in a very quick manner. It isn't a matter of "personality cult" but of the highest minds involved in the project. That hasn't changed, fork or no fork. ETC, on the other hand, is just a blockchain, nothing else.

Sorry to bust the bubble some have adhere to, but reality is reality.

"Control ... Blackmail ... Snuff"
Is that from the new roadmap for ETC? It's getting funnier and funnier...


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Ethf will be dumped below ltc, it has no value

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August 08, 2016, 09:29:50 AM
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@ocminer, the Etc hashrate on your pool is not updated? hmm.. it shows a steady 850gh but its like 700-750gh actually.. Is that what affecting the payout of the etc as compared to WTM.com? As I'm getting about 3-5 etc lesser than what I should get as according to WTM.com hmm.. after deducting the fees from CDM and your pool that is..

The Hashrate on the dashboard is updated every 30 seconds, so you might need to wait a bit.

WTM is always a bit positive from my experience, you can see estimations from the pool too on the Stats page:
https://etc.suprnova.cc/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool

Actually with the 10% bonus yesterday you should be getting quite a bit more than calculated Smiley

hmm.. stats show that I should get about 17-18 daily, I gotten 17.3 or so for the whole day.. so the bonus didn't actually change anything hahah.. just that I'm getting 5-7 etc lesser as compared.. so I'm confused which one is the correct one to gauge hmm..

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August 08, 2016, 09:31:23 AM
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@ocminer, the Etc hashrate on your pool is not updated? hmm.. it shows a steady 850gh but its like 700-750gh actually.. Is that what affecting the payout of the etc as compared to WTM.com? As I'm getting about 3-5 etc lesser than what I should get as according to WTM.com hmm.. after deducting the fees from CDM and your pool that is..

The Hashrate on the dashboard is updated every 30 seconds, so you might need to wait a bit.

WTM is always a bit positive from my experience, you can see estimations from the pool too on the Stats page:
https://etc.suprnova.cc/index.php?page=statistics&action=pool

Actually with the 10% bonus yesterday you should be getting quite a bit more than calculated Smiley

hmm.. stats show that I should get about 17-18 daily, I gotten 17.3 or so for the whole day.. so the bonus didn't actually change anything hahah.. just that I'm getting 5-7 etc lesser as compared.. so I'm confused which one is the correct one to gauge hmm..

Hmm looks ok for me if it matches what the pool says.

Maybe you can try pointing one rig to another pool and compare results - they should fairly well match up.

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August 08, 2016, 10:05:00 AM
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If you want to mine etc prohashing is ok,but most of the people in prohashing mine ltc.
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August 08, 2016, 10:27:43 AM
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I believe this project is doomed to fail completely and very quickly. The Ethereum project flourished even when it was only a very a very "ethereal" idea, so to speak, on the basis of Vitalik Buterin and his team of developers. People were not investing in a crypto currency but in a tech project with -theoretically- the best minds in the business attached to it.

It doesn't really make any difference that they hard forked to punish the thieves. ETH will survive -and possibly thrive- while the "purists" at ETC will hit the ground of reality in a very quick manner. It isn't a matter of "personality cult" but of the highest minds involved in the project. That hasn't changed, fork or no fork. ETC, on the other hand, is just a blockchain, nothing else.

Sorry to bust the bubble some have adhere to, but reality is reality.


Oh barrabas..what you say made sense in the beginning, I bought it I profited. But now? They Vericoined  the chain dude, we both know how that went. Then there's the sloppy code that allowed the hack to occur in the first place. Then there's all the exchanges that lost money because of their poorly implemented bailout fork. Etc even managed to give them a ton of free etc that they could have used to turn around the perception that they weren't that bright after all, they proved that by keeping the etc rather than trying to remedy losses as a gesture of goodwill proving this is just another crypto scam, equipped with a premine, shady devs, and a blockchain that they intend to change anytime their money is at stake. Also publicly calling for a 51% attack on etc...the ones that gave them money..for free. None of this builds confidence in the team or their project right? If etc was such a shit coin it would have no support. It's been 2 weeks, it's on alot of big exchanges and has pretty healthy support from miners and alot of people in the community. I'm gonna have to disagree with you...as usual lol!
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August 08, 2016, 10:35:17 AM
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I believe this project is doomed to fail completely and very quickly. The Ethereum project flourished even when it was only a very a very "ethereal" idea, so to speak, on the basis of Vitalik Buterin and his team of developers. People were not investing in a crypto currency but in a tech project with -theoretically- the best minds in the business attached to it.

It doesn't really make any difference that they hard forked to punish the thieves. ETH will survive -and possibly thrive- while the "purists" at ETC will hit the ground of reality in a very quick manner. It isn't a matter of "personality cult" but of the highest minds involved in the project. That hasn't changed, fork or no fork. ETC, on the other hand, is just a blockchain, nothing else.

Sorry to bust the bubble some have adhere to, but reality is reality.

Ethf has no future and is a failure

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Where's the update on the 8M ETC you are holding, Alex?

They're stealing that from their own eth comrades

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Oh yeah and this whole skimming thing on the mist wallet....that is brought to you by the "white boy hacker"  so yet another thing that makes the eth devs look absolutely terrible.
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