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August 01, 2016, 08:32:43 AM
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like i ask pumpy and like i understand it( and i am not a superbrain like vitalik) if there is a fork and the outcome is 2 chains that is not a success ? right ?
thats a failed hardfork? and blockchain techniques are clear if you use both you are suporting both coins. the only way to have a chain die is to not touch that coin. as a holder you have to choose ? and not get tempted by the extra money ? right ? so far ?
well i read in that skype leak that devs. didnt expect extra coins saw them got happy and sold them . right ?
a bit greedy but also not smart ? if sold they creat a market for the enemy ? right ?
i thought ethereum developers and foundation are soooooo samrt guys . super brains that know how to design the future?
they keep telling between teh lines that we depend on them there smartnes . but it feels like the emprers new clothes .

so now my question:
if eth loses and etc is the new dominant chain. can vitalik and the core devs ( up there discribed ) demand to be the etereum clsissis foundation ?

Foundations have no authority, but cuckold ethf love to kiss vitalik

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like i ask pumpy and like i understand it( and i am not a superbrain like vitalik) if there is a fork and the outcome is 2 chains that is not a success ? right ?
thats a failed hardfork? and blockchain techniques are clear if you use both you are suporting both coins. the only way to have a chain die is to not touch that coin. as a holder you have to choose ? and not get tempted by the extra money ? right ? so far ?
well i read in that skype leak that devs. didnt expect extra coins saw them got happy and sold them . right ?
a bit greedy but also not smart ? if sold they creat a market for the enemy ? right ?
i thought ethereum developers and foundation are soooooo samrt guys . super brains that know how to design the future?
they keep telling between teh lines that we depend on them there smartnes . but it feels like the emprers new clothes .

so now my question:
if eth loses and etc is the new dominant chain. can vitalik and the core devs ( up there discribed ) demand to be the etereum clsissis foundation ?

Many questions. For Ethereum and the foundation it's of course not a success that ETC is not dead but on it's way to get some respect and solidarity. But I wouldn't say in general that it's bad if a hard fork results in competition.

And I don't believe that the foundation-guys already sold their ETC's. It's possible that there is still some risk of a crash if they do it. But it's also possible that it would result in legal problems, because Ethereum started with a CFC and premine. To cash out on one chain, to make money and to damage the ETC-market - I don't know if that would be accepted.

ETC is stronger than expected because there is a market at least since Poloniex decided to add it. And ppl and miners saw it as opportunity. It's a wild mix of capitalism, idealism and crypto-war. I also believe that ETC is used by those who would like to see ETH in a bad position. With other words: Most likely not everybody who supports ETC believes in Ethereum in general. In my opinion we will find out in 1-3 years that both are without chance.

If ETH should lose this fight Vitalik and most of his guys will most likely be out of the Ethereum-game. It could be seen as take-over but it also could be seen as if the team has abandoned it's own project. The majority believes Ethereum is Ethereum because of VB and the original team. But that might turn out as misconception.

One interesting question is: What to do with the funding and the premine if Vitaliks Ethereum should lose.

Btw: That's also a reason why they won't give up. They will most likely keep on with ETH even if ETC should overtake an be superior in all important parts, including hashrate.
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August 01, 2016, 08:45:39 AM
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question:

like i ask pumpy and like i understand it( and i am not a superbrain like vitalik) if there is a fork and the outcome is 2 chains that is not a success ? right ?
thats a failed hardfork? and blockchain techniques are clear if you use both you are suporting both coins. the only way to have a chain die is to not touch that coin. as a holder you have to choose ? and not get tempted by the extra money ? right ? so far ?
well i read in that skype leak that devs. didnt expect extra coins saw them got happy and sold them . right ?
a bit greedy but also not smart ? if sold they creat a market for the enemy ? right ?
i thought ethereum developers and foundation are soooooo samrt guys . super brains that know how to design the future?
they keep telling between teh lines that we depend on them there smartnes . but it feels like the emprers new clothes .

so now my question:
if eth loses and etc is the new dominant chain. can vitalik and the core devs ( up there discribed ) demand to be the etereum clsissis foundation ?

Many questions. For Ethereum and the foundation it's of course not a success that ETC is not dead but on it's way to get some respect and solidarity. But I wouldn't say in general that it's bad if a hard fork results in competition.

And I don't believe that the foundation-guys already sold their ETC's. It's possible that there is still some risk of a crash if they do it. But it's also possible that it would result in legal problems, because Ethereum started with a CFC and premine. To cash out on one chain, to make money and to damage the ETC-market - I don't know if that would be accepted.

ETC is stronger than expected because there is a market at least since Poloniex decided to add it. And ppl and miners saw it as opportunity. It's a wild mix of capitalism, idealism and crypto-war. I also believe that ETC is used by those who would like to see ETH in a bad position. With other words: Most likely not everybody who supports ETC believes in Ethereum in general. In my opinion we will find out in 1-3 years that both are without chance.

If ETH should lose this fight Vitalik and most of his guys will most likely be out of the Ethereum-game. It could be seen as take-over but it also could be seen as if the team has abandoned it's own project. The majority believes Ethereum is Ethereum because of VB and the original team. But that might turn out as misconception.

One interesting question is: What to do with the funding and the premine if Vitaliks Ethereum should lose.

Btw: That's also a reason why they won't give up. They will most likely keep on with ETH even if ETC should overtake an be superior in all important parts, including hashrate.
oh i geuss the legal problems havenent even started . i am old and my experiance over the years tis that law and order are slow to get going.
what do you mean by that ?
In my opinion we will find out in 1-3 years that both are without chance.

 


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August 01, 2016, 08:48:47 AM
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so now my question:
if eth loses and etc is the new dominant chain. can vitalik and the core devs ( up there discribed ) demand to be the etereum clsissis foundation ?
vitalik could be an employee of Ethereum Classic but he would need to be watched closley.  I mean he is clever right, but knowalge is not wisdom.  You wouldn't want him involved in any decision making now would you?  He has the anti Midus touch, everything he touches tuns to sh!t.  And he is gonna need a job to keep him from getting into trouble.

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August 01, 2016, 08:51:50 AM
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so now my question:
if eth loses and etc is the new dominant chain. can vitalik and the core devs ( up there discribed ) demand to be the etereum clsissis foundation ?
vitalik could be an employee of Ethereum Classic but he would need to be watched closley.  I mean he is clever right, but knowalge is not wisdom.  You wouldn't want him involved in any decision making now would you?  He has the anti Midus touch, everything he touches tuns to sh!t.  And he is gonna need a job to keep him from getting into trouble.

True I'd keep him under house arrest

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August 01, 2016, 08:57:54 AM
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Etc come to show us ur strengt.
Rising day by day.

Make me happy etc

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question:

like i ask pumpy and like i understand it( and i am not a superbrain like vitalik) if there is a fork and the outcome is 2 chains that is not a success ? right ?
thats a failed hardfork? and blockchain techniques are clear if you use both you are suporting both coins. the only way to have a chain die is to not touch that coin. as a holder you have to choose ? and not get tempted by the extra money ? right ? so far ?
well i read in that skype leak that devs. didnt expect extra coins saw them got happy and sold them . right ?
a bit greedy but also not smart ? if sold they creat a market for the enemy ? right ?
i thought ethereum developers and foundation are soooooo samrt guys . super brains that know how to design the future?
they keep telling between teh lines that we depend on them there smartnes . but it feels like the emprers new clothes .

so now my question:
if eth loses and etc is the new dominant chain. can vitalik and the core devs ( up there discribed ) demand to be the etereum clsissis foundation ?

Many questions. For Ethereum and the foundation it's of course not a success that ETC is not dead but on it's way to get some respect and solidarity. But I wouldn't say in general that it's bad if a hard fork results in competition.

And I don't believe that the foundation-guys already sold their ETC's. It's possible that there is still some risk of a crash if they do it. But it's also possible that it would result in legal problems, because Ethereum started with a CFC and premine. To cash out on one chain, to make money and to damage the ETC-market - I don't know if that would be accepted.

ETC is stronger than expected because there is a market at least since Poloniex decided to add it. And ppl and miners saw it as opportunity. It's a wild mix of capitalism, idealism and crypto-war. I also believe that ETC is used by those who would like to see ETH in a bad position. With other words: Most likely not everybody who supports ETC believes in Ethereum in general. In my opinion we will find out in 1-3 years that both are without chance.

If ETH should lose this fight Vitalik and most of his guys will most likely be out of the Ethereum-game. It could be seen as take-over but it also could be seen as if the team has abandoned it's own project. The majority believes Ethereum is Ethereum because of VB and the original team. But that might turn out as misconception.

One interesting question is: What to do with the funding and the premine if Vitaliks Ethereum should lose.

Btw: That's also a reason why they won't give up. They will most likely keep on with ETH even if ETC should overtake an be superior in all important parts, including hashrate.
oh i geuss the legal problems havenent even started . i am old and my experiance over the years tis that law and order are slow to get going.
what do you mean by that ?
In my opinion we will find out in 1-3 years that both are without chance.




What I mean is: If we look at Cryptocurrencies and Blockchain-projects in general, we just see the first steps. If we focus on the really innovative projects and forget all the scams and shit, it's still unsure which one will find it's way into real use and real business. My Nr. 1 is Factom, because it's the only project I know of, that already has deals and companies and institutions and even governments already seem to be very interested. But it's use case is about data. It's an ambitious project but in comparison to smart contracts it's kind of simple.

Ethereum gets a lot of attention and smart contracts will most likely be part of our future life. But it's very early. And if we think in years, I don't believe that Ethereum has chances. There will be much more competition on that field. And Ethereum has a lot of weaknesses. The DAO-Hack wasn't just a result of a buggy smart contract. Or, more precise: That the DAO turned out to be buggy is a result of Ethereums design itself. Some Coders say Solidity is deeply flawed and some go even beyond that.

And even if there wouldn't be a problem: The eco-system is very risky in my opinion. They want to switch to PoS and I have some doubts that it's possible to be on the safe side with that over years. PoS means that the rich become richer and poor poorer. It's a one-way-ticket into a centralization. But maybe I'm wrong with that because it needs a lot of time to get into problems.

But: While Factom for example found a way to have a system-currency that is a crypto-currency, it also found a way for potential customers to use the system without touching a Cryptocurrency - Entry Credits for access.

That is important because banks and other companies don't like volatile Cryptocurrencies including all the regulatory issues. And the price to use the system is not dependent on the price of Factoids. FCT's are just to pay the servers to keep the system decentralized and are converted into Entry Credits for it's customers/users.

In Ethereum it's all about Ether. The costs to use Ethereum are dependent on the market. That's not optimal.

Plus: How to trust it after the HF? Will companies just don't care about the HF or maybe say: Naah... little risky to trust a Blockchain that goes through a hard fork to bail out an application if needed?


Under the line I believe to see problems on all important fields:

1. Code
2. Eco-system
3. Trust

And that in mind - plus: more competition. I believe it's very unlikely that ETH or ETC will be on top in years. I'm very unsure about the next months to be honest. Of course they will keep on with Ethereum. It's also possible that the price will see new ATH's in future. But I've never understood why it's so expensive. I believe it's more a hype without the base ppl believe to see in it.
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August 01, 2016, 09:16:55 AM
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Hay, I run a full node 24/7 (geth on windows) on my old server, never could understand how to add my details to this link? Oh well!

I am in UK Cornwall, just a few miles from GCHQ Bude.
Edward Snowden revealed GCHQ Bude to be the internet listening station for NSA and GCHQ. This is no surprise. Marconi made his first radio transmission to the USA from here in Cornwall in 1901 and we also host the connection point to the first under sea transatlantic telecommunications cable. We also have direct cable connection to the Common Wealth Countries including India (landed in 1870) and my ping times around the world from here are second to none making it a perfect location  for mining.

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Hay, I run a full node 24/7 (geth on windows) on my old server, never could understand how to add my details to this link? Oh well!

I am in UK Cornwall, just a few miles from GCHQ Bude.
Edward Snowden revealed GCHQ Bude to be the internet listening station for NSA and GCHQ. This is no surprise. Marconi made his first radio transmission to the USA from here in Cornwall in 1901 and we also host the connection point to the first under sea transatlantic telecommunications cable. We also have direct cable connection to the Common Wealth Countries including India (landed in 1870) and my ping times around the world from here are second to none making it a perfect location  for mining.

Here's Linux instructions https://github.com/Machete3000/etc-net-intelligence-api/wiki/Network-Status-Client-Setup

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Hay, I run a full node 24/7 (geth on windows) on my old server, never could understand how to add my details to this link? Oh well!

Here's Linux instructions https://github.com/Machete3000/etc-net-intelligence-api/wiki/Network-Status-Client-Setup

Yer.... im all windows these days, i have seen this before, never seen a windows how-to though.  Not to worry, i know my node is live and so does the network. Thats what counts

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I don't believe that the foundation-guys already sold their ETC's. It's possible that there is still some risk of a crash if they do it. But it's also possible that it would result in legal problems, because Ethereum started with a CFC and premine. To cash out on one chain, to make money and to damage the ETC-market - I don't know if that would be accepted.

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How long withdraw from prohasing to my wallet?
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I don't believe that the foundation-guys already sold their ETC's. It's possible that there is still some risk of a crash if they do it. But it's also possible that it would result in legal problems, because Ethereum started with a CFC and premine. To cash out on one chain, to make money and to damage the ETC-market - I don't know if that would be accepted.

that. is. glorious.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

With the way things are progressing, ETC gaining users and value, ETH losing, ETC might become "the" chain, more secure and more widely adopted by developers. In this case the fundation would also have to go with ETC and I think they are well aware of this, so I doubt they would dump their ETC.

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I don't believe that the foundation-guys already sold their ETC's. It's possible that there is still some risk of a crash if they do it. But it's also possible that it would result in legal problems, because Ethereum started with a CFC and premine. To cash out on one chain, to make money and to damage the ETC-market - I don't know if that would be accepted.

that. is. glorious.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

With the way things are progressing, ETC gaining users and value, ETH losing, ETC might become "the" chain, more secure and more widely adopted by developers. In this case the fundation would also have to go with ETC and I think they are well aware of this, so I doubt they would dump their ETC.

Nope, we're going to have to roll that back buddy
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get etc back to 0.50usd then pump to 10usd  Roll Eyes Grin
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August 01, 2016, 12:58:13 PM
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This community really needs to build on its communication skills, so much aggression and verbal diarrhoea isnt good for etc.
If you expect to bring in fresh investment to boost this coin...grow up..please.

Awwww, you know we love you 'tits, and your imaginary investments too, and your piss-poor spelling, and your comprehensive lack of comprehension.

Just try to contain your shilling within forum rules cause we don't want you to get banned prematurely. Helps if you can also make it at least remotely connected to ETC or ETH.

With the way things are progressing, ETC gaining users and value, ETH losing, ETC might become "the" chain, more secure and more widely adopted by developers. In this case the fundation would also have to go with ETC and I think they are well aware of this, so I doubt they would dump their ETC.

They may have already dumped enough of their ETC to make going back to ETC completely unfeasible because that would mean forfeiting their ETH dev premine. There are also many possibilities in between those two extremes.

That's why premines suck. Paying for a job in advance is never a good idea, not matter what convoluted incentives or restrictions are attached to it.

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Things are getting very real with etc now.

Can the OP add bw pool to the pool list.

Chinese Bw pool is massive boost for classic
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Etc Just get ur place in cryptoworld.
Eth Runaway of this world.

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