[ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts

[greenuser]

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@husky1971   

ETC Song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OIfSucZ6zU

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[frostminer]

Psst. Just some info, "jbaylina" is not part of slock it. (He did do some work for DAO that never came into use because of the hack)

Also http://cointimes.tech/ is like a 2 day old blog, which have modified their post from the source.

Important to know before u go bananas.

[roselee]

If you vote by address anyone can open multiple address with a light client like myetherwallet.com
If you vote by coin, many miners will miss out as they often cash out 80% each month to pay power costs.
Maybe there is a way of voting with a node, but some miners mine at a light client address from a mining pool and not run a node.
Lots of stuff just don't join up.

What do you feel about having 2 address for voting.  One address "yes" / Other address "no"
You send a small amount (0.1) etc to the address of your choice but you can only send once from a wallet running geth.
Is that doable?

what are we voting on?

voting clearly needs to be weighted by holding - the main holders of ETC will not go with any crap that each one wallet (and thousands of 1 ETC wallets on GETH) holding miniscule ETC should have equal say in anything ETC related compared to someone holding 1,000's of ETC in ONE WALLET.  Its not representative of the community what you seem to be suggesting? The owners of ETC need to be represented by the investment and risk they are taking in this venture and the long term future of ETC.

I'm a miner but not sure what you do to take this interest into account?  Like me - most miners go where the money is. Few miners can afford to consider the long term and as such I don't feel that miners votes would be truly representative of long term interests and support for ETC. The miner votes would generally support continued mining - but it takes investors in the end to maintain price and if they vacate the scene because they are not represented - price falls and miners leave.

As for using GETH - its a 3 legged dog. MIST and Etherwallet are based on GETH and too cumbersome IMO. Parity --geth mode and MyEtherWallet.com are the better options by far (MEW especially) - so I will NEVER use GETH even for an important vote.

You need to understand that there are VERY major holders in ETC (pity no rich list - it would blow you away).

carbonvote - developed by the Chinese ETH community was actually a very fair voting system.  Its open source.  Suggest you have a look.
https://github.com/consenlabs/carbonvote

Thats all that I will accept unless someone comes up with a better method of weighting to account for "skin in the game".

For the record again - I favour POS for ETC before the diff bomb cuts in.

As @iCEBREAKER seems to - and he makes sense:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.msg15836594#msg15836594)

So if there is any voting I will be holding out for it to be weighted for holding (and most ETC owners of any substance will demand this - you can expect that something like 5% of holders own 70% of ETC) and I will be voting for POS (this may be more contentious) but I believe its best for the long term for ETC.

 

i do understand your argument about investments and the risk you take so you think you should have a bigger say in a voting.

green and i are just starting this conversation about a vote becouse it was clear in the fork vote it was not a good one.
many didnt know of it.
so if you say carbonvote is good well is it save too ? and can it be manipulatet ?
just questions ..... i think for the futur to avoid situations like the one we have now it need to set up rules for voting and forks

plus a vote needs a information time befor vote.
befor the fork there was fragments of info around or just statements like vitalik saying he is profork
and they didnt really tell what the fork will do
yes you say on the github but holders are not that good at techniqual stuff
they want to know what it means for the futur of a coin.

[roselee]

my thought about POS

the tech of pos is for sure a interesting one. but
my experiance with bitshares showed it is not yet makeable

i was with bitshares from the beginning
thought it is interesting.

updating wallets again and again
till at the end the chain crashed my pcs
i had to give up
and i do have average and some a bit better ones
had bitshares running on most of them
just to see how it turns out

i dont think the masses are ready for POS

[tylerderden]

Psst. Just some info, "jbaylina" is not part of slock it. (He did do some work for DAO that never came into use because of the hack)

Also http://cointimes.tech/ is like a 2 day old blog, which have modified their post from the source.

Important to know before u go bananas.

DAO hack white hat stolen money. All I need to know bud.good luck with them bags homey.

[frostminer]

Psst. Just some info, "jbaylina" is not part of slock it. (He did do some work for DAO that never came into use because of the hack)

Also http://cointimes.tech/ is like a 2 day old blog, which have modified their post from the source.

Important to know before u go bananas.

DAO hack white hat stolen money. All I need to know bud.good luck with them bags homey.

What a silly answer.

Are you 14?

[tylerderden]

Psst. Just some info, "jbaylina" is not part of slock it. (He did do some work for DAO that never came into use because of the hack)

Also http://cointimes.tech/ is like a 2 day old blog, which have modified their post from the source.

Important to know before u go bananas.

DAO hack white hat stolen money. All I need to know bud.good luck with them bags homey.

What a silly answer.

Are you 14?

I'm silly lol!! Hey dude all the evidence is right in front of your fuckin face and your over here trying to convince the smart ones that your goddamn Neil de grasse Tyson lol! Get on back to your foundation controlled blockchain neil.

[YoBit]

Ethereum Classic [ETC] is listed: https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC
Ethereum Classic Dice: https://yobit.net/en/dice/ETC

Balances credited from Yobit profit. We had no info about fork and lost initial deposit in few first hours like BTC-e.

Code:

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Donate ETC coins to our Giveaway: https://yobit.net/en/freecoins/

[frostminer]

Ethereum Classic [ETC] is listed: https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC
Ethereum Classic Dice: https://yobit.net/en/dice/ETC

Balances credited from Yobit profit. We had no info about fork and lost initial deposit in few first hours like BTC-e.

Code:

[url=https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC][img]https://yobit.net/imginfo/ETC[/img][/url]

Donate ETC coins to our Giveaway: https://yobit.net/en/freecoins/

Damn, no free coins?
The other exchanges gave us tons of free coins.

[greenuser]

What a silly answer.
Are you 14?

You are a miner you say?  What coins?  Post links to pics of your rigs?
I'm mining: Ethereum Classic, Bitcoin, Litecoin, Grosetlcoin, Feathercoin, Doge, Viacoin, Pesetacoin and Umbrella-ltc.  Going to add: Burst
my ethermachine on this page here somewhere https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/5594/rig-porn-post-your-pics/p10

[Kellor]

my thought about POS

the tech of pos is for sure a interesting one. but
my experiance with bitshares showed it is not yet makeable

i was with bitshares from the beginning
thought it is interesting.

updating wallets again and again
till at the end the chain crashed my pcs
i had to give up
and i do have average and some a bit better ones
had bitshares running on most of them
just to see how it turns out

i dont think the masses are ready for POS

It is better to wait for a few years to go to PoS, when the technology is ready. In the early development stage, it is better to use PoW.

[YoBit]

Free ETC coins credited to users balances (same balances as ETH on Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:20:40 GMT (1920000 eth block).

Ethereum Classic [ETC] is listed: https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC
Ethereum Classic Dice: https://yobit.net/en/dice/ETC

Balances credited from Yobit profit. We had no info about fork and lost initial deposit in few first hours like BTC-e.

Code:

[url=https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC][img]https://yobit.net/imginfo/ETC[/img][/url]

Donate ETC coins to our Giveaway: https://yobit.net/en/freecoins/

Damn, no free coins?
The other exchanges gave us tons of free coins.

[roselee]

Free ETC coins credited to users balances (same balances as ETH on Wed, 20 Jul 2016 01:20:40 GMT (1920000 eth block).

Ethereum Classic [ETC] is listed: https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC
Ethereum Classic Dice: https://yobit.net/en/dice/ETC

Balances credited from Yobit profit. We had no info about fork and lost initial deposit in few first hours like BTC-e.

Code:

[url=https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC][img]https://yobit.net/imginfo/ETC[/img][/url]

Donate ETC coins to our Giveaway: https://yobit.net/en/freecoins/

Damn, no free coins?
The other exchanges gave us tons of free coins.

didnt they get informed by the ethereum foundation ?
or is the rumor tru that vitalik sent letters to the exchanges and said etc will not happen they dont need to be prepared ?

hmmm interesting case
what if they decide to claim refund from the foundation ?

[greenuser]

Ethereum Classic [ETC] is listed: https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC
Ethereum Classic Dice: https://yobit.net/en/dice/ETC

Balances credited from Yobit profit. We had no info about fork and lost initial deposit in few first hours like BTC-e.

Code:

[url=https://yobit.net/en/trade/ETC/BTC][img]https://yobit.net/imginfo/ETC[/img][/url]

Donate ETC coins to our Giveaway: https://yobit.net/en/freecoins/

Sorry to hear of your loss YoBit The waves from this will go on for a while.

[tinaken_v]

I love the trades on ETC.

[frostminer]

What a silly answer.
Are you 14?

You are a miner you say?  What coins?  Post links to pics of your rigs?
I'm mining: Ethereum Classic, Bitcoin, Litecoin, Grosetlcoin, Feathercoin, Doge, Viacoin, Pesetacoin and Umbrella-ltc.  Going to add: Burst
my ethermachine on this page here somewhere https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/5594/rig-porn-post-your-pics/p10

I mostly mine ETH, ETC, EXP and KRypton.
But none of those are the most profitable right now. (imagine what they would be without all this kindergarden shit in both threads)

I also mine some skein-coins and neoscrypt.

[Next BillG]

What a silly answer.
Are you 14?

You are a miner you say?  What coins?  Post links to pics of your rigs?
I'm mining: Ethereum Classic, Bitcoin, Litecoin, Grosetlcoin, Feathercoin, Doge, Viacoin, Pesetacoin and Umbrella-ltc.  Going to add: Burst
my ethermachine on this page here somewhere https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/5594/rig-porn-post-your-pics/p10

I mostly mine ETH, ETC, EXP and KRypton.
But none of those are the most profitable right now. (imagine what they would be without all this kindergarden shit in both threads)

I also mine some skein-coins and neoscrypt.

I mine the ETH and ETC. Their price is more stable than the other coins. But the ETC price is not so stable.

[frostminer]

What a silly answer.
Are you 14?

You are a miner you say?  What coins?  Post links to pics of your rigs?
I'm mining: Ethereum Classic, Bitcoin, Litecoin, Grosetlcoin, Feathercoin, Doge, Viacoin, Pesetacoin and Umbrella-ltc.  Going to add: Burst
my ethermachine on this page here somewhere https://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/5594/rig-porn-post-your-pics/p10

I mostly mine ETH, ETC, EXP and KRypton.
But none of those are the most profitable right now. (imagine what they would be without all this kindergarden shit in both threads)

I also mine some skein-coins and neoscrypt.

I mine the ETH and ETC. Their price is more stable than the other coins. But the ETC price is not so stable.

Smaller coins will always be more sensitive to price variations and hashrates will fluctuate as miners come and go.

But all over they are quite equal.. u just need to hold them for a day or two and sell on the peaks.

[greenuser]

@frostminer  You don't seem the sort to fit in with the KRypton crowd?  neoscrypt you say, feathercoin is now neoscrypt, a sleeping giant!
You have alot of eggs in the ethash algo i see.  You gonna get behind one of them?  Or just mine the most profitable, they switch around quite a bit, you mine them simultaneously or just the one at the top of the chart?

[frostminer]

@frostminer  You don't seem the sort to fit in with the KRypton crowd?  neoscrypt you say, feathercoin is now neoscrypt, a sleeping giant!
You have alot of eggs in the ethash algo i see.  You gonna get behind one of them?  Or just mine the most profitable, they switch around quite a bit, you mine them simultaneously or just the one at the top of the chart?

What you mean i dont fit?
You should join our slack
KR is the only one i dont dump for pay.

The ethashes has been very profitable to mine. I mostly follow difficulty to get max coins and sell at the right moments.

Yep, i think FTC will grow and grow too.