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August 08, 2016, 02:34:14 PM
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Actually I just talked to him on reddit, he admits he was the dude, but claims he acted alone and VB knew nothing. Par for the course, same approach I figured they would have when confronted about the 51% attack attempt. Man these kids...give them just a little rope and they're hanging themselves before I finish my second beer.
Can you link your Posts?  references?

I'm working on this for an updated post.  Standby.  May take a little while to get it organized in lurid enough style.  If you think I'm letting this slide into oblivion, you don't know me.  I LIKE using big, red letters.

A preview:

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August 08, 2016, 02:36:55 PM
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Actually I just talked to him on reddit, he admits he was the dude, but claims he acted alone and VB knew nothing. Par for the course, same approach I figured they would have when confronted about the 51% attack attempt. Man these kids...give them just a little rope and they're hanging themselves before I finish my second beer.

Can you link your Posts?  references?

https://www.reddit.com/r/EthereumClassic/comments/4wnn3k/alex_van_de_sande_uavsa_and_the_rest_of_the_robin/


"Also, even the small part I did, I acted as an individual, not as part of the Ethereum Foundation. I never told Vitalik about my plans"
I find this to be extremely hilarious brother, it's OK you don't have to lie. We all kind of assume he knew its fine
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I'm not lying. He had an idea someone was trying to do a white hat attack, but didn't know who it was or the specifics of the plan
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Nice...has a very mug shotty feel to it Wink
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August 08, 2016, 02:44:29 PM
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@tylerderden  good work   Cheesy
@MalReynolds spend the time to get it right, don't rush it.   Wink

But to change the subject for a bit:  Burst are doing well.  up 30% today.   They use a PoC algo.  Proof of Capacity!  You mine with hard drives.  It uses loads less power.  If could integrate something like that with ethereum Classic....  Again... it would open the network to more people.
You can mine Burst with a phone if you have a good size memory card.  Think of Africa and all those smart phones

BE MINDFUL
You know sometimes you can get tied up with money and politics and not only lose sight of the tech, but the tech can pass you by while you are preoccupied.  Why waste time with the things you cannot change, when there are thing you can be involved in that can bring about change.

We have a world Computer.  Top Dev is a Russian coder,  we have devs in Japan, a large mining infrastructure in China,  and nodes, miners and supporters all over the world.   People are working around the clock.  So.....  can we put aside the money and politics for a short while now please and move forward.  If Alex holds the keys, then he gets to choose what he does with the TOKENS. You only own what you can hold.  If you lose the keys, you lose those TOKENS

DO NOT INVEST WHAT YOU CANNOT AFORD TO LOSE...   IT IS BAD FOR THE SCIENCE

That said, i know what is going on is just so massive

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August 08, 2016, 02:48:24 PM
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@tylerderden  good work   Cheesy
@MalReynolds spend the time to get it right, don't rush it.   Wink

But to change the subject for a bit:  Burst are doing well.  up 30% today.   They use a PoC algo.  Proof of Capacity!  You mine with hard drives.  It uses loads less power.  If could integrate something like that with ethereum Classic....  Again... it would open the network to more people.
You can mine Burst with a phone if you have a good size memory card.  Think of Africa and all those smart phones

BE MINDFUL
You know sometimes you can get tied up with money and politics and not only lose sight of the tech, but the tech can pass you by while you are preoccupied.  Why waste time with the things you cannot change, when there are thing you can be involved in that can bring about change.

We have a world Computer.  Top Dev is a Russian coder,  we have devs in Japan, a large mining infrastructure in China,  and nodes, miners and supporters all over the world.   People are working around the clock.  So.....  can we put aside the money and politics for a while now please and move forward.  If Alex holds the keys, then he gets to choose what he does with the TOKENS. You only own what you can hold.  If you lose the keys, you lose those TOKENS

DO NOT INVEST WHAT YOU CANNOT AFORD TO LOSE...   IT IS BAD FOR THE SCIENCE

Burst is hard on your drives though. My thoughts are keep Dagger, runs cool already established and we should keep things simple. Later after alot of thought we can switch to whatever we decide is best. Right now I think algorithm is pretty low on the list of things to mess with, just my 2 pesos
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August 08, 2016, 03:23:40 PM
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Like a say, prob the dark hacker come from eth team.

Just realise and think. they create TheDAO, and this is hacked, bit the "good hacker" bring back the coins, but just a part of them.

I think this DAO hack, and the FORK just happen for a big play to stole money!

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August 08, 2016, 03:41:38 PM
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Like a say, prob the dark hacker come from eth team.

Just realise and think. they create TheDAO, and this is hacked, bit the "good hacker" bring back the coins, but just a part of them.

I think this DAO hack, and the FORK just happen for a big play to stole money!

It sure is starting to seem that way isn't it
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August 08, 2016, 03:46:11 PM
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@tylerderden  good work   Cheesy
@MalReynolds spend the time to get it right, don't rush it.   Wink

But to change the subject for a bit:  Burst are doing well.  up 30% today.   They use a PoC algo.  Proof of Capacity!  You mine with hard drives.  It uses loads less power.  If could integrate something like that with ethereum Classic....  Again... it would open the network to more people.
You can mine Burst with a phone if you have a good size memory card.  Think of Africa and all those smart phones

BE MINDFUL
You know sometimes you can get tied up with money and politics and not only lose sight of the tech, but the tech can pass you by while you are preoccupied.  Why waste time with the things you cannot change, when there are thing you can be involved in that can bring about change.

We have a world Computer.  Top Dev is a Russian coder,  we have devs in Japan, a large mining infrastructure in China,  and nodes, miners and supporters all over the world.   People are working around the clock.  So.....  can we put aside the money and politics for a while now please and move forward.  If Alex holds the keys, then he gets to choose what he does with the TOKENS. You only own what you can hold.  If you lose the keys, you lose those TOKENS

DO NOT INVEST WHAT YOU CANNOT AFORD TO LOSE...   IT IS BAD FOR THE SCIENCE

Burst is hard on your drives though. My thoughts are keep Dagger, runs cool already established and we should keep things simple. Later after alot of thought we can switch to whatever we decide is best. Right now I think algorithm is pretty low on the list of things to mess with, just my 2 pesos

Actually Burst is not hard on drives at all... Polling intervals are light and transactions are light.  So Burst type POC could work.  If you follow the Burst guys you will see there are some advantages of the Burst method POC, but as always there are some disadvantages as well.  

In order to get the transaction times needed to scale and not become a slow dinosaur like BTC we need something that is faster than POW which is why a hybrid with a POS portion could allow ETC to scale.  I think if we keep our eyes on the prize of long term scale and transaction speeds we will have to concede that POW isn't up to the task by itself.  So we will have to give this some thought and should look at all of the possible options that are currently available.  I certainly hope we wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel.  There are other hybrid POW/POS coins out there that we could look at the pros and cons of their implementation.
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August 08, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
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@tylerderden  good work   Cheesy
@MalReynolds spend the time to get it right, don't rush it.   Wink

But to change the subject for a bit:  Burst are doing well.  up 30% today.   They use a PoC algo.  Proof of Capacity!  You mine with hard drives.  It uses loads less power.  If could integrate something like that with ethereum Classic....  Again... it would open the network to more people.
You can mine Burst with a phone if you have a good size memory card.  Think of Africa and all those smart phones

BE MINDFUL
You know sometimes you can get tied up with money and politics and not only lose sight of the tech, but the tech can pass you by while you are preoccupied.  Why waste time with the things you cannot change, when there are thing you can be involved in that can bring about change.

We have a world Computer.  Top Dev is a Russian coder,  we have devs in Japan, a large mining infrastructure in China,  and nodes, miners and supporters all over the world.   People are working around the clock.  So.....  can we put aside the money and politics for a short while now please and move forward.  If Alex holds the keys, then he gets to choose what he does with the TOKENS. You only own what you can hold.  If you lose the keys, you lose those TOKENS

DO NOT INVEST WHAT YOU CANNOT AFORD TO LOSE...   IT IS BAD FOR THE SCIENCE

That said, i know what is going on is just so massive

I agree POC should be considered in the mix for the long term fix.  I think the first steps are to disable the diff bomb and set a timeline for where we go forward.  POW by itself does not scale and is why BTC is slower than molassis in January.  That is where we will need to leverage multiple methods in a hybrid if we want to scale.  I think if we wait until we have a problem it may be too late to address.

POC on low powered small devices is pretty cool isn't it?  Grin
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August 08, 2016, 04:07:24 PM
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Dev Just need give etc a secure chain and keep walking without eth.

I doubt if owners of TheDAO project are not same guys of eth team the fork never will been happened.

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August 08, 2016, 04:38:37 PM
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Like a say, prob the dark hacker come from eth team.

Just realise and think. they create TheDAO, and this is hacked, bit the "good hacker" bring back the coins, but just a part of them.

I think this DAO hack, and the FORK just happen for a big play to stole money!
i just wish some law enforcement would have a look at it.
the whole situation does not look good.
the dao the hack the fork , and no report to law enforcement, gosh if you dont report you are helping the thief.

in my country they for sure would have to answer some very unpleasant questions.

i wonder how that is in swiss ? they foundation is lokated in swiss . a hack is a internet crime and i think i heard there is a inernational conected crime force for interent crime .

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August 08, 2016, 04:43:45 PM
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Like a say, prob the dark hacker come from eth team.

Just realise and think. they create TheDAO, and this is hacked, bit the "good hacker" bring back the coins, but just a part of them.

I think this DAO hack, and the FORK just happen for a big play to stole money!

They may be using or plan to use these funds as their personal war chest against ETC.  That way they have no skin in the game in the attacks... The whole thing really is strange and suspicious.
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August 08, 2016, 05:05:51 PM
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I agree POC should be considered in the mix for the long term fix.  I think the first steps are to disable the diff bomb and set a timeline for where we go forward.  POW by itself does not scale and is why BTC is slower than molassis in January.  That is where we will need to leverage multiple methods in a hybrid if we want to scale.  I think if we wait until we have a problem it may be too late to address.

POC on low powered small devices is pretty cool isn't it?  Grin

It looks like the dev team want to fork to fix both the bomb and the algo combo in one fell swoop. 

i just wish some law enforcement would have a look at it.
the whole situation does not look good.
the dao the hack the fork , and no report to law enforcement, gosh if you dont report you are helping the thief.

in my country they for sure would have to answer some very unpleasant questions.

i wonder how that is in swiss ? they foundation is lokated in swiss . a hack is a internet crime and i think i heard there is a inernational conected crime force for interent crime .


I did not realise that it was not reported.  Although, kinda difficult to do anything unless you know their territory.  GCHQBude would have had online history of everything for the last 3days. What if it were done from sat-link internet, in a cabin cruiser, in international waters? I would have reported it to the Swiss authorities though.

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August 08, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
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I agree POC should be considered in the mix for the long term fix.  I think the first steps are to disable the diff bomb and set a timeline for where we go forward.  POW by itself does not scale and is why BTC is slower than molassis in January.  That is where we will need to leverage multiple methods in a hybrid if we want to scale.  I think if we wait until we have a problem it may be too late to address.

POC on low powered small devices is pretty cool isn't it?  Grin

It looks like the dev team want to fork to fix both the bomb and the algo combo in one fell swoop. 
days. What if it were done from sat-link internet, in a cabin cruiser, in international waters? I would have reported it to the Swiss authorities though.
where is this from?
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August 08, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
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Has any dev team fully committed to ETC yet? Last I've heard Hoskinson was thinking about it but there's no clear full commitment.


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August 08, 2016, 05:57:07 PM
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Has any dev team fully committed to ETC yet? Last I've heard Hoskinson was thinking about it but there's no clear full commitment.

Go join the Slack group, tons of action going on in there.  I think a team is being assembled right now. Lots of momentum behind this project and it's only 2 weeks in, never seen anything like it.
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Has any dev team fully committed to ETC yet? Last I've heard Hoskinson was thinking about it but there's no clear full commitment.
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Has any dev team fully committed to ETC yet? Last I've heard Hoskinson was thinking about it but there's no clear full commitment.

Yes we have devs working around the clock.  I have been corresponding with the dev team on slack today giving feedback on block explorer. CURRNTLY 4 DEVS https://trello.com/b/W3ftl57z/etc-block-explorer-development

whatisgravity is on slack at the mo

Charles Hoskinson is leading ETC, and he is hiring more devs

over 100 volunteers  https://github.com/ethereumproject/volunteer/tree/master/Keys

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Ethereum Switzerland GmbH in Liquidation

From the date of 24-06-2016

SHAB-Nr.: 099 - 25.05.2016  | Ethereum Switzerland GmbH in Liquidation PDF | Drucken
Grund: Schuldenrufe
- Liquidations-Schuldenruf einer Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (Art. 823 OR i.V.m. Art. 742 OR)

Dritte Veröffentlichung
Firma (Name) und Sitz der aufgelösten GmbH:
Ethereum Switzerland GmbH in Liquidation, Zug
Rechtsform des aufgelösten Rechtsträgers: Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung
Auflösungsbeschluss durch: Beschluss der Gesellschafterversammlung
Datum des Beschlusses: 06.04.2016
Anmeldefrist für Forderungen: 24.06.2016
Anmeldestelle für Forderungen: RA Patrick Storchenegger, PST Legal AG, Baarerstrasse 10, 6302 Zug
Hinweis: Die Gläubiger der aufgelösten Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung werden aufgefordert, ihre Ansprüche anzumelden.
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Reason: Calls to creditors
- Liquidation call to creditors of a company with limited liability (Art 823 OR i.V.m. Art 742 OR . . )

Third Release
Company ( name ) and seat of the dissolved GmbH :
Ethereum Switzerland GmbH in Liquidation , train
Legal form of the dissolved legal entity : Limited liability company
Resolution Decision by : resolution of the shareholders
Date of decision : 4.6.2016
Deadline for claims : 06.24.2016
Notification Authority demands : RA Patrick Storchenegger , PST Legal AG , Baarerstrasse 10 , 6302 train
Note : The creditors of the dissolved limited liability company will be asked to register their claims .
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August 08, 2016, 06:12:22 PM
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This is BIG scam from ETH Foundation in Switserland

https://www.easymonitoring.ch/handelsregister/ethereum-switzerland-gmbh-1172550

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