Drug free in the Philippines

[HyunBin]

He may not completely eradicate drugs but sure it won't be vulgar enough that even kids can just get out of their house and buy meth like its just a bag candy of candy in a  thrift store

Duterte should do something to create jobs so that the pinoys dont have to come on this forum and spam for pennies.

Expect to have more pinoys actually. He recently asked TelCo companies to set up free wifi zones to public places in the country. This will give the rest of the pinoys to have access on the internet for free and might just clam here aiming to accumulate more btc. 

Wow this is a great news.  Im excited if telco companies will grant it.  I hope and wish for this.

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[Vishnu.Reang]

I don't think we need to really wait much longer to see the impact of this policy.  It was decriminalized in 2001, so 16 years has passed, and there has not been an increase in drug use during this time, obviously less people thrown in prison, and diseases like HIV have also decreased significantly.

I'm not saying Portugal has done the perfect job, because it's only decriminalization.  Full legalization would yield even more benefits, because it will involve regulation and quality control of the actual product.  As long as you force people to get their drugs illegally, the real risk to their health is that the substance is not pure, and is either something different than what they're saying, or has been cut with other substances.  But all in all, decriminalization is a step forward in civil liberty, which is the opposite direction of the Philippines.  They are taking a step backwards.

You need to remember that Portugal is a rich developed nation, and the Philippines is a poor developing country. If you legalize the drugs in the Philippines, it may not yield the same results as they had in Portugal. On the other hand, I am afraid that it may increase the addiction rates among the teenagers.

[Vika0170]

I'm against violence and murder. I do not like the fact that the president decided to fight this problem with such harsh methods. You could just pinch the drug dealers in jail. His methods are very cruel and directed against a person

[Xester]

I'm against violence and murder. I do not like the fact that the president decided to fight this problem with such harsh methods. You could just pinch the drug dealers in jail. His methods are very cruel and directed against a person

Look who is talking?  First question, are you even live here in the Philippines?  It seems that you are not that concerned much but just merely saying your point of view that you are against violence and murder.  Talking about violence and murder, have you read or heard a news coming here in the Philippines were in a guy brutally raped a grandmother and her daughter and killed her grandchildren with multiple stabbed?  The suspect admitted that he took drugs before that incident.  It was just a trip or not planned, it just he feels like or have an urge to rape and kill, that is all nothing special it just he wants.  Now, who do you want to be killed?  Drug addicts who is the reason why the President of the Philippines wants to eliminate drugs here or the innocent one who were victims?  Now, directed against person?  Against the murdered and rapist?  If you are not a Filipinp, better to just be silent.  We like what our President is doing.

[freeyourmind]

I don't think we need to really wait much longer to see the impact of this policy.  It was decriminalized in 2001, so 16 years has passed, and there has not been an increase in drug use during this time, obviously less people thrown in prison, and diseases like HIV have also decreased significantly.

I'm not saying Portugal has done the perfect job, because it's only decriminalization.  Full legalization would yield even more benefits, because it will involve regulation and quality control of the actual product.  As long as you force people to get their drugs illegally, the real risk to their health is that the substance is not pure, and is either something different than what they're saying, or has been cut with other substances.  But all in all, decriminalization is a step forward in civil liberty, which is the opposite direction of the Philippines.  They are taking a step backwards.

You need to remember that Portugal is a rich developed nation, and the Philippines is a poor developing country. If you legalize the drugs in the Philippines, it may not yield the same results as they had in Portugal. On the other hand, I am afraid that it may increase the addiction rates among the teenagers.

Rich?  Portugal was on the verge of financial collapse a few years ago.  I agree that it is far more developed than the Philippines, but I'm not sure if that is a game changing difference.  The success in Portugal isn't because of wealth.

Let's talk about teenagers getting their hands on drugs.  First, if you're concerned about addiction, we can only talk about addictive substances.  But I agree in that we don't want kids having access to drugs.  Kids will have the hardest time acquiring a drug that is legal.  Think about tobacco or alcohol.  It is government regulated, distribution is regulated, and you need to show that you are an adult with ID in order to purchase either of them.  Now take a drug that has been made illegal.  It's not regulated and you need to get it from a drug dealer.  But a drug dealer may or may not care about selling drugs to a kid, due to the profit motive.  It is much easier for a kid to get his hands on weed than it is cigarettes.

So if that is your actual fear, you should be for the legalization and regulation of drugs, because the government can institute a system to distribute only to adults.

[bitblackred]

Your president is right. Get rid of drugs, as they spoil society. No one needs them for real

[Andrianla]

I strongly support this program, because the drug is very dangerous and very little benefit

[skymberloh]

Can the president of the Philippines can do it. Well I like what his doing in his campaign. It is very amazing program and very work program in the country. Many were discipline now because of him.

He can do it for sure because he is hardworking or making effort on his campaign. I wish for the best of him. Even if he is rudeness or bull headness sometimes. Atleast he is sincere all the time.

i strongly believe that the president can do it. Drug user ang drug syndicate are decreasing because of him.He is strict to discipline people as I can see nowadays many were affraid now to commit mistakes or do wrong things.

[Peregrines]

Can the president of the Philippines can do it. Well I like what his doing in his campaign. It is very amazing program and very work program in the country. Many were discipline now because of him.

yes he can do it. hes program really makes people to be discipline and  i believe our country will attaind drug free country if out leaders is like mr. president.

[mruls]

He disregards the sanctity of life and nullifies civil liberties in the name of what he believes to be just. He is also a massive hypocrite as he is addicted to (albeit medically prescribed) drugs himself. You are a fool if you believe drug use will not continue to exist. It will only be the vulnerable and powerless that are persecuted.

[rjbtc2017]

This will be successful IF the Government can really imprison and kill the Rich People who are behind in this Drug activities.
Can this administration do it? For the whole year of this campaign the answer is a NO, I hope for the following year
President Duterte can do this.

Exactly, I am not being negative here but i am just being a realistic.
I hope government will also find ways to create more jobs for the poor Filipinos.
There are many big people behind in the Drug Activity Industry, and President Duterte thinks that it can be easily solved?NO.
There is money in Drugs, don't expect that it will die down that easy.
The summary of people who died on this activity is either POOR or innocent (the rich can't be killed lol)

It will never be successful.  In order for a country to be drug free, every citizen needs to be against its use.  As long as there is ANY demand for drugs, and there will be, there will be an opportunity for profit.  As always, there will be some people that will seize this opportunity and become a supplier for the financial rewards that come with it.  If you think you can kill the supplier, then another supplier will take the last one's place.  And that will go on forever.  Don't you find it odd that the countries that fight the "drug war" the most, have the largest drug cartels?  A drug cartel cannot exist, unless strict prohibition exists.  As soon as you legalize drugs, the drug cartels lose their opportunity.  Unfortunately most people don't understand this very basic concept.

I think it's still possible though, but it may take a long time before it can happen, i hope Mr.President will not only focus on Drugs but Focus on the Philippines as a whole

Before thinking that it is possible, you should look into past attempts of drug prohibition in other countries over the last century.  The only success I have seen is an approach where you become liberal with recreational use of drugs.  Take Holland for example, you can walk into a shop in Amsterdam and buy cannabis or psilocybin mushrooms from a menu.  You know that the product is regulated with quality control, and that you don't have to worry about "getting caught".  Amsterdam doesn't have a drug problem.  In fact it is maybe the friendliest city I've been to, and I've done a decent amount of traveling.  And this isn't surprising, but their population has a very good understanding of drugs, because they haven't been fed a bunch of bullshit and fear mongering propaganda to manipulate the population.  From this thread alone, it's very easy to see that the Filipino posts are incredibly misinformed about the classes and effects of different substances.  They haven't been taught obviously, and evidently they haven't done their own research, nor do they care to.

On the other hand, you can look at America, who got really "tough" with drugs.  Remember Nixon coming up with "public enemy #1" as drugs in 1970?  Now that approach of not understanding much about drugs, and getting really tough, was an absolute failure.  Their prisons are overflowing and yet, they haven't solved their drug problem yet.  In fact the problem has gotten worse.

So ask yourself what is the Philippines doing differently that is going to allow it to succeed in this endeavor.  And the answer is they're not doing anything differently.  Dealing with drugs is not something the government or the police have the capability to deal with.  It is a medical issue and must be dealt with by people in the medical field.  You will never solve psychological or medical issues with force.

I'm strongly agree with you, but i'm still hoping that it can happen, even if it will take a long time.
I hope someday it will suppress a little ( well i hope so but drug activities are coming on off depending on the governments activities against it).

[Sithara007]

He disregards the sanctity of life and nullifies civil liberties in the name of what he believes to be just. He is also a massive hypocrite as he is addicted to (albeit medically prescribed) drugs himself. You are a fool if you believe drug use will not continue to exist. It will only be the vulnerable and powerless that are persecuted.

Do you think that Duterte bothers about your latest bout of verbal diarrhea? Do you have any evidence to prove that he is a drug addict himself? Sanctity of life must be there. But that shouldn't mean that the drug kingpins should be allowed to drown the Filipinos in meth and crack.
 

[freeyourmind]

This will be successful IF the Government can really imprison and kill the Rich People who are behind in this Drug activities.
Can this administration do it? For the whole year of this campaign the answer is a NO, I hope for the following year
President Duterte can do this.

Exactly, I am not being negative here but i am just being a realistic.
I hope government will also find ways to create more jobs for the poor Filipinos.
There are many big people behind in the Drug Activity Industry, and President Duterte thinks that it can be easily solved?NO.
There is money in Drugs, don't expect that it will die down that easy.
The summary of people who died on this activity is either POOR or innocent (the rich can't be killed lol)

It will never be successful.  In order for a country to be drug free, every citizen needs to be against its use.  As long as there is ANY demand for drugs, and there will be, there will be an opportunity for profit.  As always, there will be some people that will seize this opportunity and become a supplier for the financial rewards that come with it.  If you think you can kill the supplier, then another supplier will take the last one's place.  And that will go on forever.  Don't you find it odd that the countries that fight the "drug war" the most, have the largest drug cartels?  A drug cartel cannot exist, unless strict prohibition exists.  As soon as you legalize drugs, the drug cartels lose their opportunity.  Unfortunately most people don't understand this very basic concept.

I think it's still possible though, but it may take a long time before it can happen, i hope Mr.President will not only focus on Drugs but Focus on the Philippines as a whole

Before thinking that it is possible, you should look into past attempts of drug prohibition in other countries over the last century.  The only success I have seen is an approach where you become liberal with recreational use of drugs.  Take Holland for example, you can walk into a shop in Amsterdam and buy cannabis or psilocybin mushrooms from a menu.  You know that the product is regulated with quality control, and that you don't have to worry about "getting caught".  Amsterdam doesn't have a drug problem.  In fact it is maybe the friendliest city I've been to, and I've done a decent amount of traveling.  And this isn't surprising, but their population has a very good understanding of drugs, because they haven't been fed a bunch of bullshit and fear mongering propaganda to manipulate the population.  From this thread alone, it's very easy to see that the Filipino posts are incredibly misinformed about the classes and effects of different substances.  They haven't been taught obviously, and evidently they haven't done their own research, nor do they care to.

On the other hand, you can look at America, who got really "tough" with drugs.  Remember Nixon coming up with "public enemy #1" as drugs in 1970?  Now that approach of not understanding much about drugs, and getting really tough, was an absolute failure.  Their prisons are overflowing and yet, they haven't solved their drug problem yet.  In fact the problem has gotten worse.

So ask yourself what is the Philippines doing differently that is going to allow it to succeed in this endeavor.  And the answer is they're not doing anything differently.  Dealing with drugs is not something the government or the police have the capability to deal with.  It is a medical issue and must be dealt with by people in the medical field.  You will never solve psychological or medical issues with force.

I'm strongly agree with you, but i'm still hoping that it can happen, even if it will take a long time.
I hope someday it will suppress a little ( well i hope so but drug activities are coming on off depending on the governments activities against it).

Wanting a country to be drug free shouldn't be the goal.  Having your liberty to enjoy your life as you please as long as you bring no harm to others, is a much better goal for society.  That is to say, someone can use drugs recreationally within their own home, enjoy it, and not harm anyone.  Why have laws to put a person like that in jail?

Using drugs recreationally is not for everyone.  It requires mental discipline, moderation and responsibility.  Look at the art and music and innovation that has come people using drugs recreationally.  Imagine the sound of Jimi Hendrix...what would that be without psychedelics?  Guitar never sounded like that before him.  If he went down a different path, he'd probably work in a store or maybe go to college lol.

Of course there are other people that may not be mentally stable, may have addictive personalities and enjoy things in excess.  Psychoactive drugs are likely not going to benefit a person like that.  But why should all of society be punished for this?  And more importantly, even people like that can get their hands on drugs even if it's illegal.  These are the people that need to be informed the most, and require a support system so that they don't feel the need to escape into opioids. 

[RAB0818]

It is hard to cleanse a country that has been sick for a long time. Crimes are still rampant, riding in tandem, snatching are still there. But i believe he is truthful for his love for the country but it will take time to eradicate crime. And the government corruption? Ahhh i dont know man i think it will be a pain in the ass of our good President.

[loyseu]

Drug free in the PH is possible if and only if those on the higher position who protects drug lords who victims innocent people are being punished.

[SugoiSenpai]

The president is a smart leader, i believe in his capabilities to stop the drug dealers and users. Although it may take time for our country to be cleansed of drug users, i am still proud that someone is doing something to stop these criminals. Other president will have no response to this problem, drug abuse is the philippines main sickness, the only option for the drug dealers and user now are to change to be a better person or to die defending the pride.

[justin86]

Basically prohibiting drug usage does not solve anything. It is just a basic way.

[ruskytailz02]

Well, it's easier to control people with fear. But solving this problem with killings doesnt fix any single thing at all. He should start to wipe the inside not the outsind meaning start erasing the bad source not the users. Just my opinion.

[harizen]

Well, it's easier to control people with fear. But solving this problem with killings doesnt fix any single thing at all. He should start to wipe the inside not the outsind meaning start erasing the bad source not the users. Just my opinion.

Your opinion is a **** honestly. I want to respect your opinion but if it's not properly backed up then overall you are lack of knowledge.

Why blamed "he" was the one who are doing killings? Clearly you guys with the same thinking doesn't have an idea on what's happening here in our country. Im 100% satisfied with today's status compare to previous admins where you can illegal drugs transactions everywhere. Im happy now that my area are not like before where every night I can see suspicious people lurking around.

[carlisle1]

Well, it's easier to control people with fear. But solving this problem with killings doesnt fix any single thing at all. He should start to wipe the inside not the outsind meaning start erasing the bad source not the users. Just my opinion.

Your opinion is a **** honestly. I want to respect your opinion but if it's not properly backed up then overall you are lack of knowledge.

Why blamed "he" was the one who are doing killings? Clearly you guys with the same thinking doesn't have an idea on what's happening here in our country. Im 100% satisfied with today's status compare to previous admins where you can illegal drugs transactions everywhere. Im happy now that my area are not like before where every night I can see suspicious people lurking around.

its been a talk here with a lots of inputs but after this early days of the war against drugs I seen some sort of another rising here from our place after those
killings now another dealers has been showing and those addicted to drugs who already been mark  down by the government are now active again i'm just hoping that the president will seen this and make another move to liquidate those bastards that starting to sell this illegal drugs again.