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[P_Shep]

Also trying the vardiff server.
Seems to be working OK, but the avg diff readout has stopped working... stuck at 0.

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[Inaba]

The only way that can happen is if you stop submitting shares to any server.  Is the avg difficulty still giving you problems?

[P_Shep]

Oh, does it zero after a time?
I was expecting it to maybe reset every round or something

[Inaba]

Yes, it works on the same time frame window as your hashrate estimate, which is found in the lower left hand corner of your My Account page

[stevegee58]

I switched my 200 MH/s "rig" over to us3 to test variable diff.  Unsurprisingly my miner stats say 1.

I did notice that cgminer is reporting a higher WU than I'm used to seeing.  I usually get around 2.9 but it's 3.2 right now.  Maybe I just hit a lucky streak.
I'll report tomorrow morning after running it all night.

[stoppots]

"my 200 MH/s "rig""

I LOL'd
Sorry man, but as a small (slow) miner myself I found this funny.

[dave3]

Dave3: Those look in line with my testing.  Your speed reads a little high, but it's hard to gauge with only 15 minutes of testing.  How does it look after a couple hours?  What is your time estimation window set at?

The "Minutes to estimate miner Hashrate" is set to 15.

Here's an updated screenshot after it's been running longer.

Code:

 cgminer version 2.7.5 - Started: [2012-09-04 13:44:23]
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 (5s):1918.5 (avg):1597.9 Mh/s | Q:2601  A:11027  R:11  HW:0  E:424%  U:8.0/m
 TQ: 0  ST: 3  SS: 0  DW: 622  NB: 165  LW: 53329  GF: 1  RF: 0  WU: 22.5
 Connected to http://us3.eclipsemc.com:8437 with LP as user ---
 Block: 000005c839363eeee11f2a13eb0140d8...  Started: [12:33:53]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 [P]ool management [S]ettings [D]isplay options [Q]uit
 BFL 0:  58.2C         | 810.8/799.0Mh/s | A:5478 R:7 HW:2 U: 3.99/m
 BFL 1:  60.1C         | 811.0/798.9Mh/s | A:5549 R:4 HW:0 U: 4.04/m
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 [2012-09-05 12:31:53] Accepted 084073e0.55146c0e BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:32:04] Accepted 0192a157.deea61ea BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:32:04] Accepted 3bd8a050.a7007231 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:32:09] Accepted 209b5323.7481b00e BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:32:09] Accepted 13eac2c7.c8bb0af5 BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:32:25] Accepted 4c13f434.ba7d8adc BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:32:35] Accepted 545fb2cf.08271d9f BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:32:57] Accepted 48c16c81.7c6d0cb7 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:02] Accepted 2ece305f.5b90efe5 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:07] Accepted 4112cb7d.9a1f879f BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:18] Accepted 3a85fbe6.7a73650f BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:18] Accepted 0a681ce3.4fe75564 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:23] Accepted 3fc58053.6b5f6a17 BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:34] Accepted 4ff968b4.0509ef36 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:34] Accepted 18728d1c.981676a4 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:44] Accepted 1d3777db.7e26ecd3 BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:49] Accepted 01fc850d.ac37531e BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:33:53] LONGPOLL from pool 0 detected new block
 [2012-09-05 12:33:59] Accepted 0a5bff2c.c71a112f BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:34:09] LONGPOLL from pool 0 requested work restart
 [2012-09-05 12:34:20] Accepted 192a694d.a3e0ad10 BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:34:30] Accepted 30dbe2a9.05a6dcec BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:34:36] Accepted 09114230.b65e226a BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:35:03] BFL0: Error: Send work reports: NONCE-FOUND:C7ADA7B3

 [2012-09-05 12:35:05] BFL4: Garbled response probably throttling, clearing buffer
 [2012-09-05 12:35:08] BFL0: Comms error
 [2012-09-05 12:35:34] Accepted 0f81fe2c.f740e9e2 BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:35:41] Accepted 232d3f68.dbf5ca28 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:35:44] Accepted 2c2ef302.6c35d5bf BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:35:46] Accepted 32fb27d8.a34e2c76 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:36:02] Accepted 375b5ba0.742c5e64 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:36:13] Accepted 064eb8bc.c16ab480 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:36:18] Accepted 390daca5.c39d7158 BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:36:23] Accepted 175e562b.a4209fca BFL 0 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:36:32] Accepted 1e3a81a8.ac078e23 BFL 1 pool 0
 [2012-09-05 12:36:59] Accepted 4214dbe9.47f07dc6 BFL 1 pool 0

[kano]

Yep now with different difficulty shares, U now only means exactly what it's name is - shares per minute - but can't be compared to hash rates and with variable difficulty shares it makes it even harder to compare it to anything.

The number of interest on your screen is WU:

At 799MH/s you would expect a WU: of 11.16/m per BFL
You are getting 22.5/m for 2 BFL's so doing a small bit better due to luck.

The actual payout will be less than 22.5/m since 22.5/m includes rejected shares.
Unfortunately you don't know what those 11 rejected shares were - so you can only estimate them.
If Avg Diff is a true weighted average then 11 shares estimates to 27.7 diff 1 shares rejected out of the total.
... I've got no idea if it is a true weighted average - though of course Inaba should know - he wrote it

You can get the total shares sent to the pool from the API in 2.7.1 and later
(it's currently called 'Diff1 Shares' with the 'pools' API command - I've changed it to 'Diff1 Work' for the next release)
Or by multiplying WU: (if you only have one pool) times the elapsed time cgminer has been running.

Every time I see this I think the API needs a diff1 version of Accept, Reject, Stale ... to be added into cgminer ...

[stevegee58]

After running cgminer all night at 200 MH/s, WU reports 3.0.  I generally saw 2.9 in the past.  It's interesting I'm not sure what it means.

I noticed a higher than average reject rate however.  Usually I get like less than 0.5% rejects but overnight it was 1.09%

[Askit2]

Strange my reject was .1% and my overall difficulty was 1.548 overnight. Some shared did bleed over to US3 not variable but I setup a different worker for variable so that only that worker on the variable server uses it. All in all I think it works pretty good at 864mHs.

[stoppots]

[FLHippy]

With the variable difficulty server, I'm seeing a huge improvement over deepbit, Could just be a really lucky day.

Equipment - 3 MSI R7970 Lightning GPUs in Two Ubuntu machines dedicated to mining (USB thumbdrive setup)
Software - Ubuntu Linux 32bit / cgminer-2.6.5 --queue 2 --gpu-threads 2
Local Speeds - miner1/gpu 0 - 708.3 MH/s ---- miner2/gpu 0 690.5 MH/s ---- miner2/gpu 1 687.7 MH/s
Eclipse Reported Speed - ~2.0GH/s @ ~3.4diff

I collected some statistics from the 11 days before coming to try Eclipse MC.

11 Day combined Earnings 8.9945 BTC (0.8177 BTC / day ---- 0.0341 BTC / hour)
 - Deepbit (primary pool, 2 workers PROP) - Avg 0.7718 BTC / day
 - BTCGuild (Failover pool, 2 workers PPS) - Total 0.4715 BTC
 - Eclipse MC (Experimenting for a few hours) - Total 0.0331 BTC

Eclipse Var-Diff 24 hour earnings. (may include name coin income)
22:47  09/05/2012 1.14604199 BTC ---- +32.66% (DB) ---- +28.65% (Overall)

[Inaba]

I made some changes earlier today that fixed some rounding errors that resulted in 1diff users getting paid very slightly more than vardiff users.  The amounts were trivial, but would have drifted over time to produce a significant error.  I've been running a new test since then and will let it run over night, but so far the two different users are tracking payment rates almost exactly, so it's looking good.  If you are running a test, you may want to start a new baseline tonight and see what happens over night.  

I am doing the test on PPS, but it should also apply to DGM, though I will re-run the test on DGM once I'm satisfied PPS is tracking properly.

I appreciate the detailed records from people!  I help out a lot!

[organofcorti]

With the variable difficulty server, I'm seeing a huge improvement over deepbit, Could just be a really lucky day.

Equipment - 3 MSI R7970 Lightning GPUs in Two Ubuntu machines dedicated to mining (USB thumbdrive setup)
Software - Ubuntu Linux 32bit / cgminer-2.6.5 --queue 2 --gpu-threads 2
Local Speeds - miner1/gpu 0 - 708.3 MH/s ---- miner2/gpu 0 690.5 MH/s ---- miner2/gpu 1 687.7 MH/s
Eclipse Reported Speed - ~2.0GH/s @ ~3.4diff

I collected some statistics from the 11 days before coming to try Eclipse MC.

11 Day combined Earnings 8.9945 BTC (0.8177 BTC / day ---- 0.0341 BTC / hour)
 - Deepbit (primary pool, 2 workers PROP) - Avg 0.7718 BTC / day
 - BTCGuild (Failover pool, 2 workers PPS) - Total 0.4715 BTC
 - Eclipse MC (Experimenting for a few hours) - Total 0.0331 BTC

Eclipse Var-Diff 24 hour earnings. (may include name coin income)
22:47  09/05/2012 1.14604199 BTC ---- +32.66% (DB) ---- +28.65% (Overall)

If that's all from the same difficulty period, you'd expect ~ 0.871 coins per day. In fees you lose 3% for the deepbit coins and 5% for the BTCGuild coins, so before fees you would have earned ~ 0.873 coins. Pretty close to expected. The Eclipse earnings are 31% greater than expected. This likely variance since it was only over the course of one day and you were using a variable pool difficulty which will increase your variance somewhat. The fact that Eclipse has been quite lucky for the last six or so blocks is likely to have had a much greater influence if you're mining DGM.

[BlackPrapor]

Inaba, I had problems with rigs failing unreported, so I moved back to your pool and guess what I've found? Your pool doesn't report miner failures too. Not even an email. Email field on account page is also empty, I've tried to update that, but it keeps being empty. Also so far no sms for any kind of notification. Damn, I don't know which pool to go for not a single pool with notifos 

[wogaut]

Inaba,

thank you for including Diff10 in the "Top Miners" page. 

[LazyOtto]

Is the "Est Reward" on the "Account" page properly accounting for variable diff?

For me, it seems to be low by just about the ratio of the diffs your feeding me.

I.e., "Est Reward" * diff = estimated reward I'm expecting / have been getting per block.

-- edit

And "my earning" for the completed block was right in the range of my 'typical'.

Looks to me like the "Est Reward" merely isn't updated yet to handle accepted variable diff shares.

[Inaba]

Inaba, I had problems with rigs failing unreported, so I moved back to your pool and guess what I've found? Your pool doesn't report miner failures too. Not even an email. Email field on account page is also empty, I've tried to update that, but it keeps being empty. Also so far no sms for any kind of notification. Damn, I don't know which pool to go for not a single pool with notifos 

What time did this happen?  I was working on the email notifications last night and a couple got lost in the process of moving to a faster queueing system. 

They should be working now, though, are they not working for you?

Is the "Est Reward" on the "Account" page properly accounting for variable diff?

As far as I know it should be working.  Does your My Earning not track with your Estimated Reward?    This is for DGM, correct?  Estimated Reward has trouble with PPS for some reason and I still need to look into why that is.

[LazyOtto]

Is the "Est Reward" on the "Account" page properly accounting for variable diff?

As far as I know it should be working.  Does your My Earning not track with your Estimated Reward?    This is for DGM, correct?  Estimated Reward has trouble with PPS for some reason and I still need to look into why that is.

No, it did not.
You might have read my post before the edit which so stated.

I really don't have more to add other than the prior post.
Other than, yes, it is for DGM.

[FLHippy]

With the variable difficulty server, I'm seeing a huge improvement over deepbit.
Could just be a really lucky TWO days.

I collected some statistics from the 11 days before coming to try Eclipse MC.

11 Day combined Earnings 8.9945 BTC (0.8177 BTC / day)
 - Deepbit (primary pool, 2 workers PROP) - Avg 0.7718 BTC / day

Eclipse Var-Diff 48 hour earnings DGM. (may include name coin income)
22:47  09/05/2012 1.14604199 BTC +32.66% (DB) ---- +28.65% (Overall)
22:16  09/06/2012 1.0352091 BTC +25.45% (DB) ---- +21.01% (Overall) Difficulty increase