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July 11, 2013, 11:02:03 PM
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So we will know in 48 hours how much we will get back?

Yes, in 24h.

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July 11, 2013, 11:03:11 PM
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So we will know in 48 hours how much we will get back?

Yes, in 24h.

Good stuff. Looking forward to it. Appreciate the efforts being made by all
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July 12, 2013, 02:34:21 AM
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Glad to see I'll soon have my coins back! Smiley
Even though it wasn't much....

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July 12, 2013, 08:19:31 AM
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First promise wasn't kept (1 July),
second (11 July) wasn't kept too.
Now they say "maybe next friday", if everything is clear.
And everybody is happy with that, I'm not.

Since 2 years https://cryptox.pl low fees, no KYC.
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July 12, 2013, 08:28:29 AM
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First promise wasn't kept (1 July),
second (11 July) wasn't kept too.
Now they say "maybe next friday", if everything is clear.
And everybody is happy with that, I'm not.

You're welcome to drop by our office and explain to us how we should securely handle the distribution of a couple million dollars worth of virtual currency to a flock of anonymous users.

Any better ideas than having the users sign-off their claims themselves to ensure that everything is correct before sending out tons of money irrevocably over the internet ? Seriously, go for it, I'm listening.

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July 12, 2013, 08:30:45 AM
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First promise wasn't kept (1 July),
second (11 July) wasn't kept too.
Now they say "maybe next friday", if everything is clear.
And everybody is happy with that, I'm not.

You're welcome to drop by our office and explain to us how we should securely handle the distribution of a couple million dollars worth of virtual currency to a flock of anonymous users.

Any better ideas than having the users sign-off their claims themselves to ensure that everything is correct before sending out tons of money irrevocably over the internet ? Seriously, go for it, I'm listening.

Where is your office? Smiley
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July 12, 2013, 08:31:59 AM
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Where is your office? Smiley

170 Rue Raymond Losserand, 75014 Paris

Other questions ?

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July 12, 2013, 08:35:57 AM
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Where is your office? Smiley

170 Rue Raymond Losserand, 75014 Paris

Other questions ?

500 kilometers is too much, would have loved to drop by and get an interview about the matter in order to make things more clear for ppl Cheesy
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July 12, 2013, 08:36:39 AM
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First promise wasn't kept (1 July),
second (11 July) wasn't kept too.
Now they say "maybe next friday", if everything is clear.
And everybody is happy with that, I'm not.

You're welcome to drop by our office and explain to us how we should securely handle the distribution of a couple million dollars worth of virtual currency to a flock of anonymous users.

Any better ideas than having the users sign-off their claims themselves to ensure that everything is correct before sending out tons of money irrevocably over the internet ? Seriously, go for it, I'm listening.

Isn't that what the initial claim process was for, verifying who owned what and checking that the amount was correct?  Why do we now need to claim our claim?

Are you now claiming that to claim a claim that a claim must be reclaimed in order to claim that claim?
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July 12, 2013, 08:39:38 AM
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Isn't that what the initial claim process was for, verifying who owned what and checking that the amount was correct?  Why do we now need to claim our claim?

Are you now claiming that to claim a claim that a claim must be reclaimed in order to claim that claim?

Also, I briefly saw the "claim claim" screen yesterday, but it's gone again, was that in error or did I miss the window to claim my claim my claim my claim my claim?
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July 12, 2013, 08:41:03 AM
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Everything has been done in a way that it needed to be.

If they were just to send out the money they have for each wallet without first checking what would they do if there was a mistake.

Don't worry guys. Some people have faith.
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July 12, 2013, 08:46:55 AM
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Everything has been done in a way that it needed to be.

If they were just to send out the money they have for each wallet without first checking what would they do if there was a mistake.

Don't worry guys. Some people have faith.

I have faith too, I am sure davout & co will do what's right, and I also think the thoroughness IS a good idea.  Better safe than sorry.

What does puzzle me though is the large gap between the claim window closing and the processing required in order to put the final "claim claim" into motion - surely in all the preceding days the bulk of this processing could have been done ready for the initial claim window closure.

BUT, I am making the assumption that they didn't get several million conflicting claims to sift through on or near the very last day - the reality is that the only people who know are davout & co.  So I'll just shut up and be patient :-)
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July 12, 2013, 08:55:12 AM
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Why do we now need to claim our claim?

Nah, you don't "claim your claim".
You check the corrections we might have made to your balance.

An example of a case that needed a correction : if you've sent money out just before the site was taken down it didn't actually get sent but was deducted from your balance.
You should be able to get a refund based on a claim for the full amount, not the amount being deducted of a transaction that never happened.

So basically you check that we have made the corrections that we had to do and if you're ok with it you sign it off, there is no Ctrl+Z with Bitcoin, when money is sent it's sent. That's the reason we're going on the safe side.


was that in error or did I miss the window

Yes, it was an error. As explained you'll have 3 full months to sign your claim off. But if you do it during the next couple of days you'll get paid next Friday.

What does puzzle me though is the large gap between the claim window closing and the processing required in order to put the final "claim claim" into motion

The sign-off interface should be put online today, is it that big of a window ?
If someone reports a massive mistake on our side during the first seven days we'll have to recalculate everything, if not we're good.
If someone reports such a mistake afterwards we'll have less latitude to fix it so we'd really like it if we could send a massive transaction next Friday and forget about it.


surely in all the preceding days the bulk of this processing could have been done ready for the initial claim window closure.

Yes, the bulk was already handled.


BUT, I am making the assumption that they didn't get several million conflicting claims to sift through on or near the very last day - the reality is that the only people who know are davout & co.  So I'll just shut up and be patient :-)

Guess what, I don't know, I don't have access to the claims DB directly. The work on the Instawallet claims is clearly split among multiple people to ensure proper oversight.

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July 12, 2013, 02:39:21 PM
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The confirmation interface is up. Just visit your wallet URL.

Don't hesitate to your questions ask here, by e-mail or on IRC.

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July 12, 2013, 03:20:23 PM
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Hi Davout

Good things are moving on as planned. Smiley

First one i have checked says this:

Flagged for Review due to the large balance
This wallet has been flagged for review or further identification is needed before releasing a payout.

What does this mean for me?

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July 12, 2013, 04:14:29 PM
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Am pleased to report that everything looks good - have approved my claims on the interface.

Thanks Davout Smiley
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July 12, 2013, 06:07:14 PM
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Am pleased to report that everything looks good - have approved my claims on the interface.

Thanks Davout Smiley

Things are looking the same for me.

If, going forward when things are wrapped up, Bitcoin-Central can see their way clear to provide high quality and enlightening information about this crime and will pursue it with vigor, and if they have not been able to make large account holders whole...

...I will ear-mark 25% of whatever payout I get toward a fund to aimed toward offsetting said account holders losses.  My contribution would be around 5 BTC.  Nobody should have ever had more funds in Instawallet then they could afford to lose, and Bitcoin-Central should have made this as clear as Jav did when he implemented it, but it still sucks for those who lost out on this thing.  If there are any.

My offer is contingent on Bitcoin-Central demonstrating good will in a verifiable manner in part because the information only they can provide would be required for such an effort.  Indeed, if they can manage to do so I may even become a customer of theirs myself in leveraging their other services.


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July 12, 2013, 08:08:03 PM
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Just confirmed, fingers crossed!
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July 13, 2013, 07:58:40 AM
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Any idea on how the large wallets will be dealt with Davout?
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July 13, 2013, 09:14:05 AM
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I have also sent you PMs that have not been responded to. It looked like you were online when they were sent and was hoping for a quick reply given the nature of the messages.

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