Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[creativex]

Amateur...pro who cares. The bitfury chip is better than anything else out there at this time. This fact is not likely to change next month btw.

[Phoenix1969]

guess we shall see about that soon enough... 

[joae1975]

KNC mentioned in Life On Bitcoin's latest video.

http://www.youtube.com/v/GMsHpaHP9f0

[RoadStress]

Amateur...pro who cares. The bitfury chip is better than anything else out there at this time. This fact is not likely to change next month btw.

But the price makes it prohibitive unfortunately!

[creativex]

But the price makes it prohibitive unfortunately!

How so?

I'd like it cheaper obviously, but it's actually confirmed working and therefore a better bet to ship on time next month. The cost difference between a bitfury 400Gh rig ordered today and a knc jupiter ordered months ago is negligible, though I realize EU & US prices may differ. 

I'm looking at a possible knc order for November delivery depending on how they handle shipping. If they knock it out the park like bitfury did then it'll be a viable alternative.

[Beta-coiner1]

Seems to me to be the first truly reliably ASIC rig manufacturer. Gonna be busy aren't they?

Yeah,it seems it's gonna be an interesting few months and this is the first company to offer some real ASIC competition.

[Meizirkki]

They will need to have atleast few chips to test the chip itself. They must get a lot data from the actual chip - how can they ship a product to end-user that includes a chip that has only been simulated?
If they don't have chips to test yet, they will be late. Just like Bitfurys chip differed from the simulations kinda lot. Same with BFL. How would it be different with KNC? Really?

Valid point, bad comparison. Bitfury is playing in it's own league, being full custom ASIC. And we all know BFL didn't have realistic expectations for their chips.

Existing standard cell designs:
110nm = 8W/Gh (AM)
65nm = 4W/Gh (BFL)
28nm = ??

KnC sits on the right spot with their estimate of 1.8W/Gh so if only their chips work they should be good

Calling Bitfury an amateur is pretty rude IMO. Because their 65nm = 0.9W/Gh.

[xstr8guy]

Seems to me to be the first truly reliably ASIC rig manufacturer. Gonna be busy aren't they?

Yeah,it seems it's gonna be an interesting few months and this is the first company to offer some real ASIC competition.

Right, because Bitfury have done nothing?.. except deliver ASICs, on time, that worked as promised and at a reasonable price.

I'm starting to get a Ford/Chevy rivalry vibe coming from the KnC fanclub (of which I'm a proud member).  It's surprising to me how few of the posters in this thread even acknowledge the Bitfury Group.  Is 55nm so beneath everyone?

If nothing else, Bitfury and (hopefully) KnC are head-and-shoulders above what we've been used to dealing with.  And I feel sorry for the late-comers such as Cointerra, HashFast, etc.  They're going to have a very difficult time finding a spot on the mountain next to the new gods of ASIC.

[erk]

They will need to have atleast few chips to test the chip itself. They must get a lot data from the actual chip - how can they ship a product to end-user that includes a chip that has only been simulated?
If they don't have chips to test yet, they will be late. Just like Bitfurys chip differed from the simulations kinda lot. Same with BFL. How would it be different with KNC? Really?

Valid point, bad comparison. Bitfury is playing in it's own league, being full custom ASIC. And we all know BFL didn't have realisting expectations for their chips.

Existing standard cell designs:
110nm = 8Gh/W (AM)
65nm = 4Gh/W (BFL)
28nm = ??

KnC sits on the right spot with their estimate of 1.8Gh/W so if only their chips work they should be good

Calling Bitfury an amateur is pretty rude IMO.

BFL was a custom ASIC, and all your figures are wrong.

Avalon/AM 0.133GHs/W
BFL  0.157 GHs/Watt
KNC 0.8GHs/Watt
Bitfury 1GHs/Watt

Obviously if you overclock the figures will drop, and KNC say they have understated their performance, so it should be closer to Bitfury performance.

[xstr8guy]

They will need to have atleast few chips to test the chip itself. They must get a lot data from the actual chip - how can they ship a product to end-user that includes a chip that has only been simulated?
If they don't have chips to test yet, they will be late. Just like Bitfurys chip differed from the simulations kinda lot. Same with BFL. How would it be different with KNC? Really?

Valid point, bad comparison. Bitfury is playing in it's own league, being full custom ASIC. And we all know BFL didn't have realistic expectations for their chips.

Existing standard cell designs:
110nm = 8W/Gh (AM)
65nm = 4W/Gh (BFL)
28nm = ??

KnC sits on the right spot with their estimate of 1.8W/Gh so if only their chips work they should be good

Calling Bitfury an amateur is pretty rude IMO. Because their 65nm = 0.9W/Gh.

Bitfury 55nm = .9W/GH

How can KnC not be less than that with a process size 50% of Bitfury's chip?  Hopefully the simulations are wrong and KnC will over-deliver.

But I guess this bodes well for Bitfury ver.2.0. 

[Biomech]

They will need to have atleast few chips to test the chip itself. They must get a lot data from the actual chip - how can they ship a product to end-user that includes a chip that has only been simulated?
If they don't have chips to test yet, they will be late. Just like Bitfurys chip differed from the simulations kinda lot. Same with BFL. How would it be different with KNC? Really?

Valid point, bad comparison. Bitfury is playing in it's own league, being full custom ASIC. And we all know BFL didn't have realistic expectations for their chips.

Existing standard cell designs:
110nm = 8W/Gh (AM)
65nm = 4W/Gh (BFL)
28nm = ??

KnC sits on the right spot with their estimate of 1.8W/Gh so if only their chips work they should be good

Calling Bitfury an amateur is pretty rude IMO. Because their 65nm = 0.9W/Gh.

Wasn't intended to be rude, he said it himself that he had never designed an ASIC before.

I think that says a lot about the talent and dedication of the man, actually.

[the-skeptic]

So a question to the resident experts: If they are right on schedule and everything goes without a hitch, how long is it going to take them to slice/dice/package 10,000 or 20,000 quad-core processors?

[-Redacted-]

Using ultrasonic soldering, assembly of flip-chip packages can hit 20,000 per hour.  20K chips hardly warms up the machines - it's a very short order to be running...

[Paladin69]

Using ultrasonic soldering, assembly of flip-chip packages can hit 20,000 per hour.  20K chips hardly warms up the machines...

Is there a video of this process?

[sbfree]

[funny pic]

I dont think anyone sane questioned there would be chips, not after reading the press release by orsoc.

The last months this thread was FULL of trolls questioning that there will be chips. Sane or not it doesnt matter cause we all have seen it happen.

And even now they could state that its all a photoshop fake.

You see an idiot stays an idiot regardless what happens.

KnC wasn't the only target of scam accusation, I seem to remember an unwarranted plethora of abuse directed at myself relentlessly these last few months.

Apparently not only was I talking the truth, I knew the subject I was talking about, and really did have everyone's best interests at heart with respect to secured payments, and not being scammed.

I've also been correct with every single prediction i've made. Not bad to be fair, is it?

There's a few folks here that owe me an apology, and albeit even fewer that said they would have the balls to apologise when the time came. Well let's hear it please, i'm happy to forgive, but credit, where credit's due...

'Orama for president??

j/k......but as someone said, ORSOC was the key to all this and bitcoinorama YES you helped with all the info provided in regards to KNC. I for one will show my appreciation through a small bitcoin donation to bitcoinorama when my saturn starts cranking....looks like we are almost there.

COME ON KNC!

[bbxx]

Ignored.  Asshat who thinks he's a know-it-all.  Joins such illustrious members on that ignore list as Kuroth, Vigil, Eve, bbxx, and atomichaos....

+1

ignored, asshat!

Yeah great to be on cirkle jerks ignore list.
I am glad i sold my knc miner shares with profit though.

[the-skeptic]

Using ultrasonic soldering, assembly of flip-chip packages can hit 20,000 per hour.  20K chips hardly warms up the machines - it's a very short order to be running...

The picture KNC posted looks like a partially assembled (or maybe a completely assembled?) chip, does it not? I see orientation marks on the other four cores, which each appear to have 100 or so of those round things on them. What are those round marks, a solder connection point or something?

[Searing]

[funny pic]

I dont think anyone sane questioned there would be chips, not after reading the press release by orsoc.

The last months this thread was FULL of trolls questioning that there will be chips. Sane or not it doesnt matter cause we all have seen it happen.

And even now they could state that its all a photoshop fake.

You see an idiot stays an idiot regardless what happens.

KnC wasn't the only target of scam accusation, I seem to remember an unwarranted plethora of abuse directed at myself relentlessly these last few months.

Apparently not only was I talking the truth, I knew the subject I was talking about, and really did have everyone's best interests at heart with respect to secured payments, and not being scammed.

I've also been correct with every single prediction i've made. Not bad to be fair, is it?

There's a few folks here that owe me an apology, and albeit even fewer that said they would have the balls to apologise when the time came. Well let's hear it please, i'm happy to forgive, but credit, where credit's due...

heh..I was banned from BFL for pointing out that knc is taking cc direct and also that bfl was sending out disputed miner chargeback attempts with units rather then chargebacks....ie josh said that "mistake" has been fixed...and is not related to disputes heh ..so yeah I feel for you .....I may be misguided..but its hard for folks to accept stuff sometimes.......keep fighting the good fight  Searing

[Puppet]

The picture KNC posted looks like a partially assembled (or maybe a completely assembled?) chip, does it not? I see orientation marks on the other four cores, which each appear to have 100 or so of those round things on them. What are those round marks, a solder connection point or something?

they are solder balls. AFAICT, the picture floating around isnt a packaged chip yet, its a cut naked die that has been bumped (surface pads and flip chip solder balls added).
Next step is mounting that to a substrate, reflowing, adding underfill etc. Only then do you have what is generally called a "chip".

Here is a picture:



more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip_chip

[Meizirkki]

all your figures are wrong.

damn you were fast with your quote. I fixed my post in less than 2minutes.