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September 17, 2013, 04:31:02 PM
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I've given kano 2 btc in the past (almost $300), and now he's a jerk to me whenever I seek help trying to figure out how to get the zadig utility running.  So I switched to bfg.

Requiring zadig is stoopid.  There is no way to force it to recognize the file that cgminer provides.  I still never got a clear answer as to why Lukejr can recognize asics without zadig yet cgminer requires this.  The only answer I ever get is "check the readme".  Gets tired...
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September 17, 2013, 04:38:50 PM
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Open source is Open source,

If you cry about receiving free loot/payments/donations then don't make it open source.

Simple as that.

+1

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September 17, 2013, 04:52:22 PM
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Open source is Open source,

If you cry about receiving free loot/payments/donations then don't make it open source.

Simple as that.

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September 17, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
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Open source is Open source,

If you cry about receiving free loot/payments/donations then don't make it open source.

Simple as that.

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All you need on your open source page is "I will attempt to support all the devices I can, so any manufacturer donation equipment would further this along. Otherwise I happily take donations to buy hardware so that I may support it" Otherwise having OSS's it not much else you can do.
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September 17, 2013, 04:58:15 PM
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http://www.coindesk.com/kncminer-offers-free-speed-increase-first-bitcoin-miner-shipments/

Sam Cole, co-founder of KnCMiner, said the fabrication process of the chips has been completed and they are now on their way to an assembly house in Asia, before being shipped to KnCMiner’s offices in Sweden in around six days’ time

The more important bit of info from this is that, as believed by some of us here to begin with, KNC is having folks physically transport the chips during these transits, in order to bypass customs delays.

I'm sure someone will come up with new fears now. "These folks will take the chips and run!!!"

Not a bad idea! Wink

-> 25 wafer from a rocket lot
-> about 500 working chips @ 100 GH/s per wafer
-> market price today? $5 per GH/s?

$6M in small box somewhere in Asia! Wink


$5/Gh/s for a late october pre-order maybe.  For raw chips, in hand, today they could go for $20-30 million.  Assuming you could get PCBs made. And the correct software.

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September 17, 2013, 05:54:43 PM
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Open source is Open source,

If you cry about receiving free loot/payments/donations then don't make it open source.

Simple as that.

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All you need on your open source page is "I will attempt to support all the devices I can, so any manufacturer donation equipment would further this along. Otherwise I happily take donations to buy hardware so that I may support it" Otherwise having OSS's it not much else you can do.

THAT... was a completely douche bag comment. And anyone who +1'd shares that shame... This is the most ignorant comment I have seen on here to date. Perhaps you would like to pay Microsoft or some other BS For Profit company a licensing fee, so that you can pay them for each miner you install it on? sound good?...  Kano and ckolivas have saved each and every one of us that use his software what could potentially had been millions of dollars by not putting a price on his software.

Take the sticks out of your asses and show a little gratitude.
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September 17, 2013, 06:07:10 PM
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Open source is Open source,

If you cry about receiving free loot/payments/donations then don't make it open source.

Simple as that.

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All you need on your open source page is "I will attempt to support all the devices I can, so any manufacturer donation equipment would further this along. Otherwise I happily take donations to buy hardware so that I may support it" Otherwise having OSS's it not much else you can do.

THAT... was a completely douche bag comment. And anyone who +1'd shares that shame... This is the most ignorant comment I have seen on here to date. Perhaps you would like to pay Microsoft or some other BS For Profit company a licensing fee, so that you can pay them for each miner you install it on? sound good?...  Kano and ckolivas have saved each and every one of us that use his software what could potentially had been millions of dollars by not putting a price on his software.

Take the sticks out of your asses and show a little gratitude.

You are a complete moron if you think they are the only ones capable of designing such software.

You don't see Luke_Jr coming on here with a God Complex yelling that everyone should give him a free miner.

If he wanted to be paid for his services and not with "donations" he should have a licensing fee and then others would come along and make their own open source software.

Get your head out of their ass fanboy,

I'm grateful for his work but his attitude is total shit.

Amen, brother.  Truer words were never spoken.  Kano's attitude will soon enough drive everyone (except the fanboys such as Mr. Rizzmann) to BFGMiner.

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September 17, 2013, 06:09:25 PM
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I'm grateful for his work but his attitude is total shit.

meeh, sadly I must agree with you at this point.
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September 17, 2013, 06:10:21 PM
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I'm grateful for his work but his attitude is total shit.

meeh, sadly I must agree with you at this point.

I concur.
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September 17, 2013, 06:35:51 PM
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I'm grateful for his work but his attitude is total shit.

meeh, sadly I must agree with you at this point.

I concur.

Indeed, he'd never hold down a dev role IRL with an attitude as such...

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September 17, 2013, 06:45:57 PM
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Open source is Open source,

If you cry about receiving free loot/payments/donations then don't make it open source.

Simple as that.

+2
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All you need on your open source page is "I will attempt to support all the devices I can, so any manufacturer donation equipment would further this along. Otherwise I happily take donations to buy hardware so that I may support it" Otherwise having OSS's it not much else you can do.

THAT... was a completely douche bag comment. And anyone who +1'd shares that shame... This is the most ignorant comment I have seen on here to date. Perhaps you would like to pay Microsoft or some other BS For Profit company a licensing fee, so that you can pay them for each miner you install it on? sound good?...  Kano and ckolivas have saved each and every one of us that use his software what could potentially had been millions of dollars by not putting a price on his software.

Take the sticks out of your asses and show a little gratitude.

You are a complete moron if you think they are the only ones capable of designing such software.

You don't see Luke_Jr coming on here with a God Complex yelling that everyone should give him a free miner.

If he wanted to be paid for his services and not with "donations" he should have a licensing fee and then others would come along and make their own open source software.

Get your head out of their ass fanboy,

I'm grateful for his work but his attitude is total shit.

No one said shit about capability, if you would read before you spoke you would see that the comment was distinctly pointed at your asshole comment and its lack of any kind of gratitude whatsoever to someone who actually did something to contribute to the community. There are plenty of people out there that are very capable of creating software like cgminer, and are also very capable of charging you out the ass for it!

Regardless of if he is whining or not, a little appreciation is in order especially considering his work probably is and/or will be putting money into your pocket when your shiny new miner comes preconfigured with HIS software.

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... And yes, your damn right. I am a fanboy of anyone who gives me a product which is superior to every other option out there and doesn't charge me a dime for it...
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September 17, 2013, 07:02:25 PM
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http://www.coindesk.com/kncminer-offers-free-speed-increase-first-bitcoin-miner-shipments/

Sam Cole, co-founder of KnCMiner, said the fabrication process of the chips has been completed and they are now on their way to an assembly house in Asia, before being shipped to KnCMiner’s offices in Sweden in around six days’ time

The more important bit of info from this is that, as believed by some of us here to begin with, KNC is having folks physically transport the chips during these transits, in order to bypass customs delays.

Where exactly did you read that? I certainly dont read it in the quoted paragraph. "they" clearly refers to the chips and the verb "shipping" implies something else as travelling. Have you ever been "shipped" ?

you just exposed yourself as a clown AGAIN..  let's bet on KNC having personal couriers ok??  money where your brainfart right?

I think there MAY be misunderstanding here...  Just so it's clear, I gotta say this...When Sam says...
"KNC is having folks physically transport the chips during these transits, in order to bypass customs delays."... He is referring to incoming chips for the miners, NOT outgoing complete miners from Sweden to your home... Think about that for a second...     Tongue


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September 17, 2013, 07:35:34 PM
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http://www.coindesk.com/kncminer-offers-free-speed-increase-first-bitcoin-miner-shipments/

Sam Cole, co-founder of KnCMiner, said the fabrication process of the chips has been completed and they are now on their way to an assembly house in Asia, before being shipped to KnCMiner’s offices in Sweden in around six days’ time

The more important bit of info from this is that, as believed by some of us here to begin with, KNC is having folks physically transport the chips during these transits, in order to bypass customs delays.

Where exactly did you read that? I certainly dont read it in the quoted paragraph. "they" clearly refers to the chips and the verb "shipping" implies something else as travelling. Have you ever been "shipped" ?

you just exposed yourself as a clown AGAIN..  let's bet on KNC having personal couriers ok??  money where your brainfart right?

I think there MAY be misunderstanding here...  Just so it's clear, I gotta say this...When Sam says...
"KNC is having folks physically transport the chips during these transits, in order to bypass customs delays."... He is referring to incoming chips for the miners, NOT outgoing complete miners from Sweden to your home... Think about that for a second...     Tongue


You're correct, obviously.

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September 17, 2013, 07:42:40 PM
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i wonder how come it is just me who thinks with all the other companies shipping in the coming months the increase in diff will jump higher then 75%/months thus making all our orders, well.. useless..
This is not another diff/return post, but honestly we just reached 1PH the other day...Cointerra Expects to Deliver 2 PH/s in December which is ... emm 200% increase of today's diff + all the other manufacturers who of course might add another 2-4PH. Translated that would mean that the leveling of the difficulty will hit somewhere around February if we are lucky, and by that time your asic is only doing scraps.

Again i`m not looking for calculations, but maybe i`m missing something, or have i?

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September 17, 2013, 07:48:11 PM
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Wafer-chip... same thing.. wafer is just a whole bunch of chips not cut out..

And not packaged...
Not a small difference, ask BFL.

BFL ain't really a valid comparison. They did EVERYTHING bass ackwards, as near as I can tell.

The chips were designed in partnership with OrSOC, who already have a long standing agreement and history with the fabs. It is unlikely, due to past history, that they will have problems with customs. BFL and Avalon were unknowns to the authorities. One is a startup with a bad rep, the other a group of students with NO rep. OrSOC is an established entity with a decade of experience, and likely has dealt with the customs agents in the country of origin many times.

Also, on the Avalon side, there is a long standing enmity between the ROC and PRC, so they might hang up things coming from Taiwan to Hong Kong just because they can, whereas Taiwan and Sweden have no negative history, thus are less likely to be targeted.

All of the above, regarding customs, is speculation on my part, but it's based on my knowledge of the countries involved. I don't see it likely that customs will be a hangup. I have purchased things from Taiwan via internet directly to the US, a much longer delivery, and had NO problems. And I am not a well respected electronics design company or their affiliate. The possibility always exists, but it's pretty much worrying for the sake of worrying.

Further, all of these concerns apply to the other ASIC manufacturers as well. If customs is LIKELY to delay them, then they are likely to delay them all. Since KNC is the first on the market with 28nm, and if they are not hung up by externalities will be the second to deliver on promised time, then why sweat the externalities? It does your sleep no good at all.

I am not entirely convinced that Avalon really did have customs problems, other than the documented thing with PSU's. They acted in a distinctly shady manner after batch 1, so it could be a CYA move on their part to blame customs. FWIW.

If one is delayed by customs out of taiwan, it's likely all will be if they use that fab. If they aren't, then the only delays are internal. They claim to be on track to avoid the internal ones. We're looking at about a week and a half according to that update. CHILL.

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September 17, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
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i wonder how come it is just me who thinks with all the other companies shipping in the coming months the increase in diff will jump higher then 75%/months thus making all our orders, well.. useless..
This is not another diff/return post, but honestly we just reached 1PH the other day...Cointerra Expects to Deliver 2 PH/s in December which is ... emm 200% increase of today's diff + all the other manufacturers who of course might add another 2-4PH. Translated that would mean that the leveling of the difficulty will hit somewhere around February if we are lucky, and by that time your asic is only doing scraps.

Again i`m not looking for calculations, but maybe i`m missing something, or have i?

Yeah you dont understand how asic mining market works. Let me explain: you place a preorder with any of a dozen manufacturers that combined are promising in excess of 10PH this year alone. The company you place your order with is obviously among the one or two companies that will indeed ship roughly as promised, the rest are just selling vaporware,  and you will be among the first to receive your unit. So you make a killer profit and everybody else gets screwed. Thats how it works.. for ahm.. for everyone. Get it ?
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Josh about the knc announcment  Cheesy
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Josh about the knc announcment  Cheesy

The irony; someone who has proven consistently grasp the meaning of 'two weeks', still claiming to have an understanding of 'two weeks'. Grin

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36 members strong at the 50btc KNCMiner team! However only about 6 are doing any hashing/submitting shares. Join up but actually start hashing please!!!

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BFL ain't really a valid comparison. They did EVERYTHING bass ackwards, as near as I can tell.

Sure, but thats easy to say after the facts. You can dismiss BFL track record all you want, fact is no one so far has managed to deploy, let alone ship a bitcoin miner in anything remotely close to 2 weeks after receiving first silicon (heck, I cant think of ANY consumer computing device); and I will be quite surprised if anyone will. KNC may not screw up as badly as BFL did, they may achieve a minor miracle, or they may screw up much worse than BFL; fact is they havent proven shit yet so far and their timeline seems every bit as fantastical to me as Josh's endless updates with "2-4 week" promises.

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Further, all of these concerns apply to the other ASIC manufacturers as well.

Absolutely; Im also not believing the promised mass shipments in december from companies that havent even taped out yet today. The sad reality is that over-promising earns you a lot more money in the current market than over delivering.
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