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September 20, 2013, 03:46:28 PM
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I try to answer this with another post I made.

I bought 2 starter kits for August delivery and paid 1.000€ each, got them on September 4th and mined a bit more than 3 BTC with them until today. Two other investments are in limbo, one huge in semi-limbo with 20%, maybe 100% loss, waiting for refund, and the final two refunded after several months, one of them with 9% loss. All money I put in came from own labour.

So the BFSB investment is the only one, that actually brings me back something. And this makes me very, very happy. If I get a ROI? I do already! If I ever break even? Only time will tell  Smiley
I only know the product and the company behind it are rock solid, tell me one other this can be said of. Thats why I reinvested.

Is that all you mined?  I bought two starters, got them around the same time, but I've mined almost 16 coins.  I'm up to .52 BTC already today and it's still only 10:30 in the morning.  I should see another Slush and BTCG payout by the end of today, as well.

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TRUE   2013-09-20T09:07:36   Received with   BTC Guild (mining)         0.25
TRUE   2013-09-20T09:02:23   Received with   Slush's pool (mining)      0.2509495
TRUE   2013-09-20T00:08:20   Received with   HHTT                          0.02167634
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So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?

The question came to mind seeing the Beaglebone PSU connector.  About your tone....



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September 20, 2013, 03:54:25 PM
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So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?

The question came to mind seeing the Beaglebone PSU connector.  About your tone....

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just look at it differently. My take is to simplify things, they would have an onboard power source for the BB.

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September 20, 2013, 04:04:03 PM
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So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?

The question came to mind seeing the Beaglebone PSU connector.  About your tone....

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just look at it differently. My take is to simplify things, they would have an onboard power source for the BB.

Another valid engineering perspective would be 'to make it less expensively, let's not have an onboard power source for the BB.'

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September 20, 2013, 04:11:30 PM
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So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?

The question came to mind seeing the Beaglebone PSU connector.  About your tone....

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just look at it differently. My take is to simplify things, they would have an onboard power source for the BB.

Another valid engineering perspective would be 'to make it less expensively, let's not have an onboard power source for the BB.'


The cost of a DC:DC regulator, especially by the reel, is on the order of pennies, or fractions of a penny depending on what you get. They already said the only power connections to be made will be PCIE. They're going with a KIS method for this. Plugging up an extra power cord adds complexity and time, especially for rig-testing. I'd wager they're willing to spend the .005 cents on the PCB components for onboard power.

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September 20, 2013, 04:18:42 PM
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For bitbet, does it count if shipped starts at the end of September or does it have to be delivered to your door? Also, hosting.

I think it's possible that KNC will start shipping at the end of September, thus the actual rigs arriving early October.
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September 20, 2013, 04:20:41 PM
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So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?

The question came to mind seeing the Beaglebone PSU connector.  About your tone....

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just look at it differently. My take is to simplify things, they would have an onboard power source for the BB.

Another valid engineering perspective would be 'to make it less expensively, let's not have an onboard power source for the BB.'


The cost of a DC:DC regulator, especially by the reel, is on the order of pennies, or fractions of a penny depending on what you get. They already said the only power connections to be made will be PCIE. They're going with a KIS method for this. Plugging up an extra power cord adds complexity and time, especially for rig-testing. I'd wager they're willing to spend the .005 cents on the PCB components for onboard power.

It's obvious you have never worked on a design for mass production.  Eliminating a DC-DC regulator and associated circuitry would typically be considered a massive win for manufacturing.


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September 20, 2013, 04:22:49 PM
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Gee, Wally.... Maybe we can find 5 volts somewhere on the PC power supply that we've already paid for.
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September 20, 2013, 04:24:33 PM
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For bitbet, does it count if shipped starts at the end of September or does it have to be delivered to your door? Also, hosting.

I think it's possible that KNC will start shipping at the end of September, thus the actual rigs arriving early October.

Well, for my part I will post pics of my jupiter hashing at a (temporary) private place the same day they start shipping (Day 1 pickup) if they deliver in September (unless they deliver like at midnight the 30th...). So you only need 4 more. I think Orama is also going for a pick up from what I understood from glancing at this (long) thread? And some other guy? We could try to organise something.

 

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September 20, 2013, 04:24:51 PM
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So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?

The question came to mind seeing the Beaglebone PSU connector.  About your tone....

I wasn't trying to be rude, I just look at it differently. My take is to simplify things, they would have an onboard power source for the BB.

Another valid engineering perspective would be 'to make it less expensively, let's not have an onboard power source for the BB.'


The cost of a DC:DC regulator, especially by the reel, is on the order of pennies, or fractions of a penny depending on what you get. They already said the only power connections to be made will be PCIE. They're going with a KIS method for this. Plugging up an extra power cord adds complexity and time, especially for rig-testing. I'd wager they're willing to spend the .005 cents on the PCB components for onboard power.

It's obvious you have never worked on a design for mass production.  Eliminating a DC-DC regulator and associated circuitry would typically be considered a massive win for manufacturing.

No I haven't worked an electronics assembly line, nor have I managed an electronics-production line, nor have I done large scale electronics design. I have overseen mass distribution though. I have designed circuitry. These guys make it a business to do the same, and from what hints they've dropped, they appear to have gone the route I suspect.

Again as mentioned previously, their profit margin is well over 50%, likely 70% for these units. They're not too worried about their cost. They already have the boards, and are tested. This eliminates production time as a factor for delivery. They stated the only power connections would be PCIE. This hints there will be on board regulation.

So whether I've worked or designed as you propose is moot, especially if my understanding of their hints is correct.

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No I haven't worked an electronics assembly line, nor have I managed an electronics-production line, nor have I done large scale electronics design. I have overseen mass distribution though. I have designed circuitry. These guys make it a business to do the same, and from what hints they've dropped, they appear to have gone the route I suspect.

Again as mentioned previously, their profit margin is well over 50%, likely 70% for these units. They're not too worried about their cost. They already have the boards, and are tested. This eliminates production time as a factor for delivery. They stated the only power connections would be PCIE. This hints there will be on board regulation.

So whether I've worked or designed as you propose is moot, especially if my understanding of their hints is correct.

You said:


So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?


I'm just pointing out that there are two equally valid engineering perspectives here, and KNC could go either way - but your tone in the above quote suggests that there is not.

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September 20, 2013, 04:32:58 PM
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No I haven't worked an electronics assembly line, nor have I managed an electronics-production line, nor have I done large scale electronics design. I have overseen mass distribution though. I have designed circuitry. These guys make it a business to do the same, and from what hints they've dropped, they appear to have gone the route I suspect.

Again as mentioned previously, their profit margin is well over 50%, likely 70% for these units. They're not too worried about their cost. They already have the boards, and are tested. This eliminates production time as a factor for delivery. They stated the only power connections would be PCIE. This hints there will be on board regulation.

So whether I've worked or designed as you propose is moot, especially if my understanding of their hints is correct.

You said:


So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?


I'm just pointing out that there are two equally valid engineering perspectives here, and KNC could go either way - but your tone in the above quote suggests that there is not.


The possibility can certainly go either way -- the probability is that they likely have an on board regulator. Perhaps that helps explain my text-based tone better.

If I am wrong, I will certainly tip my hat your way.

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No I haven't worked an electronics assembly line, nor have I managed an electronics-production line, nor have I done large scale electronics design. I have overseen mass distribution though. I have designed circuitry. These guys make it a business to do the same, and from what hints they've dropped, they appear to have gone the route I suspect.

Again as mentioned previously, their profit margin is well over 50%, likely 70% for these units. They're not too worried about their cost. They already have the boards, and are tested. This eliminates production time as a factor for delivery. They stated the only power connections would be PCIE. This hints there will be on board regulation.

So whether I've worked or designed as you propose is moot, especially if my understanding of their hints is correct.

You said:


So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.

You're questioning whether an engineering team with proven designs is going to forget to put a voltage regulator in place so a daughterboard can handle lower voltages?

Seriously?


I'm just pointing out that there are two equally valid engineering perspectives here, and KNC could go either way - but your tone in the above quote suggests that there is not.


The possibility can certainly go either way -- the probability is that they likely have an on board regulator. Perhaps that helps explain my text-based tone better.

If I am wrong, I will certainly tip my hat your way.

It's not clear to me what you are basing your 'probability' estimate on.  I can't claim to know what KNC will do, but my experience suggests that they would actually be MUCH more likely to go for less cost/complexity vs. adding a 'might be nice' feature.

In either case, you were not justified in addressing Soy's post as if it was ridiculous.  It wasn't. And that was why I replied.

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It's not clear to me what you are basing your 'probability' estimate on.  I can't claim to know what KNC will do, but my experience suggests that they would actually be MUCH more likely to go for less cost/complexity vs. adding a 'might be nice' feature.

In either case, you were not justified in addressing Soy's post as if it was ridiculous.  It wasn't. And that was why I replied.


I'm basing my probability on what KNC has said:

* PCIE will be the only power connection (12vdc)
* They will be keeping connections to a minimum for simplicity

I addressed Soy that way likely because it seemed like he was concerned they forgot about powering the BB at all. That's the angle I took from it. If I misread it, then that's just egg on my shoe I suppose.

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Well, for my part I will post pics of my jupiter hashing at a private place the same day they start shipping (Day 1 pickup) if they deliver in September (unless they deliver like at midnight the 30th...). So you only need 4 more. I think Orama is also going for a pick up from what I understood from glancing at this (long) thread? And some other guy? We could try to organise something.

 



Definitely. I'm hosting so I could ask them for email verification or something? Or a screenshot of it hashing and whatnot
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So, there will be PCIE-8 connectors for 12vdc to the main board but does the Beaglebone take 5vdc?  Is there a 12v-5v switching down converter onboard or will the Beaglebone always require a separate 5vdc supply?  I can see how one might first apply the 5vdc, login, configure the miner, then fire up the 12vdc but an onboard converter would preclude two PSUs given the device can already have been configured.
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September 20, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
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The shortcut that they took is that they are trusting the DESIGN.  They didn't waste a couple of months doing a 'test batch' to verify the design.  They never hinted that they were taking any other shortcuts in assembly.  NONE.  Some of us need to check our medication.
never hinted?... "Time to market is everything in this business after all. We have also broken a few speed records in this business to bring a design to market in the fastest time possible."


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September 20, 2013, 05:27:00 PM
 #10098

The shortcut that they took is that they are trusting the DESIGN.  They didn't waste a couple of months doing a 'test batch' to verify the design.  They never hinted that they were taking any other shortcuts in assembly.  NONE.  Some of us need to check our medication.
never hinted?... "Time to market is everything in this business after all. We have also broken a few speed records in this business to bring a design to market in the fastest time possible."
I don't read that as a hint that they are taking shortcuts. 
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September 20, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
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I know it's probably too early to tell, but it seems like increase in hashrate since the last difficulty jump has tapered off a little bit.  Anyone else notice that?  
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September 20, 2013, 05:43:31 PM
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I know it's probably too early to tell, but it seems like increase in hashrate since the last difficulty jump has tapered off a little bit.  Anyone else notice that?  

Janitor probably ran over a cat5 cable somewhere.

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