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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 2 (1.6%)
<$6,500 - 7 (5.7%)
$6,500-$6,750 - 1 (0.8%)
$6,751-$7,000 - 2 (1.6%)
$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.4%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (4.9%)
$7,501-$7,750 - 4 (3.3%)
$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (9.8%)
$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (10.6%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 6 (4.9%)
$8,501-$8,750 - 6 (4.9%)
$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (8.9%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 12 (9.8%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 13 (10.6%)
>$9,500 - 16 (13%)
$20,000 - 9 (7.3%)
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April 01, 2018, 12:50:18 PM

While its obvious we are in a bear market,

Really? Bearwhales will run out of ammo soon and we'll climb back up to at least 5 digits. Then around June-July we'll see a new ATH and we'll moon in October-November or so.  Cool

I think bearwhales play in fiat-settled assets (paper claims on actual bitcoin), as yefi recently suggested:

When bankers run the world behind the scenes controlling the laws and the money printing presses they can own and control anything they wish too.

Bitcoin isn't a problem you can print your way out of. All it will achieve (or all it has achieved) is to make the believers richer and more resolute.

What they want to do is divert money away into paper claims on bitcoins - but they're going to face difficulty on that front.

If so, they won't "run out of ammo" as long as they can print their ammo.

That's why I think the only way to disarm them and let the market run as unencumbered as possible is to have bitcoin-settled derivatives (futures, options, whatever). If and when these become dominant in the derivative market, whales will need to get themselves lots of coin before playing any game, or they will need lots of lots of coins after playing a game and losing it.

(I'm not picking on you, serveria. On the contrary, your posts offered me the most inspiration for a reply.)


The only way to disarm them is to BTFD and HODLCRAEFUYLLY!  Nothing else can shake them out or this game.

Unfortunately it's not possible as there's still a lot of weak hands, panic sellers and most notably miners who need to sell regularly for a living....
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Didn 't the CME boss say something like : "We are going to tame Bitcoin", when asked about BTC volatillity ?
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April 01, 2018, 12:56:20 PM

While its obvious we are in a bear market,

Really? Bearwhales will run out of ammo soon and we'll climb back up to at least 5 digits. Then around June-July we'll see a new ATH and we'll moon in October-November or so.  Cool

I think bearwhales play in fiat-settled assets (paper claims on actual bitcoin), as yefi recently suggested:

When bankers run the world behind the scenes controlling the laws and the money printing presses they can own and control anything they wish too.

Bitcoin isn't a problem you can print your way out of. All it will achieve (or all it has achieved) is to make the believers richer and more resolute.

What they want to do is divert money away into paper claims on bitcoins - but they're going to face difficulty on that front.

If so, they won't "run out of ammo" as long as they can print their ammo.

That's why I think the only way to disarm them and let the market run as unencumbered as possible is to have bitcoin-settled derivatives (futures, options, whatever). If and when these become dominant in the derivative market, whales will need to get themselves lots of coin before playing any game, or they will need lots of lots of coins after playing a game and losing it.

(I'm not picking on you, serveria. On the contrary, your posts offered me the most inspiration for a reply.)


The only way to disarm them is to BTFD and HODLCRAEFUYLLY!  Nothing else can shake them out or this game.

Unfortunately it's not possible as there's still a lot of weak hands, panic sellers and most notably miners who need to sell regularly for a living....

There is always hope...   We need to educate them!

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April 01, 2018, 12:58:49 PM



Didn 't the CME boss say something like : "We are going to tame Bitcoin", when asked about BTC volatillity ?


Dont sell your coins to the fucking bankers!

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April 01, 2018, 01:00:29 PM

So many pigs in here, trying to hope a trend reversal out of nothing. Just like in 2014.

2014 went up a 100% during one 3 month period. Did you forget that, or are you just blabbering something just to hear yourself talk?

What I remember about 2014 and 2015 were all the beartards chanting "$99, $99, $99." It was incessant and for months and months. Meanwhile smart people - like myself divested into small upstart cryptos and three years later were rewarded with 25000%+ gains.

So, yeah, I love a mutha fuck'n bear market as much as the next guy. I'm just not stupid about it.

windjc gave excellent advice back then.  I remember clearly, thinking it was probably a good idea to follow.  Wish I had  Tongue

Windjc is one of the best here. His long term views and shorter term calls are always worth hearing.

The other guy, not so much.
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Everybody will say here this is tin-foil hat conspiracy theory.

But central banks can print money out of tin air, provoking inflation, which is in turn masked by the media.

You can see that people are always FUDing about tether, saying that is illegal and immoral for Ifinex to print it without a dollar equivalent, like it was a stupendous crime againt humanity.

However, when its central banks doing exactly the same, nobody cares.

So such cartels can run free. Thats how they dumped the gold market. Remember that a hundred years ago, gold was a store of value, and used as a protection against financial tyranny.

Now they are doing the same with crypto.

They print money out of tin air, buy bitcoin, then sell at low prices. Since every financial crisis is planned, this is good for their goals.

But hey, its a conspiracy. Trust the state and the banks, lets FUD about the immoral tether.

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April 01, 2018, 01:06:28 PM

So many pigs in here, trying to hope a trend reversal out of nothing. Just like in 2014.

2014 went up a 100% during one 3 month period. Did you forget that, or are you just blabbering something just to hear yourself talk?

What I remember about 2014 and 2015 were all the beartards chanting "$99, $99, $99." It was incessant and for months and months. Meanwhile smart people - like myself divested into small upstart cryptos and three years later were rewarded with 25000%+ gains.

So, yeah, I love a mutha fuck'n bear market as much as the next guy. I'm just not stupid about it.

windjc gave excellent advice back then.  I remember clearly, thinking it was probably a good idea to follow.  Wish I had  Tongue

Windjc is one of the best here. His long term views and shorter term calls are always worth hearing.

The other guy, not so much.

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April 01, 2018, 01:07:50 PM

While its obvious we are in a bear market,

Really? Bearwhales will run out of ammo soon and we'll climb back up to at least 5 digits. Then around June-July we'll see a new ATH and we'll moon in October-November or so.  Cool

I think bearwhales play in fiat-settled assets (paper claims on actual bitcoin), as yefi recently suggested:

When bankers run the world behind the scenes controlling the laws and the money printing presses they can own and control anything they wish too.

Bitcoin isn't a problem you can print your way out of. All it will achieve (or all it has achieved) is to make the believers richer and more resolute.

What they want to do is divert money away into paper claims on bitcoins - but they're going to face difficulty on that front.

If so, they won't "run out of ammo" as long as they can print their ammo.

That's why I think the only way to disarm them and let the market run as unencumbered as possible is to have bitcoin-settled derivatives (futures, options, whatever). If and when these become dominant in the derivative market, whales will need to get themselves lots of coin before playing any game, or they will need lots of lots of coins after playing a game and losing it.

(I'm not picking on you, serveria. On the contrary, your posts offered me the most inspiration for a reply.)


The only way to disarm them is to BTFD and HODLCRAEFUYLLY!  Nothing else can shake them out or this game.

Unfortunately it's not possible as there's still a lot of weak hands, panic sellers and most notably miners who need to sell regularly for a living....
That's why hodling might be enough for self peace of mind, keeping losses low and providing happy returns.

But it's not enough to stop the powers that be from playing their game, even if they are low on coin. If they do have coin, fair enough, they can try to do whatever they like, as far as that coin changes hands when things go against them. If they don't, they can still use the fiat in their deep pockets to do the same, without any practical medium-term limit. Just print more if/when needed - ok, right, it's "when", not "if".

The only way to have a playground that is as fair as possible is to ban fiat settled paper coins (derivatives).

Not happening any time soon - or ever - I know.
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Everybody will say here this is tin-foil hat conspiracy theory.

But central banks can print money out of tin air, provoking inflation, which is in turn masked by the media.

You can see that people are always FUDing about tether, saying that is illegal and immoral for Ifinex to print it without a dollar equivalent, like it was a stupendous crime againt humanity.

However, when its central banks doing exactly the same, nobody cares.

So such cartels can run free. Thats how they dumped the gold market. Remember that a hundred years ago, gold was a store of value, and used as a protection against financial tyranny.

Now they are doing the same with crypto.

They print money out of tin air, buy bitcoin, then sell at low prices. Since every financial crisis is planned, this is good for their goals.

But hey, its a conspiracy. Trust the state and the banks, lets FUD about the immoral tether.


Bitcoin has a secret weapon, it is call scarcity!

Take those coins away from the market and they will need to pump it again to shake the tree.  Grin



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April 01, 2018, 01:20:10 PM

But we (bitcoiners) can manipulate the market ourselves. Let's just all agree not to sell a single satoshi for say one month. But like really everyone should participate. If you hodl for a month the stock gets really limited and you can sell later at a higher price and you receive your interest as the price would go up. If you hodl for two months you get more and so on...  I know that's utopia but still...  Roll Eyes

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Everybody will say here this is tin-foil hat conspiracy theory.

But central banks can print money out of tin air, provoking inflation, which is in turn masked by the media.

You can see that people are always FUDing about tether, saying that is illegal and immoral for Ifinex to print it without a dollar equivalent, like it was a stupendous crime againt humanity.

However, when its central banks doing exactly the same, nobody cares.

So such cartels can run free. Thats how they dumped the gold market. Remember that a hundred years ago, gold was a store of value, and used as a protection against financial tyranny.

Now they are doing the same with crypto.

They print money out of tin air, buy bitcoin, then sell at low prices. Since every financial crisis is planned, this is good for their goals.

But hey, its a conspiracy. Trust the state and the banks, lets FUD about the immoral tether.


Bitcoin has a secret weapon, it is call scarcity!

Take those coins away from the market and they will need to pump it again to shake the tree.  Grin



Yes but that is equally true for gold and to a lesser extend other PM's. And since their weapon of choice is paper, it is an unequal battle. I heard and read many many times that we should buy their paper gold and then redeem the real stuff in order to bring them down. Only, the few people who actually tried to have their contracts settled in physical, had a rather cold experience... . (So far at least). Now of course, why would someone want to have paper gold in any way ?
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Herewe go. Another shove down.
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April 01, 2018, 01:25:40 PM

Herewe go. Another shove down.

Fucking tiresome!
Still too high to buy though when you’re already sitting on a healthy stash. If it goes down to $2000 - $3000 I’m emptying my fiat savings accounts & pumping it all into bitcoin.
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Bitcoin has a secret weapon, it is call scarcity!

Take those coins away from the market and they will need to pump it again to shake the tree.  Grin



Not when they can provoke a massive panic selling, making the price drop to uncanny and unimaginable low levels.

Remember, they can print fiat money out of nowhere and at any time. Fiat money for them is infinite, and that's where most people base their perception of value.

The ensuing crisis from so much printing will be blamed on crypto, prompting legal persecution against it.

They were able to manipulate the price to below 8k in a matter of months. And this with only 10% of volume in the exchanges, the rest locked in personal wallets.

The solution is for the exchanges to create a private conclave and put a stop to it, blocking any trade below the mining value, with full authority and in a very artificial and biased way. This should be a international private conclave to protect crypto against the sharks from the banks and governments.
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Everybody will say here this is tin-foil hat conspiracy theory.

But central banks can print money out of tin air, provoking inflation, which is in turn masked by the media.

You can see that people are always FUDing about tether, saying that is illegal and immoral for Ifinex to print it without a dollar equivalent, like it was a stupendous crime againt humanity.

However, when its central banks doing exactly the same, nobody cares.

So such cartels can run free. Thats how they dumped the gold market. Remember that a hundred years ago, gold was a store of value, and used as a protection against financial tyranny.

Now they are doing the same with crypto.

They print money out of tin air, buy bitcoin, then sell at low prices. Since every financial crisis is planned, this is good for their goals.

But hey, its a conspiracy. Trust the state and the banks, lets FUD about the immoral tether.


Bitcoin has a secret weapon, it is call scarcity!

Take those coins away from the market and they will need to pump it again to shake the tree.  Grin



Yes but that is equally true for gold and to a lesser extend other PM's. And since their weapon of choice is paper, it is an unequal battle. I heard and read many many times that we should buy their paper gold and then redeem the real stuff in order to bring them down. Only, the few people who actually tried to have their contracts settled in physical, had a rather cold experience... . (So far at least). Now of course, why would someone want to have paper gold in any way ?


Not really, there is no deliverable on BTC futures.  The only way to get BTC is in the BTC markets.  They can battle with their fiat but we just need people to buy and HODL.  Scarcity will win the game.  It may take some time. Tongue
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April 01, 2018, 01:33:24 PM

Oh... bleeding to the bottom again...
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April 01, 2018, 01:35:45 PM

I wonder, how many of those "HOLD BITCOIN, YEAH!" accounts are actually just sock puppets of old coin holders, who are themselves unloading their coins on the market and cheering for everyone else to hold value in the meantime.
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April 01, 2018, 01:41:32 PM

My SOMA Prediction(TM) for the day.

Based on highly scientific hunches, sophisticated 4-dimensional technical analysis, barbershop and shoeshine boy brainstorming, and mainly on carefully extracted rectal material, I feel we will briefly kiss 6k. On Tuesday, some of the blood will get cleaned. Just some, though.


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