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Question: Closing BTC Price June 17:
$0 - 2 (1.8%)
<$6,500 - 7 (6.1%)
$6,500-$6,750 - 1 (0.9%)
$6,751-$7,000 - 2 (1.8%)
$7,001-$7,250 - 3 (2.6%)
$7,251-$7,500 - 6 (5.3%)
$7,501-$7,750 - 4 (3.5%)
$7,751-$8,000 - 12 (10.5%)
$8,001-$8,250 - 13 (11.4%)
$8,251-$8,500 - 6 (5.3%)
$8,501-$8,750 - 6 (5.3%)
$8,751-$9,000 - 11 (9.6%)
$9,001,$9,250 - 10 (8.8%)
$9,251-$9,500 - 9 (7.9%)
>$9,500 - 15 (13.2%)
$20,000 - 7 (6.1%)
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April 04, 2018, 04:35:20 AM

Wash trading ... creates an illusion of false value velocity.

FTFY.

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If funds will be directed to somewhere that doesn't have actual value to the economy,

Except funds aren't going anywhere. From right pocket to left pocket of the same entity is not a direction of funds.

I have seen United Bitcoin being wash traded on Quoine with a daily volume of $450k.   When you look at the books, the total value of buy orders until the price went to zero was $1,400.

Would that make the volume higher or lower than bcash?

The BCH/USDT pair volume today on Quione is $4k.  There is no BTC / BCH pair.  

The UBTC / BTC pair is $14k daily volume.  

So UBTC has over triple daily volume than bcash lol on that exchange.
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April 04, 2018, 04:37:34 AM

Who says those arbitrary lines form the correct channel? I doubt so because it reaches infinitely high numbers too fast. What if THESE purple lines are actually the correct channel?

Your channel deviates too much from the adoption S-curve.


This model applies to the growth of entire technologies and not to the price of a single security. Also, even in this model you can see many of the lines that started off fast and then leveled out.
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April 04, 2018, 04:38:28 AM

Bitcoin is a technology not a security. 
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April 04, 2018, 04:40:21 AM

Bitcoin is a technology not a security.  
Trying to choose the best semantic is impossible. You know what I mean. The price of just bitcoin versus the price of the entire blockchain bubble including altcoins, forks, ICOs, private chains, blockchain stocks, futures, mining farms, etc.

Bitcoin Core tokens is not a technology - it is just a single chain.
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Something is happening in Canada. I don't know what it is, but I don't like it.

Hockey?
Rush concert?
Twinkly PM?
Poutine?

Wait I like Poutine...  it's not that one.

Shoulda never left Kansas. Undecided

Leaving Kansas was one of the best things I've done.  What a horrible 6 hours.
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April 04, 2018, 05:07:16 AM

Bitcoin is a technology not a security.  
Trying to choose the best semantic is impossible. You know what I mean. The price of just bitcoin versus the price of the entire blockchain bubble including altcoins, forks, ICOs, private chains, blockchain stocks, futures, mining farms, etc.

Bitcoin Core tokens is not a technology - it is just a single chain.


What the fuck? 

Do you believe that you are adding value by trying to parse bullshit? 

Yeah, of course, you can cluster the whole of crypto-currency into one framework, and then try to act as if bitcoin is ONLY one small part of such framework, but then you are engaging in trolling, purposeful misleading, and talking the corporate mainstream media wishful talk with distractions. 

All of crypto is not some kind of greater concept than bitcoin, even though bitcoin happens to fit into such faulty frameworks...

Likely you are smart enough to know better, but you continuously bat around your creative and deceptive frameworks on a level of the lesser informed trolls... so yeah, I must applaud you for being more sophisticated than the average troll, but in the end you are similar to a Jorge Stolfi..... You, tera dee bearia, happen to assert BTC trading and profit principles, rather than Stolfi's stupid ass attempts at appearances of objectivity to act as if his failure and refusal to invest into bitcoin or any other crypto gave him superior levels of credibility..... and both you and him are full of shit, because both of you seemed intended to engage in spinning attempts to mislead.

Tera dee bearia:  "Bitcoin does not fit into the s-curve adoption graph of various technologies because it is not a technology...and other blah blah blah.."

I am like this, Tera dee bearia, and it hurts:




By the way, I understand that you fight with the whole concept of bitcoin adoption because you seem to constantly want to suggest that there is a considerable degree of bitcoin market saturation - which is also a flawed as fuck assumption when the most likely scenario remains that bitcoin is less than about .5% adoption... so you are floundering with your faulty premises that the bitcoin market is mature..
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April 04, 2018, 05:09:42 AM

Who says those arbitrary lines form the correct channel?

Gentlemen do.

And terabera..I thought you were leaving, again.. Still need to accumulate more cheap coins? How much more time do you think you will need?  Just curious.





Semi relevant data.

Resistance is turning into support. Looking good Bitcoin.
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different times


I remember at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec, the kids were using their hockey sticks to slap the CN canisters back at the pigs.  They could really get those things moving.  It was great.  The cops would lob a few cans over and within seconds they would get them back at like 100MPH and spinning...good times.

edit/ fuck...that was...17 years ago now, no wonder I feel so old
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April 04, 2018, 05:29:53 AM

Do you really believe ...

What I believe is that the Gemini's management has access to a wholehelluvalot more data on this particular situation than you or I would ever hope to have. I'm sure they've modeled the change twelve ways to Sunday, and their modeling shows this to be their high-probability route forward to profit maximization.

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So, you know as well as me, that you were not being genuine in your answer and you were not really grappling with the real question, right?

Not at all. I was pointing out that your monday morning quarterbacking is worthless.
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April 04, 2018, 05:36:36 AM

Im still planning on leaving, but my plans to accumulate certain altcoins were interrupted and im waiting for the next dip. My bitcoin accumulation is over.
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different times


I remember at the Summit of the Americas in Quebec, the kids were using their hockey sticks to slap the CN canisters back at the pigs.  They could really get those things moving.  It was great.  The cops would lob a few cans over and within seconds they would get them back at like 100MPH and spinning...good times.

edit/ fuck...that was...17 years ago now, no wonder I feel so old

Quebec has always been another kettle of fish. Last time I was in Montreal I accidentally joined a protest and got pepper sprayed a little.
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Do you really believe ...

What I believe is that the Gemini's management has access to a wholehelluvalot more data on this particular situation than you or I would ever hope to have. I'm sure they've modeled the change twelve ways to Sunday, and their modeling shows this to be their high-probability route forward to profit maximization.

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So, you know as well as me, that you were not being genuine in your answer and you were not really grappling with the real question, right?

Not at all. I was pointing out that your monday morning quarterbacking is worthless.


This is a discussion forum related to bitcoin/usd market matters, so I doubt that it hurts to bat around ideas related to liquidity of a particular exchange and why they are changing their trading fees, and not everyone is as smart as you about the inter-operations of businesses and the supposed validity and efficaciousness of such business decision making (which I would not describe as Monday morning quarterbacking, because they can do whatever the fuck they want, but what they do has effects on what each of us might decide to do in terms of our own trading strategies or however we use their exchange, if at all.. so your monday morning quarter backing analogy seems completely out of place when some of us are participating in the use of such services).  

So even if you assert that Gemini has good business reasons for what they are doing, it still remains a decent topic to discuss why they may be moving away from the common Joe or if that is their motivation.. You know what they say and their business objectives might not line up, either.  

Surely, I am frustrated by the significance of their fee increases because I already had systems set up to use their services; however, now I am incentivized to use their service a lot less because there seem to be a lot of decent services that charge lower fees, which I would prefer to do... Even you seem to be using GDAX, and that has 0% fees for makers, and you seem to be using that kind of incentive - and what if they raise their fees to 1%, you going to change your behavior and perhaps discuss the situation, no?  

... and, yeah, maybe Gemini is going to be able to maintain sufficient trade volume and liquidity to achieve their various unstated objectives - and you are correct that is a risk that they are likely in better position to assess rather than me (or any of us other outsider dweebs) - however, the fact that they made the increase in their trading fees does not mean that they are either correct in their assumptions and/or goals or that their change will achieve their goals (as you seem to imply that whatever the fuck they do, they are smart and they will be successful in reaching their unstated goals.. .. whatever, this is not exactly about them, when we are talking about ourselves and our decisions about whether to use their services and/or how to change our practices, if we choose to do so.  

It seems presumptuous as fuck for you and your whole tone to unnecessarily dismiss and attempt to negate any fruitfulness in batting around this topic.  

You would rather talk about how Bcash is going to be the next bitcoin, or that bcash is the real bitcoin, as if that were to be some kind of more fruit bearing topic?
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Im still planning on leaving, but my plans to accumulate certain altcoins were interrupted and im waiting for the next dip. My bitcoin accumulation is over.

A new name:  "Tera won't dis-a-pera"    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Bitcoin is a technology not a security.  
Trying to choose the best semantic is impossible. You know what I mean. The price of just bitcoin versus the price of the entire blockchain bubble including altcoins, forks, ICOs, private chains, blockchain stocks, futures, mining farms, etc.

Bitcoin Core tokens is not a technology - it is just a single chain.

I appreciate your point.   I respectfully disagree on the basis that the blockchain ecosystem has a zero value other than Bitcoin which props up the entire shitshow.   This can be seen in the great shitcoin rotation where various coins ascend CMC, peak and then disappear forever.   Others like Doge take numerous runs at the throne only to immediately sink back into obscurity.  A select few such as XRP manage to sustain their existence on the promise of endless commercial pilots or a well planned mix of deliberate brand confusion, technobabble and paid social media campaigns.   The permissioned chains such as Corda are doing so badly that Mike Hearn is threatening to come back to Bitcoin and JP Morgan is spinning out its project and making the founder redundant.  
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Wash trading ... creates an illusion of false value velocity.

FTFY.

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If funds will be directed to somewhere that doesn't have actual value to the economy,

Except funds aren't going anywhere. From right pocket to left pocket of the same entity is not a direction of funds.

I have seen United Bitcoin being wash traded on Quoine with a daily volume of $450k.   When you look at the books, the total value of buy orders until the price went to zero was $1,400.



Would that make the volume higher or lower than bcash?

The BCH/USDT pair volume today on Quione is $4k.  There is no BTC / BCH pair.  

The UBTC / BTC pair is $14k daily volume.  

So UBTC has over triple daily volume than bcash lol on that exchange.



WTF ? Now there´s such a thing as "UBTC" ?
I was happy to claim my BTCP recently. Now all that again ! Do you guys think i have nothing to do in my life ?  Smiley

Please, can i have a fork-list of the forks, which are worth bothering.




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Please, can i have a fork-list of the forks, which are worth bothering.


There is only one worth mentioning .... https://banano.co.in
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There's a first rule of bitcoin, which is to talk about bitcoin, but don't talk about your qty of bitcoin.  

I have not heard of it before, probably I've been hibernating when it was mentioned first. It makes sense, however...

It is a theme that has been repeated in this thread to a decent degree through the years, and comes from fight club...  Wink 

I see, the first rule here is: never talk about the amount of BTC! I have missed it because I was dormant for a very long time. When bears rule, I find their habit of hibernating during (crypto)winter infectious Wink 2017 was very invigorating, but now I have a feeling that going to sleep until 2019 may be a good idea. Maybe I'm wrong, but suspect that while almost everyone is waiting for a new bull season, there will be no bull season. And when almost everyone starts to think that there will be no new rise, a new pump will begin.

On the interwebs, you can get away with revealing a bit more about your BTC (or crypto or fiat) holdings, without punishment, unless you are hacked, of course. 

In the real world, you may be punished more if you reveal too many of those kinds of financial holding(s) details. 

By the way, I have a location in which I have several computers running bitcoin tickers from various angles (usually it is windows of bitcoinity.org and bitcoinwisdom.com), and sometimes if I have a visitor, the computer display triggers us to begin to talk about bitcoin.  Most visitors will not ask too many personal details about my holdings, but some folks will come out with direct questions, like "how many bitcoins do you have?".. hahahahhahahaha...   

When I first got those kinds of personal financial questions, I stumbled a bit or I might have said something that was somewhat responsive, but later I realized that I needed a better and less disclosing response.  These days, I ultimately tell them how ridiculous is their question, and depending on the audience, the way that I say it will vary; however, almost all of them seem to understand that their question was not appropriate.  My most frequently recent response will be to ask them how much gold they have or how much money is in their checking account, and from my counter-question the vast majority will realize the inappropriateness of their question.  There are a few folks who do not get it, and most of them do not have any money in their checking account, so they are not sensitive to revealing their lack of money.    Go figure?  So probably, the more money (in this case bitcoins) you accumulate, the more prudent it will be to convolute your answers, if any, to those kinds of inquiries.

Right. Years ago bitcoin was just an almost useless and valueless curiosity, talking about it was the same as talking about the level of someone's player character in an online RPG (I do not play them, but I hear). Now it is in the same league as gold. I also tent to be cautious. Nobody I know in real life is aware of the fact that I have bitcoins (some may suspect), let alone how much. I had a few talks with my colleagues about crypto, but I never revealed that I have some coins.
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I told only my close relatives and my SO but my SO went and bragged about it to all their friends against my wishes.
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I told only my close relatives and my SO but my SO went and bragged about it to all their friends against my wishes.

Easy ! From now on, just say: Lost it all, boating accident, if necessary . . .

Anyway, when it goes down, they say: "it´s a bubble, sell it all".
When it goes up, they say: "where can i buy some, at 7/11 ? "

The opposite is just fine with me !

I mean, the money has to come from somewhere, No ?

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