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[Arriemoller]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat.  

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

Yup, 6 months here 6 there is pretty ideal. I've been doing perpetual summer for the better part of 20 years and its worked out very well.
Depending on the country, ownership of land or house can get tricky, especially in SE Asia it has a particular set of headaches. I prefer to rent/lease long term in Asia which also gives me the option to pick up and go much easier if needed and own in the countries which I have citizenship.    

Just looked out the window.
I envy your lifestyle.

Haha I see that your neck of the woods is ankle deep in shit.  Disgusting, really.  I was depressed by the 12C and fog here, but now I'm laughing a little.  thanks  

It’s a desolate, godless moonscape, totally uninhabitable. If we had dancing girls they’d be eaten by street-wolves.

Come to Thailand. It won´t be worse than this. If you avoid the girls, you´re home free !
And for half the money !
And you can drive around on a Moped, the whole year. That´s what i´m doing.
I´m blessed. No Joke !

Guys, i really can´t see, why you should end your life in such negative places, pack your things, even your family, and move !

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

[Elwar]

Pattaya for beach life ?
You got to be kidding me ! Where do you come from ? Never mind, just move. From here on, you can´t go wrong 

Well..Koh Lan to be more specific.

[Icygreen]

Here's a live cam of my front yard. Scroll down. https://www.c2skykitecenter.com/
Plenty of sun, exercise, cheap food, english (vinglish) and simple living. 
Speaking of exercise.... look for the orange kite soon.

[pfrtlpfmpf]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat.  

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

Yup, 6 months here 6 there is pretty ideal. I've been doing perpetual summer for the better part of 20 years and its worked out very well.
Depending on the country, ownership of land or house can get tricky, especially in SE Asia it has a particular set of headaches. I prefer to rent/lease long term in Asia which also gives me the option to pick up and go much easier if needed and own in the countries which I have citizenship.    

Just looked out the window.
I envy your lifestyle.

Haha I see that your neck of the woods is ankle deep in shit.  Disgusting, really.  I was depressed by the 12C and fog here, but now I'm laughing a little.  thanks  

It’s a desolate, godless moonscape, totally uninhabitable. If we had dancing girls they’d be eaten by street-wolves.

Come to Thailand. It won´t be worse than this. If you avoid the girls, you´re home free !
And for half the money !
And you can drive around on a Moped, the whole year. That´s what i´m doing.
I´m blessed. No Joke !

Guys, i really can´t see, why you should end your life in such negative places, pack your things, even your family, and move !

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

[realr0ach]

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly.

You just described the most illogical, self destructive system I've ever heard of.  It's as if someone had planned for you to have defacto open borders and white genocide of the native inhabitants.  Oh wait...that was the plan...the Jewish Kalergi plan.

[Elwar]

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

Ya, I have 2 dogs. I was able to get them to Germany but fortunately I have a nice mother who would rather I be able to travel than worry about moving my dogs so she watches them. I would love to bring them with me but they would definitely get the way of my mobility.

[pfrtlpfmpf]

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

Ya, I have 2 dogs. I was able to get them to Germany but fortunately I have a nice mother who would rather I be able to travel than worry about moving my dogs so she watches them. I would love to bring them with me but they would definitely get the way of my mobility.

I would love to have a dog. They are real friends. But decided otherwise. For mobility. But one day . . . !

[Ibian]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat. 

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

I think in Thailand you have to be a citizen to buy...you can lease, which is what most foreigners do. Actually most marry a local and the wife buys the property.

The citizen part was what I was worried about. Seems to be that case everywhere. I know that foreigners can buy property in Japan, but it seems like that is only for commercial purposes (such as renting out). Suppose using family could work though (in case there are no decent countries that allow non-citizens to own property for private use).

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

It's also Sweden.

[pfrtlpfmpf]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat.  

Sounds like a plan, see you at the ski-slope.

I really don´t mind the tax-thing, but i don´t know, how to file I rather shoot myself. Thank god, i´m not american, sorry.

[Rosewater Foundation]

Here's a live cam of my front yard. Scroll down. https://www.c2skykitecenter.com/
Plenty of sun, exercise, cheap food, english (vinglish) and simple living. 
Speaking of exercise.... look for the orange kite soon.

Very cool!

[Rosewater Foundation]

Tone Vays is worth a listen to. He hates the ICO's
https://youtu.be/fODj_TfAEuI?t=20m31s
Edit: this is from 2017 and it's probably been posted already. It's probably a repost. What can I say. Don't expect as much from the night shift.

[demonic098]

There will be a hardfork tomorrow. Do you think the price will pump today?

[HairyMaclairy]

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

Do you even herd cats bro?

There will be a hardfork tomorrow. Do you think the price will pump today?

If we don’t know about it, no one does.  What hardfork?

Nice 36% pump on XVG.  Why can’t I short that shit. 

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

work illegally

something is seriously wrong with any system where work is ever illegal

We're also still plugging away at a tried and failed system,  democracy and capitalism. So ya, things look kinda grim in the forecast while the majority of us either consent to doom or try to find the best loophole to escape cope with it.    

So, what's the alternative to capitalism in your book? Cause I don't see anything wrong with it. It's the only system, if unobstructed, that self-regulates. Everything else is artificially steered by humans, humans that are inherently incapable of seeing the bigger picture of all the interactions in a system as complex as our planet. And so far I haven't even read about anything that comes even remotely close to capitalism.

Democracy on the other hand... is just the opposite extreme of authoritarian regimes and ultimately not much different.

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

I am pretty sure you can game the tax systems by “earning” all your income while offshore or in a tax free jurisdiction  and not staying in any particular Western country for more than 179 days [does not work for US citizens]

So fly to Dubai to cash out your BTC and then go skiing for a couple of months, rinse repeat. 

The problem that I have is specifically with owning property in that kind of situation. I don't want to go from hotel to hotel or Airbnb to Airbnb for the travel part. But if I could just own two houses and have each of them set up as a fully functional base then I would be perfectly happy to just fly over from one to the other every 6 months. Just haven't found anything specific regarding this edge case yet.

I think in Thailand you have to be a citizen to buy...you can lease, which is what most foreigners do. Actually most marry a local and the wife buys the property.

The citizen part was what I was worried about. Seems to be that case everywhere. I know that foreigners can buy property in Japan, but it seems like that is only for commercial purposes (such as renting out). Suppose using family could work though (in case there are no decent countries that allow non-citizens to own property for private use).

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

Great to know, thanks! That leaves me with at least two viable countries to stay in with my own property and at least two more (of interest) in which I can at the very least rent without any hassle. Going to have to get off my lazy ass and hit up some lawyer that specializes in international tax policies sometime.

[Elwar]

Great to know, thanks! That leaves me with at least two viable countries to stay in with my own property and at least two more (of interest) in which I can at the very least rent without any hassle. Going to have to get off my lazy ass and hit up some lawyer that specializes in international tax policies sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_earned_income_exclusion

[BTCMILLIONAIRE]

Great to know, thanks! That leaves me with at least two viable countries to stay in with my own property and at least two more (of interest) in which I can at the very least rent without any hassle. Going to have to get off my lazy ass and hit up some lawyer that specializes in international tax policies sometime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_earned_income_exclusion

That's not an issue from me since I'm not from the US (and certainly would leave if I was despite the exit tax).

[Vlada69]

How's tax day coming along fellow Americans?

[pfrtlpfmpf]

I have three cats, so I'm stuck here. Moving pets around the world is too complicated.

I can´t see, why moving three cats, once it´s done, could hinder me.

Do you even herd cats bro?

There will be a hardfork tomorrow. Do you think the price will pump today?

If we don’t know about it, no one does.  What hardfork?

Nice 36% pump on XVG.  Why can’t I short that shit.  

Do i even herd them ? Good god, gracious, no !  Nothing is farther in my mind  
It didn´t even come to me, that i could "herd" them.

Ok, here´s the disclaimer: If you would stretch out your hand, a cat would move back and forth underneath it. They are wankers. So there you have it.
Dog Lover, no cats in my house, sorry !

[Rosewater Foundation]

Sweden doesn't care about your citizenship, anyone can own property, even people without citizenship. You would have to pay real estate tax, but that tax had a cap of 914 USD last year. And in many cases you pay less, it's adjusted for inflation yearly. And everybody speaks english.

It's also Sweden.

Also being overrun by muslim immigrants that are increasingly incompatible with civilized societies, but the Swedes are so cucked, they're bending over and taking it, while saying "Thank you. Can I have another ?"

I can't believe what's happening over there in Europe.

It's terrifying to me.

Are you terrified, B'awb?